Doubts and Reality from Republicans reported by Axios….
This has been pointed out here for some time…
It’s about the MONEY$$$….
The intrigue: Trump’s 2024 rivals privately tell Axios they assume Trump’s power will fade post-White House, giving them hope they can still run.
Reality check: Several allies who talk regularly to Trump told Axios they believe he’ll announce for 2024, but ultimately not make the run because of what one Republican close to Trump called “hurdles he has never before experienced.”
- “I think he will have more trouble than he can begin to imagine,” the Republican said. “No one is going to let him have a free pass in the primary.”
- “The only question left open is whether the media will give up their addiction to him or not — that will determine a great deal.”
When Axios asked if that was a reference more to political trouble, financial trouble or legal trouble, the person replied: “Yes.”
- But announcing would complicate moves by 2024 rivals and would feed Trump his drug — coverage.
The bottom line: Money + machinery = power…..
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From Politico…
Trump is getting plenty of support on Capitol Hill should he run again in 2024.Even in defeat ,Trumps hold on the party remains strong.
So Trump is heading down to Georgia to campaign for Loeffler and Perdue ,thus ending the charade that he “might” abandon them or even urge Republicans not to vote for them.
Why shouldn’t he?
After all he remains the Leader of the Republican Party and they are Republicans.
Also I anxiously await the new excuse for those Republicans who refuse to do anything to anger Trump.What are they wortied about?He will be gone in 48 days .And as we all know,they “really” don’t like him.
Maybe ,just maybe ,it’s that they realize what several posters here don’t Want to admit….
That Donald Trump Is the dominant figure in the Republican Party,that his supporters constitute the base of that party ,and that One crosses him at ones own peril.
The situation in Georgia is still a mess.
His lawyer/not really his lawyer is telling the voters to boycott the runoff until demands are met. Trump is Tweeting that the runoffs are not needed and will be canceled. The people they are relying on and afraid of that they need in order to win this election are quite unpredictable.
And by going to Georgia, he is going to drive up Democrat turnout of course.
The winning strategy for Republicans would have been quite simple, but since Trump refuses to admit defeat, they are going to have to do it the harder way.
If his true die-hard supporters are not the “base” forevermore, they are still large enough to sway those contests there.
Of course Trump will go to Georgia and talk all about himself and attack the Republican Governor and Republican Secretary of State while his two hostages David and Kelly will have to stand on stage next to him and nod.
Them and just about every other Republican of note in the country.
The Republican Party remains Trumps Party.
All the putting it this way and that and all the “ wishcasting “ as to what “ might” happen after he leaves office?
Just that “ wishing.”
It’s 12/2,, but yeah, hang on to the dream. As mentioned, i don’t blame you.
Right now the reality is that Trump is the undisputed head of the GOP.
The dream is thay will change over time.
Dreams do come true sometimes but let’s be clear about just who is “dreaming” as of December 2020
And I fully understand your position too.
You desperately want to “officially “ return to your home,the Republican Party(in my view you’ve never left really but we have all humored you with the relatively harmless deceit) .
In order to be “intellectually honest”( a term you have a certain adoration for) Trump not only has to be out of the presidency but viewed as a part of the past.Ah and there’s where the rub comes in.
Despite abundant evidence that Trump not only has no intention of relinquishing his dominant position
in the Party ,he’s even making noises about running for President again..Theoretically, as Trumps primacy over the Republican Party has been the stumbling block to your return this would present a problem.
However, I see you Justifying your return as part of an effort to defend what’s left of “traditional” Republicanism from Trump and his hordes .
And CG IS RIGHT….
The same people who voted FOR Biden are unlikely to be moved by Trump making things about himself….
It IS a hot mess down there
No new polling at ALL
Trump and his kid want the Georgia voters to vote for HIM ….
Not anybody else cause ALL of them ain’t willing to throw the President vote to him….
He’s STILL saying the Georgia vote is no good….
He’s talking out of BOTH sides of his mouth!
This is anecdotal only of course, but my father, who had been buying into all of Trump’s nonsense (but did not vote for him after maximum family pressure and some fights that I was not involved in) now thinks there is something very wrong with him.
No matter what Trump does, he is not going to be getting the coverage he is accustomed to. It is human nature for people to “move on.” Trump is hanging on by his fingertips now and a coalition of his die-hard cultists and lifelong ardent partisan Democrats like our friends here are propping him up because they don’t want the gravy train to end.
