The Hill lines up the early Grand ole’ Party 2024 Presidential contenders MINUS Donald J. Trump who I think ain’t gonna be running …..
The piece and other media think he would top the list IF he did decide to run….
But I do NOT think he’s going to run or even win the nomination…
Me?
I think Trump is gonna be a beat down has been 3-4 years from now….
Things change…
President Trump casts a long shadow over the Republican Party even as his attempts to cling to power look doomed to failure.
Trump could run again in 2024. If he does, it is hard to see anyone beating him for the Republican nomination.
Although Trump lost the presidential election by around 7 million votes, he is by far the most popular figure in the nation with GOP voters. He has enormous fundraising prowess — he raised about $170 million in the month after the election — and he can drive media attention like no one else.
Still, Trump will be 78 by the time of the next election. He also faces financial pressures, with large debts coming due in the next few years. He will continue to command headlines but there are solid reasons why he may not run for the presidency again.
There is speculative chatter that one of Trump’s children, perhaps his elder daughter Ivanka, could enter the political arena. But here are some other front-line contenders for the GOP nomination in 2024…
image…Greg Nash/Getty
Everyone of them…
MAGA Red Hat Wearing bootlickers!
Haley, Hawley, Cotton, Cruz & Pence.
Other potential candidates: Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, Fox News host Tucker Carlson, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), Sen. Rick Scott (Fla.), Ivanka Trump.
But Christie, Hogan and Carlson haven’t yet grasped who really won last November’s election. The rest, indeed, only take off their red MAGA (or KAG) hats to lick someone’s muddy boots.
Look for several if not all of the sentors mentioned here joining the debate against the Biden EC totals on Web….
The 2024 Presidential race has begin!
Multiple GOP Senators Will Object to Electoral Tally
A growing number of Republican senators — led by Ted Cruz — are set to announce today they also will object to certifying state Electoral College votes on Wednesday,” Axios reports….
Call them what they are–Cultists
Or (in Paul Tsongas’ words) Panderers.
I miss Tsongas. He was a great senator.
1992 was the first Presidential election I could vote in. I would have voted for Tsongas in a primary but that year Missouri went back to caucuses for some reason. We didn’t have primaries again until 2000
Not surprising.
Unlike some here, these Senators understand what the Republican Party has become.
Senators Objecting to Electoral Tally Offer No Reasons
The New York Times notes that none of the 12 Republican U.S. senators who said they would vote to invalidate the electoral vote “has made a specific allegation of fraud, instead offering vague suggestions that some wrongdoing might have occurred and asserting that many of their supporters believe that it has.”
In fact, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel notes that Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) just last month said that he regarded the election as legitimate and had no plans to object to the Electoral College votes.
This story just plays out as a tickler…
Toomey, Murkowski to oppose GOP effort to challenge election results
GOP Sens. Pat Toomey (Pa.) and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) said on Saturday that they will oppose efforts by at least a dozen of their Republican colleagues to challenge President-elect Joe Biden’s Electoral College win next week.
Toomey said the “evidence is overwhelming that Joe Biden won this election.”
The GOP senator also offered blistering criticism of the decision by roughly a dozen GOP senators to challenge the election results when Congress convenes a joint session on Wednesday to formally count the vote….
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Senate Democrats rebuke GOP colleagues who say they’ll oppose Electoral College results
Senate Democrats criticized their GOP colleagues after a group of 11 Republicans announced they would oppose the Electoral College results when Congress meets on Wednesday.
A number of Democrats said the group, which includes Republican Sens. Ted Cruz (Texas), Ron Johnson (Wis.), James Lankford (Okla.), Steve Daines (Mont.), John Kennedy (La.) and Marsha Blackburn (Tenn.) is undermining the electoral process by vowing to vote against accepting the election results until there is a 10-day audit.
Congress will meet for a joint session on Wednesday to certify the Electoral College tally, which found President-elect Joe Biden the victor of the White House race….
