This is NOT GOOD news for Democrats…..
“Kamala Harris will not run governor of California next year, she announced Wednesday, leaving the door open to another White House bid in 2028 as the former vice president considers her political future following her loss to President Donald Trump last fall,” the Washington Post reports.
WTF is she doing this?
Why? because she does not want to be a Governor and may or may not want to run for President.
Why is this bad news for Democrats? Do you think a Republican will win the Governor race there?
California IS gonna have Democrat as its next Governor …….
Stop kidding around…..
She’s gonna run in 2028 again…..
She can only hope that young males will hold their noses a vote for her
I wouldn’t bet on it
Her as the nominee would be a boost for Vance
She has not said she is running in 2028, so you can probably hold off on your fear of political cooties for now.
If she does run and wins the nomination, after a competitive primary this time, that would demonstrate political strength would it not?
I assure you though, whether she is in the field or not, there will be two or more female Democrats running for President in the primaries.
Very few people will agree with you that she lost because she was a woman. She lost because she was Joe Biden’s Vice President. Even fewer people will agree with you that Biden would have beaten Trump in 2024, which renders your entire political judgment very suspect.
“…renders your entire political judgment very suspect.”
You’re being way too nice!
In my view, he has no “ political judgment.”Just a bunch of emotion laden outbursts that reflect no thought or analysis but only how he wants things to be which are repeated over and over and become his reality and the facts be damned!
I can always count on ya Jack……
My View based on polling evidence and historical US Presidential elections IS that America is NOT Ready to elect a woman President….
Heck ?
Hegseth is getting rid of all the woman bosses in the military
Trump got elected as sexual predator …..
Yes ….
Biden did Harris no favors
But SHE LOST
Hillary Clinton LOST….
Democrats are batting 0 for 2….
Will she run?
I place the odds above 50/50
So will every political pundit and pollster going forward….
Love Ya Jack!
I get some wrong
But I sure DO get some right
And I have TONS of company out there
After Bill Clinton did not undergo gender transition after the Mondale and Dukakis losses, but somehow still won, Hillary Clinton still maybe missed her best strategy in 2008, when she should have said that Al Gore and John Kerry clearly lost because they were men and that Democrats should nominate her instead of Obama.
Hillary ran a lousy campaign
I’ve been saying that for years
Hillary won the popular vote for all her flaws. That would suggest America was “ready” for a woman President.
She just decided not to campaign in a few of the swing states because she, and you,and many others thought she had it in the bag. You were not saying she ran a lousy campaign in 2016.
In 2024, as flawed a candidate as Harris was, did at least make a race competitive, whereas Joe Biden, a white guy, would have lost in a landslide to Donald Trump, whether you are willing to admit it or not.
No Vice President, regardless of gender, was going to win an election when the incumbent President had horrible job approval ratings and the VP was unwilling to say they would do anything different.
WOA!?
First of all?
Her pollster told her slippage in the last few weeks
She disregarded the advice
Second?
EVERY FUCKING BODY , including Hillary and Donald where SURPRISED that Trump won
Democrats have a problem with “young males” that goes far beyond Kamala.
But as we saw in the recent CBS poll, young folks, at least the ones that voted MAGA, are fickle and may have already gotten over their youthful radical desires to “stick it to the man” and vote for Trump. He is the system now. Many of them will probably not vote in the midterms.
I think it is 50/50 that Harris runs for President in 2028. That is certainly well below the odds that many of the others run.
It makes total sense though for her to keep this option open now. If Trump/Vance is truly politically toxic then she has the best narrative of having been the one to say, “told you so.”
However, she definitely needs to improve as a candidate in many ways she or whomever emerges needs to find a diplomatic but unmistakable way to unburden themselves from the failed Joe Biden years. That will be somewhat more tricky, but there is no other option.
Is 0-2 that bad? You are obsessed with this ridiculous theory.
Nevertheless?
It fits…..
SERIOUSLY
Democrats NEED to WIN in 2028
Lotta work to be done putting things back together…….
Should they pass a resolution calling on all females to not run for President? You seem willing to say the same about Buttigieg too for that matter for reasons that are not hard to decipher.
They would NOT ofcourse
But the factors ARE there and REAL
On this topic, from a political science perspective, I think if the American electorate was truly not willing to elect a female as President, then Alabama would not have already elected a female Governor. (Kay ivey, not Lurleen Wallace)
The list goes on and on.
South Carolina elected a woman of color as Governor.
In theory, Nikki Haley would have beaten white guy Joe Biden in 2024 by probably winning close to 45 states (as opposed to the 40 Trump probably would have won against Biden I guess)
Silly. No one is winning 40 to 45 state landslides in pur current polarized political environment.
Nope……
Considering Trump won 31 states against Harris, I do not think 40 states would have been out of the question if Biden remained the candidate. Anything that Harris won by 8 points or less would have been at least a Tossup.
After the debate, that is consistent with what Democrats’ polling said. Waves of Harris voters would simply not voted for Biden. I think we were analyzing this at the time when Biden was refusing to drop out and we now know their polling was even worse than the public polling.
I think I theorized Biden would have only carried (besides DC) CA, DE, HI, IL MD, MA, NY, RI, VT, WA- that’s 10 states and that might even be somewhat generous.
Well that’s History …….
The ‘Good Guy ‘ Lost his juice and his actions doomed Harris…..
Democrats NEED to get Congress and the Presidency back to put thinks back together again
Ok……
Harris is now coming out with her book….
‘107 Days’
Sorry. Still think that’s bullshit.