True Trump will not have the attention from the mainstream media next year that he does now. But Republicans and conservatives have had their own media outlets (Talk radio, FOX News etc) for decades. Noe they have their own social media too.
I stand by ny claim that Rush Limbaugh and his ilk are what created the mechanism Trump used to mild the GIP and conservative movement in his image. Blame Limbaugh, Armstrong Williams, Sean Hannity etc instead of us damn Democrats who were never “dittoheads” to begin with.
Does CG actually believe that we WANT Trump to remain in control of the GOP?
I would always like to have an ethical Republican (to the extent that they exist) challenge a Democrat over an unethical one. Not even a difficult choice. I believe if it wasn’t for COVID-19, Trump would have been re-elected and our Democracy would be finished.
And I suspect that the others on this site (with the possible exception of James) feels the same way.
I agree with Zreebs, I wish it would be possible to vote for a Republican again. But, as long as Trump is still in charge, that isn’t possible.
I found out today that somehow I was responsible for the rise of Trump in the Republican Party. Go figure.
I was simply pointing out the need to be realistic about the Republican Party since 50 years of racist dog whistles created Trump. He simply took all of those messages and put them on heat. And, I suspect that everyone here knows that, that is why I always get these ridiculous responses and personal attacks every time I point that out.
I also agree that Trump would have most likely been re-elected if the pandemic had not been mishandled so completely. But, even then, Trump had his willing enablers when he was orchestrating his daily denials. Joe Biden was the only candidate that could have won this election. Unfortunately he is about to be reminded of how craven the Republicans can be in ignoring their Constitutional responsibilities as they, once again, attempt to make him a “one term” President.
Keith has made many posts criticizing Trump over the past five years, and they were often responded to by CG with criticisms and analogies of how some Democrat was just as bad or some other “what about”.
Keith Is correct that he has been accusing the GOP and specific Republicans (including past Republican Presidents) of racist dog whistles for years. And did CG agree with Keith? Of course not. In fact, he suggested it was actually Keith who was the real racist.
Baby cages? Obama’s fault.
Corruption in the White House? Well what about Bill And Hillary
Failure to impeach Trump? Poor Democratic strategy
So now, Why does Trump remain so popular? Because of the partisan Democrats on this site who secretly want Trump around.
Of course we all know why Trump remains so popular with Republicans .
Because to the vast majority of Republicans he IS the Republican Party .
Yes Jack, Scott, and Zreebs are correct here especially about how Trump took over the GOP.
The establishment (see Bush and Romney) just have never been as good at slinging racism as Trump has been since his very first eviction back in Brooklyn. Their dog whistles aren’t as big or loud as Donnie’s. Well at least there’s that.
It’s so very Trump like to accuse others of what your party is responsible for. Denying with yet another “whatabout” that people like Romney, Bush, or Palin didn’t use dog whistle racism in a Presidential campaign is simply ridiculous. Saying that you “wish Obama could learn to be an American” is just as birther as looking for that birth certificate. When Donald Trump started the birther movement there were crickets from the Republican establishment. Mitt and the gang said nothing, because they, like so many times in the past, had someone else doing the dirty work for them. Well now the King of Dirt and Racism runs the party that Nixon built on racial fear.
Republican voters, ignorant uneducated Republican voters, fearful of their shrinking position in the world flocked to Trump. He speaks for them, he ain’t going away unless they take his phone away.
Romney made John Sununu apologize for the comment, which he did.
As a U.S Senator, Romney (as the only Republican) voted against a Trump judicial pick who had made similar comments about Obama and said that was the reason why.
That kind of line of attack against Romney does not add up, nor does it against McCain or the Bushes.
Although I didn’t vote for him, I was a fan of John McCain and I do not feel he was a racist.
I recall when McCain was campaigning in South Carolina, the Bush campaign was asking “Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain if you knew he fathered a black daughter?”. Those weren’t the exact words, but it was close. At the time McCain was campaigning with his dark adopted daughter from Bangladesh.
It wouldn’t be fair to call that a dog whistle because everyone could hear the racism. I believe that CG backed Bush in that race. Didn’t he?
John McCain was a honorable man
Bless his soul….
But he could be a pain in the butt when he wanted to be….
Ask some Defense contractors
Some people you know online were saying truly horrific things about John McCain in 2008 and even after.
What’s the point?
Simply because I had a high opinion of McCain, doesn’t mean I was right in what I believed. And while I am pro-business (vs. pro-labor) on some issues does’t mean I am correct on those issues, just because I tend to agree with the liberal side on most other issues. Perhaps I am wrong on lots of staff, and equally important, you should recognized that you might be wrong on lots of stuff. None of us truly can see things as they really are even though we might want to.