From Ted Cruz’s page on the official Senate web site:
WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senators Ted Cruz (R-Texas), Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), James Lankford (R-Okla.), Steve Daines (R-Mont.), John Kennedy (R-La.), Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), and Mike Braun (R-Ind.), and Senators-Elect Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.), Roger Marshall (R-Kan.), Bill Hagerty (R-Tenn.), and Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) issued the following statement in advance of the Electoral College certification process on January 6, 2021:
“America is a Republic whose leaders are chosen in democratic elections. Those elections, in turn, must comply with the Constitution and with federal and state law.
“When the voters fairly decide an election, pursuant to the rule of law, the losing candidate should acknowledge and respect the legitimacy of that election. And, if the voters choose to elect a new office-holder, our Nation should have a peaceful transfer of power.
“The election of 2020, like the election of 2016, was hard fought and, in many swing states, narrowly decided. The 2020 election, however, featured unprecedented allegations of voter fraud, violations and lax enforcement of election law, and other voting irregularities.
“Voter fraud has posed a persistent challenge in our elections, although its breadth and scope are disputed. By any measure, the allegations of fraud and irregularities in the 2020 election exceed any in our lifetimes.
“And those allegations are not believed just by one individual candidate. Instead, they are widespread. Reuters/Ipsos polling, tragically, shows that 39% of Americans believe ‘the election was rigged.’ That belief is held by Republicans (67%), Democrats (17%), and Independents (31%).
“Some Members of Congress disagree with that assessment, as do many members of the media.
“But, whether or not our elected officials or journalists believe it, that deep distrust of our democratic processes will not magically disappear. It should concern us all. And it poses an ongoing threat to the legitimacy of any subsequent administrations.
“Ideally, the courts would have heard evidence and resolved these claims of serious election fraud. Twice, the Supreme Court had the opportunity to do so; twice, the Court declined.
“On January 6, it is incumbent on Congress to vote on whether to certify the 2020 election results. That vote is the lone constitutional power remaining to consider and force resolution of the multiple allegations of serious voter fraud.
“At that quadrennial joint session, there is long precedent of Democratic Members of Congress raising objections to presidential election results, as they did in 1969, 2001, 2005, and 2017. And, in both 1969 and 2005, a Democratic Senator joined with a Democratic House Member in forcing votes in both houses on whether to accept the presidential electors being challenged.
“The most direct precedent on this question arose in 1877, following serious allegations of fraud and illegal conduct in the Hayes-Tilden presidential race. Specifically, the elections in three states-Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina-were alleged to have been conducted illegally.
“In 1877, Congress did not ignore those allegations, nor did the media simply dismiss those raising them as radicals trying to undermine democracy. Instead, Congress appointed an Electoral Commission-consisting of five Senators, five House Members, and five Supreme Court Justices-to consider and resolve the disputed returns.
“We should follow that precedent. To wit, Congress should immediately appoint an Electoral Commission, with full investigatory and fact-finding authority, to conduct an emergency 10-day audit of the election returns in the disputed states. Once completed, individual states would evaluate the Commission’s findings and could convene a special legislative session to certify a change in their vote, if needed.
“Accordingly, we intend to vote on January 6 to reject the electors from disputed states as not ‘regularly given’ and ‘lawfully certified’ (the statutory requisite), unless and until that emergency 10-day audit is completed.
“We are not naïve. We fully expect most if not all Democrats, and perhaps more than a few Republicans, to vote otherwise. But support of election integrity should not be a partisan issue. A fair and credible audit-conducted expeditiously and completed well before January 20-would dramatically improve Americans’ faith in our electoral process and would significantly enhance the legitimacy of whoever becomes our next President. We owe that to the People.
“These are matters worthy of the Congress, and entrusted to us to defend. We do not take this action lightly. We are acting not to thwart the democratic process, but rather to protect it. And every one of us should act together to ensure that the election was lawfully conducted under the Constitution and to do everything we can to restore faith in our Democracy.”
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Liars, cheats and would be thieves.
Attempted theft is still a crime.
