The Ukraine President CANNOT accept the Trump/Putin plan as it is….
Putin may NOT either ISW reports below….
My review of the plan finds a BOAT load of problem’s for Ukraine…
- NATO will NOT expand further
- Reliable Security Guarantee’s?
- Limiting Ukraine military size…No Mention of Russian limits?
- Ukraine NO NATO by NATO Law?
- NATO agree to NOT station its troops in Ukraine
- US to get paid protection money?
- Russia back into the political world
- US gets %50 from Ukraine US Ukraine building assets
- Ukraine NON-Nuclear state
- Crimea, Donetsk and Crimea stay in Russian hands
- Kherson and Zaporizhzhia battle lines frozen
- Any Donetsk area Ukraine currently held…Goes to Russia
- Ukraine forced by agreement to hold elections in 100 days
- Full amnesty for Russian’s
This ‘Peace Plan’ by Trump Admin and Putin is simply a surrender by Ukraine if signed….
(Below in Daily Kos report…it is pointed out some ‘Deal ‘wording is straight from Russian language)
It IS TROUBLE for Ukraine AND Europe that Putin IS already flying drones over….
This dog does NOT see how Zelensky and Ukraine can sign off on this 28 point plan as it is currently written….
And?
True to Trump’s method of operating?
He’s talking about a Ukraine signing before Thanksgiving …Less than a Week away….
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The Ukraine President addresses his people on the ‘Deal’
President Volodymyr Zelensky addressed the Ukrainian people on Friday and said President Trump’s 28-point peace plan will force Ukraine to choose between “losing our dignity” or risking the loss of U.S. support.
Why it matters: The plan would force Ukraine to accept harsh concessions, including the loss of even more territory than Russia currently controls. Zelensky has told the Trump administration he’s prepared to negotiate, but the White House is pushing him to sign within one week.
What he’s saying: “This is one of the most difficult moments in our history,” Zelensky said in his video address, according to translations published by multiple media outlets.
- “The pressure on Ukraine is now among the heaviest. Ukraine may now face a very difficult choice: the loss of dignity, or the risk of losing a key partner.”
- Zelensky warned that Ukraine faces an “extremely harsh winter” if he spurns Trump’s offer.
- He said U.S. officials “expect an answer from us.”
Between the lines: Given his claim that accepting the current deal would force Ukraine to accept “life without freedom, without dignity, without justice,” it doesn’t sound as though his answer can possibly be yes.
- However, he said he would work with the U.S. to find solutions: “I will provide arguments, I will persuade, propose alternatives.”
- Zelensky made clear he will be leaning heavily on European support as he comes under intense pressure from the US.
Driving the news: Zelensky spoke by phone on Friday with the leaders of France, Germany and the U.K., all of whom are helping Ukraine shape its response to the U.S. plan and come up with alternative proposals.
- “We remember Europe was with us. We believe Europe will be with us,” Zelensky said in his speech….
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The intrigue: The showdown with Trump comes as a spiraling corruption scandal implicating some of his close associates piles political pressure on Zelensky.
- A U.S. official told Axios the domestic scandal could make Zelensky more willing to make difficult concessions for peace. Some analysts think the opposite — that the uncertainty surrounding his political future means he can’t afford to be seen as selling out to Moscow.
- In his speech, Zelensky appealed for unity and for Ukrainians to focus on the threat from Russia….
- Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to indicate that his demands have not fundamentally changed since the August 2025 Alaska summit.
- Reported Russian government insiders also indicated that the Kremlin does not support the proposed 28-point peace plan.
- Russian officials are setting informational conditions to reject the 28-point peace plan, which acquiesces to many — but not all — of Russia’s persistent war demands.
- The Kremlin has thus far failed to set conditions for the Russian people to accept anything less than a full Russian victory in Ukraine.
- The Kremlin has similarly rejected US-proposed ceasefires and negotiations in recent months, while Ukraine has consistently shown a willingness to engage and compromise.
