Hispanics still overwhelmingly vote Democratic…
But in less numbers recently….
Mirroring the Black vote…
Some Minority voters ARE more pragmatic and more MODERATE….
All the media attention on progressive policy pushed seem to be costing Democrats votes….
Democrats are worried they could be losing their electoral grip on Hispanics, the country’s second-largest voter bloc by ethnicity.
A Wall Street Journal poll released last week showed Hispanic voters evenly split between Democrats and Republicans, and while that poll’s data faced substantive questions over its tiny sample size, its results sounded alarm bells among Democrats nonetheless.
“I think that both parties should always have a sense of urgency in communicating with Hispanics, Latinos,” said Ivan Zapien, a Democratic lobbyist and former executive director at the Hispanic Leadership Council of the Democratic National Committee (DNC).
“Do I think that Democrats’ heads should be on fire over this issue? Yeah, I do. I think that their head should be on fire over this issue every day regardless of what polls say,” he added…
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Democrats say they have a lead on cultural competency in communicating with most Hispanic communities in the country — Cubans, Venezuelans and Colombians in South Florida may be the exception — but they face challenges due to the size of their coalition.
“The Republican Party has a way easier job than we do. They just need to strip 5 percent to 7 percent of our national vote and they win,” said Rep. Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.), chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus’s campaign arm, Bold PAC.
He said the GOP needs to spend in the range of $10 million to $30 million on a combination of voter suppression efforts and campaign messaging to hit that goal.
“We have to continue to invest and make sure that we’re still hitting in the 65 to 70 percent range in order to keep our national coalition together, which is very expensive, especially as we have a growing population,” added Gallego.
Republicans are latching on to the polling numbers and indications from 2020 that Hispanics — particularly voters in Texas and Florida — are increasingly responsive to a conservative economic message….
A Sept Op-Ed look at the Black and Hispanic male vote that’s could be background reason for the above….
The big headline is that the California recall failed. Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom gets to keep his job. He handily fought off the Republican challenge.
But there is a worrisome detail in the data, one that keeps showing up, one that Democrats would do well to deal with: Black and Latino men are not hewing as close to the party line as Black and Latina women.
There are, of course, issues with exit polls, and results often change as more votes are counted. But that said, the California exit pollsdo seem to reflect what polls have shown for some time now.
In CNN’s exit poll, nearly half of the Hispanic men surveyed and nearly a quarter of the Black men voted to support the recall. The largest difference between men and women of any racial group was between Black men and Black women.
Even if these numbers are later adjusted, the warning must still be registered.
For many of these men, saying Republicans are racist or attract racists or abide racists isn’t enough.
For one thing, never underestimate the communion among men, regardless of race. Men have privileges in society, and some are drawn to policies that elevate their privileges.
For instance, many Black and Hispanic men oppose abortion.
Some men liked the bravado of Donald Trump and chafed at the rise of the #MeToo movement. Some simply see trans women as men in dresses and want to carry guns wherever they want.
The question for Democrats is how do they lure some of these men back without catering to the patriarchy. From a position of principle, the party can’t really appeal to them; it must seek to change them….
Pragmatic?
Let’s see how “pragmatic “ those Republicans are going forward on immigration issues.
Then again,maybe “pragmatism “ has nothng to do with it and those Hispanics voting Republican are using the age old maxim,” I’ve got mine ,the Hell with you” “ as to their Hispanic brothers and sisters
Perhaps , “I got mine legally.. I am bothered with those trying to get theirs illegally..”
But most of this is about socialism and what that means to those who have had to escape socialist regimes, overly “wokeness” (i.e. “latinx”) and of course “defund the police.”
Plus the well-known conventional wisdom that Hispanic Americans (Hispanix?), Asian-Americans and older or more rural Afro-Americans can be quite religious and culturally conservative on issues like abortion, drugs and gender equality.
Messaging from Democrats is certainly more geared towards abortion, guns, “equality” and other cultural issues these days than the economy.
Yeah. Republican House members are sending out Xmas cards with their kids brandishing AR15s but Democrats are the ones talking about guns too much.
OK.
sort of an ironic post
Gun Control being a one issue thing for some voters is a loser fir them sadly Scott
Gun ownership has risen during the pandemic…
Dem’s seldom mention it in a country with a gin ‘culture’
Mexico and Guatemala and I think a third country are the only countries in the world besides the US that allows the constitutional right of gun ownership. Even rhough Gun ownership in those countries is much less than the unprincipled and tunrestrained proliferation that exists in the US, crime is of course still especially bad in both of those countries.