This gang can’t even keep their stories consistent (usually considered a prudent idea).
While these Senators are invoking the Electoral Count Act, Rep. Louie Gohmert (frantic loon, Texas) is asking the courts to declare that act incompatible with the Constitution and to give the Vice President (the respondent, and of course much against his will) the sole power to declare results.
Not when you own the AG…
THAT SURE IS a LOT of misguided Bull Shit from the Harvard Law School graduate…
The Preposterous Louie Gohmert Lawsuit
By The Editors of National Review
December 30, 2020 4:33 PM
The United States Constitution provides a number of mechanisms by which anomalies or emergencies within the electoral system might be resolved. It provides no mechanisms whatsoever by which the losers can contrive a do-over.
This appears to be unclear to at least two Republican congressmen. Representative Louis Gohmert of Texas has signaled his intention to sue Mike Pence in district court if Pence refuses to use the absolute power Gohmert claims the vice president possesses under the Twelfth Amendment and to hand the election to Trump. Representative Mo Brooks of Alabama, meanwhile, has announced that “dozens” of Republican members of Congress will object to the Electoral College results when Congress meets to certify them on January 6. By registering their objections, Brooks says, he and his fellow legislators will be making a “tough decision.”
The opposite is true. It is never easy to lose an election — especially when it is close. But the “tough decision” here is to resist the president’s increasingly unmoored accusations, to ignore those who are irresponsibly echoing them, and to respect the outcome. If either of these two schemes were to succeed, the result would be the weakening of the federal system and the establishment of a disastrous precedent for future elections — not to mention the rank subversion of democracy.
Gohmert’s plan is particularly preposterous, in that it would entrench into American law the idea that the incumbent vice president is permitted — perhaps even obliged — to veto the results of any presidential election whose outcome he dislikes. Instead, as president of the Senate, the vice president has a purely ministerial role presiding over the counting of electoral votes by Congress. If Richard Nixon could serve this function after his own heartbreaking loss in 1960, surely Mike Pence can sign off on this year’s results.
That almost no Republican senators have shown any interest in actively pursuing these ploys is a testament to their good sense, which makes it all the more disappointing that Josh Hawley has volunteered to join Brooks in objecting. President Trump has taken aim at the majority leader, Mitch McConnell, for acknowledging that Joe Biden is the president-elect, and at the assistant majority leader, John Thune, for observing that the Mo Brooks plan is destined to “go down like a shot dog.” In Trump’s estimation, McConnell’s statement shows that he does not know how “to fight,” while Thune’s shows that he is “weak.” There is, indeed, a great deal to admire about politicians who give their cause their all. But there is nothing strong or admirable about seeking to overturn the result of a presidential election.
The whole thing is just political Bull Shit show….
They ALL KNOW Biden Won…
They ALL KNOW he’s gonna be President…
They ALL are just doing this a send away show to Trump’s supporters …
Some lining up for their early run at the Grand ole’ Party 2024 Presidential nomination….
And the media is eating it up….
Glad it’s just for 3 more days….
2-3 hours of debates on Wednesday and it should be all over…
I missed the last sentence of that NR editorial:
Trump and his team have had ample time to produce evidence of the widespread fraud they allege changed the outcome in key states and have failed to do so. Congress should now do its job and ratify the results in good faith, no matter how much it enrages the president.
On the whole?
They WILL….
And what sayeth VP Mike Pence?
He “welcomes their efforts.”
Guess National Review doesn’t think he has “good sense” either!
And hey on that?I agree with them,
“That almost no Republican Senators have shown any interest in pursuing these ploys…”
Obviously written prior to Ted Cruz and a growing list of others showed in the words of this editorial ,that they have no “good sense.”
Poor National Review,still flying the banner of pre Trumpian “conservatism.”Like some here ,they just refuse to see what their movement has increasingly become.
There ARE how many GOP Senators?
Only 12 will join Cruz for the stunt?