- The proposed peace plan would not bring Russia and Ukraine closer to a just and lasting peace but would set conditions for renewed Russian aggression against Ukraine in the future.
- Putin and Russian military commanders continue to promote the false narrative that a Russian victory is inevitable in order to push Ukraine and the West into acquiescing to Russian demands.
- Russian milbloggers and Ukrainian officials both refuted many of the Russian commanders’ claimed successes.
- Russia’s battlefield successes are not inevitable, and the Kremlin is intensifying efforts to aggrandize recent Russian military activity to advocate that Ukraine surrender terrain in Donetsk Oblast that Russian forces are unlikely to actually seize.
- Ukrainian forces continue to counterattack in the Pokrovsk direction, where the situation remains serious and dynamic.
- Russian military command appears to be redeploying relatively elite forces to the Pokrovsk direction, likely in response to the slowed rate of Russian advances.
- Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Pokrovsk. Russian forces recently advanced in the Kostyantynivka-Druzhkivka tactical area.
The White House is pressuring Ukraine to sign on to its new peace proposal by Thanksgiving or lose U.S. support to the country in its war with Russia, according to five people familiar with the talks….
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The U.S. is now sending “signals” that everything could be off the table if Kyiv does not quickly sign a proposal, two officials said, even as Driscoll took a lighter tone in Thursday’s meeting. The two officials, like others quoted in this story, all spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive diplomatic discussions…
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The plan is “pure Russian,” a senior European diplomat added, confirming the Thanksgiving deadline and threat to cut support. European leaders plan to meet Saturday on the sidelines of a Group of 20 meeting in Johannesburg to put together a counterproposal that they believe will be more favorable to Ukraine.
For now, however, there is only one working proposal, which is Witkoff’s, one of the officials said — and no separate European plan…
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Zelensky requested changes to the document Thursday and Driscoll’s team agreed some changes could be made, one of the officials said, although Kyiv remains unclear on which points will be adjustable.
The document would initially be signed by Zelensky and Trump before being presented to the Russians.
The U.S. appears to have divided the teams between Witkoff and Driscoll to “play good cop and bad cop — one presses, the other tries to say: Let’s work together to change [the plan],” one of the officials said…
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Ukraine has long insisted its best security guarantee is its own military, which should not be reduced to accommodate Russian demands.
In addition, the proposed settlement would bar the presence of any NATO troops on Ukrainian soil, effectively nixing European proposals to send troops to deter Russia from attacking again.
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One person familiar with the contents of the plan said it would require months of painstaking negotiations to bring it to a format that could be acceptable to Ukraine. “Even if Zelensky wanted to sign it, he couldn’t because there is no political basis for it,” this person said. “There are many nonstarters there. Clearly this is a pro-Russian deal that was written by Dmitriev and Witkoff.”
The person added: “It is very similar to the minerals deal,” referring to the economic partnership agreement between Ukraine and the U.S. granting Washington preferential access to future Ukrainian minerals deals. “We modified it for three months” before it was signed. “But this deal is between the U.S., Ukraine, Russia and Europe so I think it will be more like 12 months to negotiate. I think this is the beginning of the peace process, not the end.”…
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In addition, the Kremlin has yet to signal its backing for the plan. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov on Friday said that Moscow had not received any new peace proposals, and he added that Russia and the U.S. had made “virtually no progress” on issues that are “irritants” in bilateral relations….
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Zelensky has been weakened in recent weeks by a major corruption scandal that has ensnared several of his close associates, and which — coupled with the exhausting pace of Russian military strikes and slow advances on the ground — could leave the Ukrainian leader with diminishing options as U.S. officials exert greater pressure on him to accept a deal to end the war….
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Vladimir Putin says Ukraine is being unrealistic if it does not accept the US plan to end the war, declaring: “Ukraine is against it. Apparently, Ukraine and its European allies are still under illusions and dream of inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia on the battlefield”. The positive response from the Russian president adds weight to the views of European and Ukrainian officials that the deal amounts to a “capitulation”. Addressing Russia’s national security council, Putin called the 28-point plan “a new version” and “a modernised plan” of what was discussed with the US ahead of his Alaska summit with Donald Trump in August, and said Moscow has received it. Putin said the plan “could form the basis of a final peace settlement”.
