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It’s November the 5th…We STILL do Not have a President picked….Open Thread…

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But we’re about to get a 2020 Presidential race winner….

News organizations have declared or projected winners in most states, but several battleground states that could decide the election have not been called. Networks had said they planned to be more cautious than in past elections.

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Electoral votes

270 to win
 Trump 214 213 214 213 214 214 214 214 214
Biden 253 253 253 253 264 253 264 243 253
Not called 71 72 71 72 60 71 60 81 71

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For the  AP and Fox numbers?

The two outfits give Arizona to Biden, where others do NOT…..

Joe Biden would JUST have to win Nevada to clinch 270 Electoral Votes and be declared the 2020/46th US President….Biden IS about to make Donald Trump a one term President….

(Some pundits think giving Arizona to Biden right now is too early….They want to wait for a Biden Pennsylvania lead.…)

Could this call happen midday ?

Oh, A down Donald Trump has been reduced to turning to his lawyers as things become evident of his faith in this election.

Dave Wasserman
@Redistrict
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  2. Good Morning People….

    Hopefully by the end of the day we can have a confirmation of a Biden Presidency come January….

    • Biden will probably be ahead in Pa. by the end of the day and with Mev by noon should have 270+

                    • Taegan Goddard Retweeted

                      Ben Smith
                      @benyt
                      So Fox has a very tricky decision to make: Call NV and the election, based on that early AZ call, and escalate war with Trump; or wait for someone else to call based on PA and follow that. (It’s all an artifact of TV’s bizarrely oversized role here ofc.)

                    • Abby D. Phillip
                      @abbydphillip
                      Alright, PA Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar says it’s likely we could know by TODAY the winner in the state of PA. The outstanding 550K +/- votes are being counted today.

                    • Trump campaign’s longshot legal challenges unlikely to swing election, analysts say

                      The series of lawsuits the Trump campaign has announced in multiple states amount to longshot legal arguments focusing on thin claims or affecting such a small portion of votes that they wouldn’t decide the presidential election, several legal analysts say.

                      The lawsuits have often tackled issues that would be relatively inconsequential to the vote results, such as asking for expanding access to observers already allowed to monitor ballot processing, or challenging a very small number of votes in which voters who sent in absentee ballots with defects were contacted ahead of time….

                      More…

                    • In surveying the twitter world and the media and AP?

                      I’d say they are ALL standing around waiting to see who has the ball’s to call the election for Joe Biden….

                      With Fox and AP at 264 and Nevada with a growing lead for Biden and Pa strongly looks good for Biden?

                      We KNOW Biden IS probably AT 270 right now…..

                      The Trump people KNOW this , hence the vain tries to get judges to save their guy….

                    • ok i get it….
                      maybe ?

                      even though AP and FOX have their total’s at 264?

                      they will discount Ariz and use the 254 figure everyone else has?

                      or?

                      they want a end count in Ariz and Nev?

          • Nevada reports 12k MORE votes for Biden….

            Pa Supreme’s rule Trump people can watch the count….

              • You have to admit that for any candidate, this is the most painful way possible to watch an election be lost.

                Political death by a thousand cuts slowly slowly slowy unfolding…

                And no candidate has ever deserved it more.

          • Hold ur horses‼️

            Chelsea Koebler

            UPDATE: PA Supreme Court Spokesperson says, “There is no filing in the Pa Supreme Court and the Court has NOT overruled any action by the Commonwealth Court. Again, the PA Supreme Court has NOT taken any actions on any Commonwealth Court case nor do they have any pending filings”

              • Nate Cohn

                Additionally, Clark County (Las Vegas) appears to hold a disproportionate share of what’s left. That would be good news for Biden, even if the remaining vote methods (late mail, provisional) weren’t likely to his advantage

  3. On “The View” this morning, one of the liberal panelists is angry beyond belief by the election and acting like Trump won. She keeps saying that 50% of the country voted for him. That is not the case.

    People need to understand why those who voted for Donald Trump did and Democrats and the Left still have some lessons to learn. Hopefully, Biden understands this as he claimed many times in the campaign that he wants to bring us together as a nation and he wants to work just as hard for those who did not vote for him than those who did. Others seem to want to point fingers and impugn. That’s not going to get us anywhere.

    It should also be pointed out that beating an incumbent President is no small feat. The last elected incumbent President to lose a two-way race was Hoover.

