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Yes….Donald Trump IS worried about going to Jail….Open Thread for 9/20/23….

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Rolling Stone take’s the cover off something that HAS to be on the ex-President’s mind …..

Actually Going to Jail…..

I don’t care how busy he seems to be with his political actions….

Donald J. Trump IS a human like Everyone Else….

He worries about losing his freedom….

IN THE PAST several months, Donald Trump has had a burning question for some of his confidants and attorneys:

Would the authorities make him wear “one of those jumpsuits” in prison?

As the criminal cases against him have piled up, the former president and 2024 GOP frontrunner has wondered aloud in recent months about what life would be like if he’s convicted, and if appeals fail. While Trump publicly professes confidence, privately, three sources familiar with his comments say, he’s been asking lawyers and other people close to him what a prison sentence would look like for a former American president.

Would he be sent to a “club fed” style prison — a place that’s relatively comfortable, as far these things go — or a “bad” prison? Would he serve out a sentence in a plush home confinement? Would government officials try to strip him of his lifetime Secret Service protections? What would they make him wear, if his enemies actually did ever get him in a cell — an unprecedented set of consequences for a former leader of the free world.

What would happen — including in the Fulton County, Georgia criminal case against him and various co-defendants — if he were convicted and sentenced, but also re-elected?

The private questions are a departure from the air of supreme confidence invincibility Trump has projected. In interviews and elsewhere, he has claimed that the thought of losing in court and going to prison simply cannot enter his mind.

“I don’t even think about it,” Trump told NBC’s Kristen Welker during an interview last week. “I’m built a little differently I guess.”…

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Even before he faced criminal charges, Trump showed at least a distant concern about looming criminal liability. As Rolling Stone reported in 2022, the former president told associates that he was looking forward to running for president again at least in part because the office would afford him at least temporary immunity from prosecution. He and his legal team have also grasped at exotic legal theories in seemingly desperate attempts to shut down the cases against him in Fulton County and New York City.

Experts say that, in the event of a conviction, Trump would still be entitled to Secret Service protection for the rest of his life. But the answers to many of his other questions — like where he’d have to serve a sentence and under what conditions — would vary based on whether he’s convicted and on which charges…

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    • 2nd tier gaining on Trump in NH….

      CNN/UNH New Hampshire GOP WH poll:

      Trump 39%
      Ramaswamy 13%
      Haley 12%
      Christie 11%
      DeSantis 10%
      Scott 6%
      Pence 2%

      s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2398…

      • Ramaswamy says he is “sorry” he got his Covid shots.

        Is this clown the biggest “panderer “ of all time or what?

        It won’t do him any food of course.

        It’s Trump all the way and to show you how damn dumb these Republicans are?

        Most of them ,who are opposed to Covid vaccinations ,will support Trump,the man who pushed hardest for development of the vaccines!

          • It’s always surprised and disappointed me that pressure from (or pandering to) the craziest part of his base has made Donald Trump disown or denounce the two achievement for which even his staunchest critics (e.g. we) give him credit: Operation Warp Speed (which has saved hundreds of thousands of American lives and probably millions world-wide) and signing the First Steps reform and rationalization of criminal justice (at least at the Federal level).

    • I REALLY hope ur prediction IS WRONG…..

      The guy IS probably as crocked as the days, weeks, months is LONG….

      But AGAIN?

      He should NOT do a Franken…..

      That would be so Democratic and stupid…

      • Al Franken (DFL-Minn) was forced to resign over a few unwanted advances that don’t compare remotely to keeping thousands of dollars in gold bars from suspicious sources.

        On the other hand, even a temporary vacancy (until Dem. Gov. Phil Murphy can appoint a successor, no confirmations needed) will make the Democrats’ margin in the Senate even tinier : 49 Republicans facing 48 regular Democrats, Joe Manchin, Kyrsten Sinema, and the Vice President’s casting vote [I vacancy].

        Few remember how tight and the 60-40 unfilibusterable margin that passed Affordable Care was in 2009, when the Democrats had 58+2 seats in the broken gaps between Al Franken’s final seating and Ted Kennedy’s death and between Paul Kirk’s appointment to and Scott Brown’s election to Ted Kennedy’s seat. Even then, the Obama administration had to surrender important points to the Democratic caucus’s most conservative members; e.g. pulling the Public Option (even in single-insurer states) to satisfy Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.)

        See:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses

        • ….As usual, most everything underneath the surface of American politics is about Trump. House Republicans continue to be very afraid that he might one day endorse a primary challenger, so they bend over backwards to stay on his good side. The same applies to the weak and weaselly McCarthy who knows that a simple statement by Trump could end his Speakership the next day. That is why McCarthy went on television this past week to basically diss Ron DeSantis in a political comparison to Trump. Gee, I wonder who told McCarthy to do that.