Here’s a link to Louis Gohmert et al.’s application for emergency relief.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txed.203073/gov.uscourts.txed.203073.30.0.pdf
I haven’t read all 40-odd pages, but the assertion that the Electoral Count Act is unconstitutional is on pp. 17-22.
Scanning the rest of it suggests to me (with just a humble paralegal degree) that it’s pretty weak and flimsy.
Again DSD?
Ur being Nice
This is just Bull Shit on toast
What you refer to as “bull shit” is supported by the majority of voters who refer to themselves as Republicans.
The fact that you refuse to understand what the Republican Party of today is all about is”bull shit.”
Why not cleanse yourself of the excrement by facing reality…
Most Republicans,with no evidence whatsoever, have bought into a conglomeration of conspiracy theories and lies that Biden was not legitimately elected President, that baseless falsehoods propagated by such things as Qanon reflect the truth or at least “could” be true ,and that such well known Republicans of the past and present such as John McCain, George W Bush and Mitt Romney are RINOS.
You refer to your refusal to acknowledge this reality as “optimism,” patience” or such other drivel.I call it stupidity.
Jack?
It’s STILLA BULL SHIT STUNT….
Even Republican lawmakers are calling out their own who are mute as to why they have joined Cruz..
Again?
They have ‘right ‘ to do this…
It has been done before
In rhe end?
It just make the system STRONGER NOT Weaker
And makes the knuckleheads looks like petty assholes
I’ll be glad when Trump leaves office and all this strident shit stops….
Probably be a media advertising free-fall…
Gheez!?
The guy shits like everyone else🙄….
He’gonna have a whole lot issues to deal with starting Jan 21…
Some gonna cost him money
Some gonna keep awake at night
Payback IS A BITCH
Wait till the leaks start coming out after he exits the center stage…
THAT will keep the media going for a short while…
The Gohmert suit has been dismissed by the Federal Appeals Court.,..
On Tuesday Congress and Pence WILL Accept the EC results….
Trump bags ARE being packed…
His furniture in NYC i think is on is way to Florida…
Again?
His admin staff are out looking for jobs…
I predict that loyalty to Donald Trump will be a litmus test for GOP candidates in 2024.
Those who are outspoken about his naked attempt to power grab may run, but like pro choice Republican candidates they will be of little to no consequence.
For now Scott….
Sure…
Later???
It is hard to imagine how Trump could be MORE popular in 4 years in the GOP than he is now. His plan to overthrow the government and to install himself has lost him some support among even some Republicans. He will continue to be in the News a lot over the next few years, but it generally won’t be favorable. Yet that hasn’t stopped Trump from attracting support in the past.
Trump or one of his family members will have a good chance of being the GOP nominee in 2024. It won’t be Pence. Despite years of dedicated service to Trump that borders on comical, Pence has lost the admiration of Both Trump supporters and anti-Trumpers. I don’t think it is likely that it will be Cruz or Hawley. No one can take seriously ever again Cruz’s argument that he is a Constitutionalist. And Hawley’s efforts in support of the Republican terrorists won’t be favorably remembered over time. Both of these men will be viewed as political opportunists.
The 2024 GOP nominee won’t be an anti-Trumper. The cult of Trump is still strong and it is always difficult for people to leave a cult. Anyone who criticizes Trump will sound like a Democrat to a Trump-supporter. So the most likely nominee will be Trump, a member of his family, or someone who is now a strong supporter.
The GOP didn’t nominate a vocal anti-McCarthyite when the presidential nomination became open in 1960; they picked Richard Nixon.
They didn’t nominate a vocal anti-Nixonian when the nomination opened in 1980; they picked Ronald Reagan (who almost snatched the nomination from incumbent Gerald Ford in 1976).
Both Nixon and Joe McCarthy retained significant residual support (or at least reflexive partisan apologia) within the Republican base long after their disgrace.
So I doubt that Mitt Romney or Pat Toomey will have much of a chance in 2024.
We’ll see….
It’s THREE years form now….
Lotta water under the bridge…..