  4. Comment on HHR- this coming from a guy who refused to support Trump in 2016 and called him every name in the book. He “left” the Republican Party after Trump won, because it no longer was the party he recognized, but yet he has defended Trump on everything since. The brainwashing has been powerful. Please note though that he is saying he is through as a voter and will be happier in life without politics, so if there is hope for the GOP, it is going to be without people like this anyway:

    “Let me be the first to announce I will support Don Jr. for President in 2024.

    No, he won’t win. And no, I won’t campaign, or donate or even vote for him.

    But if Rs want to keep Trump’s coalition alive, he is the only one remotely capable of doing it.

    You guys want a fighter, right? Well you won’t get one in Nikki Haley or Rubio or even DeSantis. They will play nice and get squashed by the party that plays to win.

    Go with Don Jr., he will fight. And lose going down fighting.”

    • Emma Kinery
      @EmmaKinery
      JUST IN: Nevada’s Secretary of State says there are approximately 190,150 ballots left to count, 90% of which are from heavily-Democratic Clark County. h/t
      @StevenTDennis

    • And as to be expected of course, the Trump supporters there have turned on each other with vicious and toxic rancor.

      As much as I am tempted to want to gloat, I dare not wade into that cesspool yet. They need their “space to destroy” and to go through all the phases of grief.

  5. I love CG’s characterization, death by a thousand cuts…well he gets what he deserves, cause that is what his presidency has felt like for all of us.

    • His point about the progressives is CORRECT…..

      I know he voted for Biden but down ballot probably came back to the GOPer’s….

      If Dem’s lose both Georgia US Senate runoff races ?

      It will affect Biden’s cabinet and legislation and judge picks…

      • I skipped the Senate race on my ballot and voted for a Democrat over a Libertarian for the U.S. House.

        Voted Republican at the county level because of course here in Cook County, the generations long one party rule of the Democrats is corrupt as hell.

          • Nate Cohn
            @Nate_Cohn
            Replying to
            @Nate_Cohn
            Biden’s going to get like 85% of the remaining absentees.
            Also, there are going to be *a lot* of *very* Democratic provisional ballots. We’re very lucky that we’re not going to have to wait for them, in all likelihood
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            Whoa Chris
            @Whoa_Chris
            · 6m
            Replying to @Nate_Cohn and @NYTnickc
            Conjecture….
            There are just over 326,000 mail-in ballots in PA left to count. If they break for Biden at a rate around 69%, the final numbers in PA could look like this:
            Biden: 3,406,921
            Trump: 3,361,222
            A Biden lead of 45,000 ish.

            • Pa. call could come tonight….

              If these guys are right Biden could have Pennsylvania by 100K

              Would get Biden to 285….

              With Ga and NC still available to him…

              • Trump made a speech….

                I don’t give a shit….

                He ain’t gonna be President in 76 days…..

                  • David Lauter
                    @DavidLauter
                    The silence of GOP elected officials and Fox is very telling. Everyone, including probably Trump, knows it’s just a matter of time.
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                    Matt Pearce Eagle
                    @mattdpearce
                    “We have not seen the hard evidence,” Fox anchor Bret Baier says of Trump’s fraud claims, noting that Trump’s lead and his presidency is evaporating.

                    (Trump has lost Fox….)

                    • POLITICO
                      @politico
                      ·
                      Pennsylvania’s vote-counting is creeping along and Donald Trump’s lead over Joe Biden continues to shrink.

                      It’s now down to about 64,000 votes, or just under 1 percentage point. But there are roughly 326,000 outstanding mail ballots left to be counted

                    • FiveThirtyEight
                      @FiveThirtyEight
                      The contest for Arizona just got closer.

                      Approximately 75,000 vote just came in from Maricopa County. Trump won 56% of that batch to Biden’s 42%.

                      Biden’s statewide lead is now at 1.6 points, or about 36,000 votes.

                      bill & ted
                      @FibbyYoung
                      Replying to
                      @FiveThirtyEight
                      Rest of the outstanding ballots are from Democrats mail in

                    • Silver changes his numbers by 10 K to Biden…….

                      FiveThirtyEight
                      @FiveThirtyEight
                      The contest for Arizona just got closer.

                      Approximately 75,000 vote just came in from Maricopa County. Trump won 56% of that batch to Biden’s 42%.

                      Biden’s statewide lead is now at 1.6 points, or about 46,000 votes.

                    • For Trump this is the political equivalent of passing a kidney stone while knowing that relief will not come after.

                      Could not be happening to a nicer guy.

                    • Meanwhile, here in Illinois, the chickens coming home to roost when aftet a very disappointing election, leading Democrats such as Gov. Pritzker and Sen. Durbin are calling on Speaker and State Party Chair Michael J, Madigan, who remains under federal investigation, to step down from party leadership….