          As I have asked for over eight years now, when does it end for Trump defenders.Even if someone agrees with him on every policy issues, what does it take to recognize what a completely amoral human being he is? Is that ever going to matter again? This is the person who does not want wounded war heroes “displayed” in public because they make him feel bad. He looks upon himself as a “winner”and anyone who actually joined the military and paid a price for it are “losers” or “suckers.”

          Today, he basically said on social media that General Mark Milley, the same person Trump elevated to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff should be “executed” for treason. Milley ran afoul of Trump in office and recently revealed the latest story about Trump not wanting to see a disabled veteran featured at a public event.

          I do not think Donald Trump will be President ever again, although the fact that Joe Biden may be the only think standing between him and the White House should be a horrible thing to consider for Americans across the political spectrum. What would happen though if he did “come to power” again. He may never actually be able to do what he would truly want to do or even try to do but the things that he would want to do or try to do are pretty abhorrent….

          Corey’s Political Prognostications…

  7. Attended my first ever local Democratic Party meeting last Thursday. Was an interesting, entertaining affair. Always wanted to go up to NC or even stay in GA and help the party build infrastructure to compete, win, and enact policy. Could be an interesting avenue.

  9. I am sure you do love the back and forth but I am not going to be “dropping in regularly.”

    As you know I would “drop in” a lot more if you would simply live up to a specific promise you made to me on several occasions that you would not allow the last names of commenters to be posted here by others.

    Clearly, you took back the promises you made on that and do not value my “drop ins.: So be it.

  12. All of what happened the last five years with Feinstein was on the level of the bitter battle over the Sumner Redstone media empire, and relevantly impacted the lives of millions more Americans than Redstone. Feinstein was an icon and blazed the trail for many of our most prominent political figures today. She deserved better so much than this ignominious end.

    Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi, and all parties involved in this fiasco need to be brought up on elder abuse and criminal conspiracy charges. Power hungry trash long past their expiration date.

  13. Nate Silver
    @NateSilver538
    Not being remotely sarcastic when I say this is good news for Biden. Will aim for a more detailed take on this soon.

    mediaite.com
    EXCLUSIVE: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Planning to Announce Independent Run
    2024 presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce he will run as an independent on October 9 in Pennsylvania, Mediaite has learned.

    • Silver IS gonna point to the fact that RFK Jr. actually is talking like a REPUBLICAN not saomeone who comes from a iconic Democratic family….

      He’s a STRDENT anti-VaXXer…..

    • I was near Paris Mountain State Park in Greenville, SC, yesterday and saw my first ever RFK Jr 2024 sign. SC, to say nothing of AL, would definitely supply him with more support than most Southern states in a Democratic Primary. Unlike AL, I doubt he even gets a delegate out of that state.

      While I think the effects of Cornel West on Biden’s chances average out to nothing in the end, RFK Jr stands to siphon off the support of those Republicans who won’t want to vote for a man convicted of high crimes, as well as folks like CG who only dislike Trump for his temperament and Tweets/Truth Social posting.

  15. RFK Jr’s third party bid stands to siphon off the support folks like CG who only dislike Trump for his temperament and Tweets/Truth Social posting, as well as the relative few Republicans who won’t want to vote for a criminally convicted Trump or President Biden.

    Think about it, aside from the issues with “letting Trump be Trump,” Republicans by and large have no problem with anti-vax and pro-“herd immunity”(aka mass death) policies, theyve winked and nodded at it for years before the lid was semi-recently blown off. Just to name one issue, and the one central to the man’s campaign no less.

      • AGAIN?

        ‘Do You Think They’ll Arrest Me Today?’

        Donald Trump raged to an Iowa crowd this afternoon, Rolling Stone reports.

        Said Trump: “It’s no wonder the far left lunatics are getting desperate to stop our movement by any means necessary. As you know, crooked Joe Biden and his radical left thugs have weaponized law enforcement to arrest their leading opponent on fake and phony charges. I got arrested four times in the last — it’s almost like I wake up in the morning, ‘Do you think they’ll arrest me today?’ I never got arrested before. It’s a terrible thing.”

        He added: “Every time the radical Democrats indict me, I consider it a great honor. Because I’m being indicted for you.”

  16. Free Donny (on a bamboo chair with an assegai and black beret) and all political prisoners NOW!

    ,,, by any means necessary. The Sky’s the Limit!

  20. What’s this about Bidens dog biting numerous people?

    People making jokes about it?

    I don’t think it’s funny.I was bitten by a dog when I was a kid and it was quite traumatic.

    Having a dog that goes around biting people is crazy

  22. Meanwhile,Greg Gutfeld, the host of two of the most popular shows on Fox News, announced that he was opposed to elections and favored a civil war in the United States.

    It was quite a performance by the Right Wing extremist.You could literally see the hate oozing out of his contorted face as the seditionist and disciple of Donald Trump ,Spread his wild eyed extremism.