In term of the economy, the US economy is once again among the best in the world by most metrics other than inflation and I am pretty sure that inflation is significantly higher in Mexico. After the incredible failure of the GWB and Trump administrations, we know that borrowing money from abroad (mostly China) to finance a tax cut may be popular with wealthy donors abd it may get Republicans some more votes, but it is destructive towards both the economy and income distribution,
Along those lines, countries that allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy:
Canada, China, Netherlands, North Korea, Singapore, the United States and Vietnam.
Yes Jack and CG…
EXACTLY….
But?
Democrats STILL NEED those voters….
CG is correct that most Republicans would appear to prefer the repressive abortion laws that exist in most of Africa and the MidEast to what we have here. He also knows that countries have been gradually liberalizing their abortion laws in the past two decades. See below:
https://maps.reproductiverights.org/worldabortionlaws
And Scandinavia and just about everywhere else besides North Korea, China, and Vietnam. I thought you guys wanted us to be a lot more like Scandinavia. Keep in mind, I pointed out this relates to past 20 weeks. The link above is not valid because it is not considering that qualification.
Personally, I believe life begins at either conception or fertilization. Until the science is clear, I will side with at conception. Compromise is an important part of democracy though.
Is there any point where it should be considered too late for an elective abortion? The polls show that a vast majority of Americans do not believe all abortions should be legal in all circumstances.
I personally do not believe the laws should restrict abortions for almost any reason. Yes, that position is more progressive than what is believed by most of the US population. I know the decision on whether to have an abortion is very difficult for the vast majority of women who face an unplanned pregnancy, even if it is not a difficult decision for you.
“almost any” or “not any”
Why are you giving yourself an out? What is the circumstance you would restrict?
I haven’t fully thought about it. I guess I am open to the possibility of some restriction(s), but am not certain. Why does this disturb you that I don’t have a more rock solid position? It is not as if I ever plan to run for office.
I would just think that if in your mind you have come to the conclusion that restrictions may be needed that you would then be understanding of others who feel that restrictions may be needed.
Although I consider myself very pro-choice, I do respect that a person could have a legitimate moral reason to oppose some or all abortions.
I have told you that each of my three sisters opposes abortion, and I know they are good people, and I respect them greatly.
Yeah I remember you have mentioned your sisters but I also do not think you would dismiss them by saying they prefer Sharia Law from the Middle East or Africa.
Interestingly, my sisters are more willing to discuss abortion with me than I am with them.
Different strokes for different folks
Cause i don’t read minds
If i could i wouldn’t be here
That was to Zreebs, not you.
On another note, I have to confess, and I am somewhat disturbed by this and probably should not even admit it, but I had a dream just last night that jamesb somehow showed up at some sort of a family gathering.
SE can probably analyze it for me
Ur’s?😳
Some sort of wild animal then showed up in the backyard as well, so I cannot even claim to understand what it was all about.
I hope James was wearing a mask?
No, there were no masks. He said something about being in the Kentucky tornado though and I was arguing with him about that and saying no you weren’t.
Clearly, I need help.
It was his dream…
You looked sorta like Larry David in this dream which is not at all how I picture you.
I always assumed James looks like that guy at the top of his blog in the blue suit at the lectern.
Your last sentence says it all Zreebs.
The last sentence is irrelevant to anything being discussed.
Nobody is disputing that it is a “hard decision” for most.
Is it one that you have had to make?
That’s a personal question, but I have always believed that an unborn child has a right to life and would have a moral commitment to proceed in that direction regardless of any personal cost or sacrifice.
But perhaps you are trying to snarkily suggest that because I identify as male and use he/him pronouns that I somehow could not possibly at any point be a “birthing person” and thus cannot have an opinion. I utterly reject that. In 2021, you need to be very careful in making those assumptions about people. I am sure you, as a liberal, agree.
and needless to say, plenty of cisgender females are Pro-Life. In fact, the majority of Pro-Lifers are female.
I just asked a question. If you don’t want to answer it that’s fine. But if you think me merely asking that puts you put–well imagine how those who are facing actual decisions of pregnancy feel.
I’m not sure what the question was. I readily admit that I am sure it is a very difficult decision for most. Depending on the decision, an even tougher result for a baby.
But let us be clear that in 2021 we all need to be evolved enough recognize that men can get pregnant and give birth and have abortions and all of that.