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Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reacted to the deal by saying Ukraine faces one of the most difficult moments in its history. Luke Harding, Pjotr Sauer, and Andrew Roth report that Donald Trump has demanded Kyiv acceptsthe plan by Thursday. Agreeing to the US-Russian plan, which would force it to give up territory and make other painful concessions, could leave Ukraine “without freedom, dignity and justice”, Zelenskyy said in a sombre 10-minute speech outside the presidential palace. In a radio interview, Trump said he thought Thursday was an “appropriate time” for Zelenskyy to sign the deal.
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US vice president JD Vance has said any plan to end the war should preserve Ukrainian sovereignty and be acceptable to both countries but that it was a “fantasy” to think Ukraine could win if the US just gave Kyiv more money or weapons or imposed more Russian sanctions.
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Zelenskyy has signalled Ukraine must confront the possibility of losing US support if it makes a stand. Sounding out his European allies, Zelenskyy spoke on Friday by phone to the leaders of Germany, France and the UK. German chancellor Friedrich Merz, French president Emmanuel Macron and British prime minister Keir Starmer assured Zelenskyy of “their unchanged and full support on the way to a lasting and just peace” in Ukraine, Merz’s office said. They reaffirmed their support for Kyiv and said any agreement to end the conflict had to be genuinely fair and take into account Ukraine’s own red lines.
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EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas has warned that how the Ukraine war ends matters. She said: “Russia’s war against Ukraine is an existential threat to Europe. We all want this war to end. But how it ends matters. Russia has no legal right whatsoever to any concessions from the country it invaded. Ultimately, the terms of any agreement are for Ukraine to decide.” In a radio interview on Friday, Trump pushed back against the notion that the settlement would embolden Putin to carry out further actions against his European neighbours. “He’s not thinking of more war,” Trump said of Putin. “He’s thinking punishment. Say what you want. I mean, this was supposed to be a one-day war that has been four years now.”
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The Trump administration has told Ukrainian and European officials there is little room to negotiate on its plan to end Russia’s war, the Financial Times (paywall) reports. The paper reported “a volatile meeting” between US army secretary Daniel Driscoll and European ambassadors and western officials late on Friday. “We are not negotiating details,” Driscoll said, according to a senior European official present at the meeting. Another described the tone of the meeting as “nauseating”, the paper reported.
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Poland’s ambassador to South Korea on Friday voiced “great concerns” over North Korea’s involvement in Russia’s war against Ukraine, according to reports. “Security between the Korean Peninsula, central Europe and the so-called eastern flank has become intertwined. We are crystal clear that the DPRK’s involvement in the brutal war and aggression against Ukraine is a source of great concerns to us,” ambassador Bartosz Wisniewski said. Hundreds of North Korean troops have been killed in the conflict, as reported previously by the Guardian….
Daily Kos grunt Report for Today…
Donal Trump=Russian asset
Indeed….
It WOULD seem so
Neville Chamberlain, I’ve read, did great work on expanding housing (“Homes Fit for Heroes”) as Minister of Health in the 1920’s.
Donald Trump agrees with Zohran Mamdani about increasing the supply of affordable housing in New York.
But that doesn’t stop Trump from also resembling Chamberlain (with Daladier) at Munich in 1938: Replacing strong, vitally-necessary military support for a small democracy against a giant dictatorship with some feeble (and in the event, futile) guarantees of good behaviour.
Well?…..
Of COURSE he ‘Belives’ in ‘Housing’ ?
Just NOT for certain people..
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Inside the government’s racial bias case against Donald Trump’s company, and how he fought it
…In October 1973, the Justice Department filed a civil rights case that accused the Trump firm, whose complexes contained 14,000 apartments, of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968.