                      If Trump and Madigan both go the same week, I don’t know if I can take it!

                    • I hope Trump comes within 1 vote in Arizona. The state is academic at this point anyway, but I want to get as many correct predictions as possible.

                      Losing Arizona by 1 vote will forever haunt him with images of John McCain’s thumbs down.

                    • Duckworth is also calling on Madigan to step down in Illinois.

                      Trump will leave voluntarily before Madigan will.

  6. One can be charitable and hope that Trump somehow can pull ahead in Arizona (“where they are finding votes after Election Day”) because he is not going to win Nevada, Georgia, or Pennsylvania.

    His lead in PA is must like what he once claimed about the Coronavirus

    “One day it’s just going to go away. It’s just going to disappear.”

  7. CG, everything you have said in this stream sums up this election…we have all said it before, this election was about Donald Trump…Not Corona, Not Biden, Not the Economy, but Donald Trump…of course his handling of those issues mattered and influenced people, but this election, the last four years has all been about this one guy…so if he loses, he loses bigger than any president in history…he loses as an incumbent, and he loses because the election was about him…he will be the biggest loser in history and I hope they put that on his head stone….

  8. Fox has taken the lead form Trump and is now in full Denounce mode…I haven’t heard that from them until after the President spoke, and they say the media is Joe Biden’s Apologist…Kettle calling the Pot black…hmmm

    • Those are just their Prime Time voices. They are there for a reason.

      Fox News has called the actual election coverage very fairly and has been more generous to Biden in making calls than anywhere else.

      They should have called another state and made Hannity announce it though.

        • Biden is about to gain the lead in Georgia…..

          Dave Wasserman
          @Redistrict
          Trump’s lead in GA now down to less than 1,800 votes. There’s no realistic way 5.7k more Clayton Co. ballots *wouldn’t* put Biden ahead, and they’d probably put him ahead by more than 2k.

              • Carl Zimmer
                @carlzimmer
                MSNBC is reporting that PA Democrats are predicting that Biden will overtake Trump between 4 and 5 am ET.
                9:52 PM · Nov 5, 2020·TweetDeck

                    • They may not be able to “call” Georgia until the deadline for military ballots, etc.

                      Pennsylvania or Nevada may be called sometime on Friday. Of course ,legal action by Trump is being threatened everywhere.

                      The Inauguration is still on for 1/20. No real urgency here on the “call.”

                      Watching Trump slowly twist is fun.

                    • The EC meets on Dec 14….

                      Congress technically accepts the tally a week later I believe….

                      The race WILL BE CALLED probably in less than 12 hours….

                      And YES….

                      The sooner the call?

                      The sooner the Biden admin gets transition money and access to the government now in President Trump’s hands….

                      You voted for Biden CG….

                      Don’t back away from the reality of what you ‘said’ here u wanted….

                      Biden has a YUGE job ahead of him….

                    • It’s January when Congress does its thing technically. Pence will have to be the one to announce it of course.

                      This will be decided by the time the EC meets.

                      But let’s not think it is crucial for this to “end” tomorrow. Let’s just count all the votes and make sure it’s all good.

                • Twitter world thinks Biden will pass Trump in Georgia about the same time as Pa in the middle of the night….

                  • They are moving ahead with the transition. I don’t think money is the issue. The defeated side in 2000 sure didn’t care how long it took before the transition got the money.

                    I wanted them to call the Election on Tuesday night of course, but there are several states that wound up very close and the votes still need to be counted.

                    And again, watching Trump have to twist in the wind is enjoyable.

                    I don’t think Bidens team or the Democrats are the least bit “worried.” (Mitch McConnell as Majority Leader is what they should be upset about, but there are a lot of factors that happened)

                    • James Carville is suggesting the Democrats may still take Alaska at the Presidential and Senate level.

                      I don’t know about that. Best not to be too greedy and America might not be ready for a Senator Gross.

                    • Carville admits he’s VERY positive ….

                      Alaska HAS been off the grid in the media…

                      Getting a Senator would mean only one would be needed in Georgia….

  10. What is actually a great point is that no one in trump world is complaining about how long it is taking California to tabulate its vote or Alaska…two states that the outcome was pre-determine…in cali it is just how badly did he get spanked and how much does that add to the popular vote of Joe Biden…I hope cali did a good job with the census they need more electoral votes…

    • Four years ago, Michigan and Arizona were not called for Trump until days after the election. He didn’t seem to reject those votes then.

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