    A real news network would have certainly taken some action ,at least a suspension if not booting him off the air.

    So far though?

    Nothing from Fox.

    Maybe this is what has become ala professional wrestling, Sports / entertainment ,News/ entertainment ?

  24. You all should have listened to me about two years ago on RFK Jr.

    All I did was ask a simple question then considering his rabid anti-vax stance. It was not too long ago before the pandemic that RFK Jr was a prominent fundraiser and surrogate for Democrats. He was being embraced by many prominent Democrats as recently as 2018, when he was already vocally anti-vax. I asked if Democrats should stop using him in that role and chose to distance themselves from him. It seemed pretty obvious they should do that.

    I recall that most of the Democrats here, (may one of them Rest in Peace) said no, there was no need to distance from RFK Jr.

    He may have a hard time getting on the ballot, unless he is nominated by the Libertarians, which I would not discount. That is sort of ironic though that the party would nominate someone who once suggested that people who denied global warming should be put in prison by the government.

    There are some people who would vote for RFK Jr because is a Democrat and some people are dumb.

  25. I’ve certainly been no fan of or apologist for RFKJ any more than I am of Al Sharpton.

    In New England, Kennedy’s low-price energy oil co-op, thanked Citgo for offering free heating oil for the poor during the critical winter months. At that point, Citgo was owned and controlled by the Bolivarian Venezuelan government of Húgo Chávez.

    And after Matt Schlapp took over control of CPAC from Al Cárdenas, it’s become a Trump Party Rally (ein Parteitag). Anti-vaxism will appeal to the crowd, so now Trump sees someone stealing his light. (Ironically, the two things for which I give Trump credit are Operation Warp Speed and signing the First Steps Act.)

  27. ^^There goes the boy in the bubble with his memorized talking points again vis a vis the 2012 GOP nominee. And some people think they’re contributing to the fight for democracy by re-litigating decade old fights. The fight is real and is now. No time for overpaid pencil pushers!

  29. Nancy Mace is making a public spectacle of herself. Thinking I might have to rent out an Extended Stay hotel room in Charleston and run for Congress. As some of my area road videos can attest, I represent Charleston better than she does. It would be something if a hotel dweller gave her the tightest race of her career.

    • Of course, SE, you should get Jim Clyburn’s OK if you’ll be running on the South Carolina Democratic Party’s ticket (and not help Nancy Mace by seeking and winning the S.C. Working Families Party nomination). But then, go for it.

        • I somehow think my brash, low-ball, typical millennial candidacy could get Jack and Keith to donate…to the Republican. The Biden-Mace voter will probably be a thing, anyway, especially in Charleston.

          As to DSD’s suggestion on Clyburn, I solicit no one’s permission and plan to win via that proud tradition of SC Democrats: By beating more established candidates by virtue of my name being first on the ballot. I would solicit the DSA’s endorsement if I actually went through on it, though.

          • Though the closer I look, Mac DeFord of Hilton Head is already a quality candidate for Mace’s seat. So the Upstate/Charlotte Metro one anchored by Gaffney and Rock Hill and represented by all-around scumbag Ralph Norman would be a better bet for my kamikaze aspirations.

            Honestly, I’m humoring myself while also casting about for opportunities in the South to help the Democratic campaign apparatus.

    • No need for that, SE, unless you’re admire the least appealing traits of a recent former President, who thinks those killed and captured in battle are losers, and prefers successful flyers to those who suffered in captivity.

      Bob Dole lost the use of his arm fighting for our freedom in the mountains of Italy.

      • … so, of course, he wouldn’t want Gen. Milley to bring Bob Dole to any of his ceremonies, since cripples upset him so much (when he really wants tanks down Pennsylvania Ave.)

  32. I shook Bob Dole’s left hand in 1996. I am sure I have mentioned it before, but it would not have been “recently.” It was quite an honor.

    I thought about him recently in a couple regards. One is the confirmation that Trump did indeed held those injured or captured in wars such as John McCain and George H.W. Bush in low regard. He blames them for that and for being “losers” and simply cannot understand why anyone would ever choose to join the military. Considering Dole’s lifelong wounds, he must have had the same opinion of him.

    Then in regards to the now scuttled Senate relaxing of the dress code because apparently it is “difficult” for Fetterman to dress appropriately because of his issues. Bob Dole used a buttonhook to get dressed every day of his life and it was a timely ordeal to put on a tie whenever he needed to, but he nor many others who had physical limitations and served in the Senate never previously asked for any special accommodation.

    • Former Texas Rep. Will Hurd suspended his Republican presidential bid Monday, abandoning a brief campaign built on criticizing Donald Trump at a time when his party seems even more determined to embrace the former president.

      Hurd said on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, that he was endorsing Nikki Haley for the GOP nomination….

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