We can hypothesize all we want but the one truth is voters are much more in their camps than they were the last time we had those kind of landslides. Voters left of center would have rallied back to Biden simply because he wasn’t Trump. And if Haley sonehow beat Trump in the primaries MAGA woukd have started a 3rd party.
No one wins 40 to 45 state landslides today.
I think Biden would have performed worse than Harris but only marginally. Probably a 51_47 split in favor of Trump. Similar to the margin Biden won with in 2020.
It’s worth noting that while Harris lost a state that Hillary took in 2016 (Nevada) there were no states that Harris barely won like Hillary’s close calls in MN, NH.
We will never know, but I think you are majorly underestimating just how cooked politically Biden was after the debate. Had he stayed in for 107 additional days, questions about his mental fitness would have been the only issue discussed. There obviously would not have been another debate, such as the one where Harris was seen as having easily gotten the best of Trump.
By becoming the replacement candidate, she was at least somewhat able to change the focus of the campaign.
I do not think Biden would have gotten any more than 38 percent of the vote nationally by Election Day.
There were a few states like NJ, NM, IL that Hillary easily won by double digits that Harris won far more narrowly. New Hampshire was a two point race in 2024, which was very close. Biden would have done worse. Overall, 2024 was much worse for Democrats than 20216.
I meant to type NY instead of NM. New Mexico in 2016 had the factor of Gary Johnson being on the ballot for President. The third party vote all around was much higher in 2016.
Hillary won California by 30 points in 2016. In 2024, Harris’s margin (in her home state) was down to 20.
Heck a LOT of Western Democracies have had Woman leaders.,,,,
UK
ISRAEL
GERMANY
MEXICO
AUSTRIA
The list IS Long
But NOT America
Lots of US Governor ‘s though and Mayor’s
Ok…….
I need to step back a bit
Harris does NOT HAVE TO be the nominee
This whole conversation leads me back to redistricting talks about Texas, California and New York maybe to secure the electoral vote….
France (prime minister)
Italy
Scandinavia
New Zealand
Brazil
Argentina
Chile
The Philippines
Burma (Myanmar)
India
Bangladesh
Liberia…
Canada
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Thanks DSD……
Kinda embarrassing
Chris Clilliza agree’s with me….
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I think Kamala Harris made a BIG mistake in deciding not to run for governor in 2026.
Because I think that she thinks she is running for president in 2028.
But here’s the thing: Kamala Harris was not and is not a particularly gifted candidate.
She has always been overly cautious as a candidate. Her campaign organization is less than impressive. She never seems sure whether she is a liberal or a moderate or something else.
Given all of that, it seems to me that Harris would have been far better off running for governor in California, a heavily Democratic state where her name ID (and fundraising) advantages would have likely proven prohibitive.
A third run for president? Count me very skeptical that there is a new Harris waiting to emerge in 2028 who has shed the problems that have dogged the few competitive races she has run in her political career.
If Biden was held to 38% of the popular vote and without a serious 3rd party candidate that means Trump would have gotten close to 60% of the vote.
You and Jack rip on Janes daily but this is one of the dumbest theories I’ve seen on here.
Might as well say Trump would have taken 80% and Bidens own family wouldn’t have voted for him.
Hed, he, he…..
I KNOW Scott….
ACTUALLY?
Trump’s margin of victory was ONLY 1.5%….
But the EC vote was disproportionally 312 to 226
Trump would have gotten about 57 or 58. A lot more of the D vote would have gone to Jill Stein or some other kind of write-in, but mostly, a TON of Democrats would have just stayed home or left the top of the ballot blank.
So, the overall electorate, would have been a good deal smaller, but sizeably more pro-Trump.
I am merely suggesting that Biden would have gotten about what his job approval numbers were, or probably just a bit higher.. That seems like that winds up happening for any incumbent running for reelection.
Maybe jack or DSD can offer their thoughts on this hypothetical, but I just think there are some people who just not realize how bad it was for Biden after the debate, how worse it got for the month after the debate, and how it would have only gotten worse and worse with each passing week. There is no way he would have been able to vigorously campaign around the country and every step he took and every word he uttered would have been even more scrutinized. It would have been a foregone conclusion that Biden was going to lose and lose big and casual voters never want to vote for a loser.
Yes, there are plenty of partisans/tribalists that would vote for an actual corpse as long as it had a D or an R next to its name, but all of those people combined are still probably only half the country. There are still many others out there.
Damn CG?
The last part IS COLD…..
Ole Joe IS still around….
Yes….His Debate performance WAS the end….
But?
I’d take him TODAY for Trump….
It’s a figure of speech.
FWIW, there was a poll after the election that showed just 41 percent of RV said they would have voted for Biden. I think it would it would have been lower among actual voters in that scenario and this is after Biden had no longer been the subject of as much intense scrutiny over his health.
Let us also not forget the factor that while Harris was able to raise massive gobs of money in those 10o days (ultimately misspent or wasted apparently), major Democrat donors were already saying they would not spend a dime as long as Biden remained on the ballot. That is a big part of why he ultimately dropped out. Facing that sort of campaign finance crisis, the entire party would have been in far worse shape.
And nope….
He was slow to realise his performance was the end of the line….
His history in public service was over….
Tough one to accept….
Especially against Trump of all people….
Kamala Harris To Publish ‘107 Days,’ a Memoir About the 2024 Campaign
The former vice president has written a book about her run for the White House.
It will come out next month.
Maybe if she is honest about what she was up against from the Biden Family/loyalists and how it prevented her from running her best possible race, it will be the start of a political re-brand.