Nobody asked if you are cisgender or if you could become a “birthing person”, but thank you for telling us.
It’s just an indication that “well , you can’t give birth to a baby, you have no right to an opinion on abortion” is a tremendously disingenuous cop-out from those (whomever) that try to use it.
Nobody really is able to say who is or is not able to be pregnant these days, especially over the internet.
Roe v Wade is perceived as a ‘woman’s right’s’ decision…..
But i believe it was actually NOT based on that….
I could be wrong but i think it is based on a woman’s ability of ‘expression’ or choice…
Jack maybe better on this or DSD can do the research….
There have legal expert lawyers who have said the ruling was actually poorly written
Politically?
This IS a rough one
While the group of six COULD simply discard the ruling?
Polling indicates that they would going against the support for the procedure by around 60% Of America
There is NO doubt that abortion access in over
15 or so states WILL be restricted by up coming high court ruling on probably the Miss case…
Plus, I thought there was polling showing something different among Republicans in regards to abortion.
Some things should be considered beyond the realm of politics though.
Interesting how quickly the discussion has moved from the thread’s title about Democratic support among Hispanic Americans to abortion. I don’t think (although I don’t know) that any of the regular or recidivist contributors here are either Hispanic or female
Of course that doesn’t preclude us from discussing Cuba or Roe v. Wade or Venezuela or pay equity or immigration or multi-culturalism.
I think your argument above is more disingenuous, Certainly no one here is saying that a group of women should make the rules on abortion- which is kind of what you implied. Instead, most pro-choicers believe the ultimate decider for each specific pregnancy is that the pregnant woman herself for her fetus alone, presumably after consultation with the doctor of her choosing.
No. Zreebs, you mistook the import of what I was saying, which is just the opposite — that our demographics certainly don’t preclude us from discussing issues like reproductive rights, ethnicity or gender equality.
Dave, I was responding to CG’s 5:23 above (it may appeared you as 6:23 to you because you are ET.) If I replied to you, my comment would have been indented.
We were no longer talking about Latinos – except at the very beginning.
all of us frequently get confused when we respond to comments that others have made thinking they were referring to us. It might be a good practice going forward to list the person’s name if you are specifically responding to a person. If I ha$ done that, Dave would not have been confused.
Back the original topic: The Failure of ‘Latinx’, by Rich Lowry (editor of National Review)
¶ Latinos have rejected the term, at the same time they swing toward the GOP.
So, when it was decided in the precincts of fashionable opinion that the term “Latino” would be retired in favor of “Latinx,” one could have been forgiven for thinking that this hideous neologism would, like so much else in American life, go from a fringe cause to mainstream soon enough.
…But a funny thing happened on the way to the Latinx ascendancy — Latinos have rejected the term, at the same time that a big swing toward the GOP among these voters has highlighted the perils of high-handed cultural politics for the Democrats.
Latinx may end up being a woke experiment that failed, showing the vast gap between the identity-politics-obsessed progressives earnestly talking to one another in seminar rooms and on social media and the Hispanics in whose name they presume to speak.
Latinx is a project cut from the same cloth as the endless extension of LGBTQ, which, as of this writing, is now more properly and comprehensively rendered as LGBTQQIP2SAA….
Latinx rose from the ashes of its predecessor neologism Latin@, an attempted amalgamation of the -o at the end of the Latino and the -a at the end of Latina. But no one knew how to pronounce the word. It was deemed insufficiently woke because the “o” was supposedly graphically dominating the “a” (yes, this is how some people think). And it caused confusion on social media where the at sign is used to tag someone.
Enter Latinx, which is only slightly less ridiculous.
As Giancarlo Sopo of The Daily Wire, who has been on a one-man crusade against the rise of the term, points out, Latinx is incomprehensible to any Spanish speaker without some knowledge of English. Most Spanish-speakers don’t think there is something desperately flawed about their language, or that Spanish grammar is a proto-hate crime. The Real Academia Española, Spain’s official institution charged with maintaining the integrity of the language, has ruled against the -x appendage.
Out in the real world, “Latinx” polls even more poorly than Joe Biden does. A Politico poll found that only 2% of Hispanics prefer the term, while 68% opt for Hispanic and 21% favor Latino or Latina. The term is considered offensive to 40% of respondents and 30% said that they are less likely to support a politician or group using it….
© 2021 by King Features Syndicate
https://patriotpost.us/opinion/84881-the-failure-of-latinx-2021-12-14