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The case, one of the biggest federal housing discrimination suits to be brought during that time, put a spotlight on the family empire led by its 27-year-old president, Donald Trump, and his father, Fred Trump, the chairman, who had begun building houses and apartments in the 1930s. The younger Trump demonstrated the brash, combative style that would make him famous, holding forth at a news conference in a Manhattan hotel to decry the government’s arguments as “such outrageous lies.” He would also say that the company wanted to avoid renting apartments to welfare recipients of any color but never discriminated based on race.
The Trumps retained Roy Cohn, a defense attorney who two decades earlier had been a top aide to Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) during his infamous effort to root out communists in government…
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and this…
Trump’s Slumlord Administration Is Gutting the Fair Housing Act
…. An explosive report from The New York Times reveals that the Trump administration has been quietly gutting enforcement of the Fair Housing Act. Whistleblowers from the Department of Housing and Urban Development report that Trump’s political appointees have made it “nearly impossible for them to do their jobs” of investigating violations of the FHA, and prosecuting racists.
The numbers back up the whistleblowers’ claims. The Times reports that HUD has seen a 65 percent reduction in staff since Trump retook office. Lawyers have been cut from 22 to six. And charges of discrimination coming from HUD, which used to average around 35 per year, are down to four.
I suppose you don’t need to order your administration to ignore the Fair Housing Act if all your hatchet men already know what to do….
More…
You think Republicans give a damn about that?
Hahaha!
No they Don’t….
But it IS a FACT of Donald’s history….
Tom Friedman in The New York Times compares Trump to Neville Chamberlain at Munich
Finally, finally, President Trump just might get a peace prize that would secure his place in history. Unfortunately, though, it is not that Nobel peace prize he so covets. It is the “Neville Chamberlain Peace Prize” — awarded by history to the leader of the country that most flagrantly sells out its allies and its values to an aggressive dictator.
This prize richly deserves to be shared by Trump’s many “secretaries of state” — Steve Witkoff, Marco Rubio and Dan Driscoll — who together negotiated the surrender of Ukraine to Vladimir Putin’s demands without consulting Ukraine or our European allies in advance — and then told Ukraine it had to accept the plan by Thanksgiving.
That is this coming Thursday.
If Ukraine is, indeed, forced to surrender to the specific terms of this “deal” by then, Thanksgiving will no longer be an American holiday. It will become a Russian holiday. It will become a day of thanks that victory in Putin’s savage and misbegotten war against Ukraine’s people, which has been an utter failure — morally, militarily, diplomatically and economically — was delivered to Russia not by the superiority of its arms or the virtue of its claims, but by an American administration.
How do you say “Thanksgiving” in Russian?
To all the gentlemen who delivered this turkey to Moscow, I can offer only one piece of advice: Be under no illusions. Neither Fox News nor the White House spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt will be writing the history of this deal. If you force it upon Ukraine as it is, every one of your names will live in infamy alongside that of Chamberlain, who is remembered today for only one thing:
He was the British prime minister who advocated the policy of appeasement, which aimed to avoid war with Adolf Hitler’s Germany by giving in to his demands. This was concretized in the 1938 Munich Agreement, in which Chamberlain, along with others in Europe, allowed Germany to annex parts of Czechoslovakia. Chamberlain boasted it would secure “peace for our time.” A year later, Poland was invaded, starting World War II and leading to Chamberlain’s resignation — and his everlasting shame.
This Trump plan, if implemented, will do the modern equivalent. By rewarding Putin’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine based on his obsession with making it part of Mother Russia, the U.S. will be putting the whole European Union under Putin’s thumb. Trump’s message to our allies will be clear: Don’t provoke Putin, because as long as I am commander in chief, the United States will pay no price and we will bear no burden in the defense of your freedom….
I do NOT think this Trump ‘Plan’ (Surrender) as it has been proposed, has a chance of surviving in its present form….
Hey DSD?
Quote of the Day
“I think it would go down, frankly, as a historically bad deal, rivaling Neville Chamberlain giving in to Hitler before World War II.”
— Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA), on Fox News, on President Trump’s proposed peace deal for Ukraine.