I supported GWB over McCain. If anybody attacked McCain’s daughter, that was of course horrible, but nobody was ever able to produce any actual evidence of it. The attack itself did not even make sense.
McCain had some severe haters in SC veterans groups who would have been backing GWB as a means of opposing McCain but there was nothing at all to tie it officially to the Bush campaign, who was well ahead in SC, its basically an urban myth that they would have complicit
Where is there a link to the “close quote” that Zreebs used? People would have been able to have audio recordings of phone calls back then. Does one even exist of that being said?
I am sure there were dirty tricks going on against McCain, and it said specifically from some professor at Bob Jones University, but it is ridiculous to suggest that Karl Rove or someone else would try to put out a convoluted story about McCain’s adopted daughter, which would have simply allowed him to tell the story of her adoption and use it for political benefit.
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/dirty-tricks-south-carolina-and-john-mccain/
The Nation, of course. No agenda there.
But there’s no audio or actual evidence of such a thing. It is a completely constructed quote.
How can one disprove a negative? Everyone loves conspiracy theories, and this is one of them. We certainly see that with the current President.
I do remember that the Bush campaign and their allies during that primary season were able to record and play the anti-Bush robocalls from the McCain side but nobody has ever physically heard this claim being made in any sort of call or on any sort of pamphlet, etc.
Yes, everyone knew about this “rumor” at the time. The rumor itself made absolutely no sense. Assuming the rumor was not an inside job, it was a pretty dumb person who tried to create it because it made no sense.
The claim was that McCain’s then 8 year old daughter (adopted from Bangladesh, in a wonderful story that speaks so highly of the McCain family) was actually the daughter he fathered with an African-American prostitute but then adopted.
Sort of far fetched there to begin with. But as mentioned, Bridget was certainly not being hidden by her family and appeared in all of the family photographs put out by the campaign, etc, so what would there have been to hide?
Significantly though, Bridget does not look African-American, and I assume people in South Carolina are familiar with African-Americans, and she certainly did not look like she would have been biracial and the offspring of John McCain.
Conspiracy theories should at least make sense. Rove and the Bush campaign had plenty to use against McCain among SC Republicans without that nonsense.
This event was widely reported on the major networks during the 2000 campaign and widely credited with Bush winning SC after losing NH. It was also reported that the McCain campaign and McCain personally certainly believed that the Bush campaign was behind it, and God knows this wasn’t the only time that Rove went over the line.
And yes, Republicans can say stupid stuff and still have it believed by the GOP base, and that might be more true in SC than most other places. Even today, 77% of Republicans believe that Biden won by fraud despite those charges continually be laughed out of court. And didn’t you claim that a Devil’s Triangle “sounded like” a drinking game?
I am not intending to sound mean, but you often sound like you have lived your life in a bubble (although I confess I lived 2020 in a bubble too). Based on some of your comments, I’m virtually certain you do almost no traveling, and you certainly haven’t
Spent any significant time in the South. Your comments on marijuana suggested you have no close contacts who smoke. And when you talk about your outside contacts, it is mostly your family and your online contacts at HHR. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but who else do you know has time to do an extensive analysis on all Senate and gubernatorial races, or for that matter on Keith. Just saying – don’t think that this doesn’t come through in your writings.
The attacks on Obama’s birth certificate didn’t make sense either. But tbey certainly happened from Republicans.
Trump picked the birther thing up and ran with it….
He’s LOUDER….
Hogan Pushes for Change In Republican Party
Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) released a video on Monday calling for the Republican Party to chart a new path forward in the years ahead.
Hogan doesn’t have a prayer….
Dave Wasserman
@Redistrict
Thoughts on Hogan 2024: most R voters view him as a D.
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thoughts on hogan 2024
*the top three finishers in 2016 were trump, cruz and rubio. moderate lane is narrow
*GOP got close in the EC in 2020, may not need/want a trad “electability” candidate
*wishy-washy on abortion prob isn’t great in a GOP primary https://washingtonpost.com/politics/i-havent-abandoned-my-principles-hogan-pondering-challenge-to-trump-casts-himself-as-a-traditional-republican/2019/03/17/3862b274-48d3-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html…
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Apologize?? Really?? That’s the old Dog Whistle Shuffle.
Someone from the campaign makes an outrageous statement like, “I wish Obama could learn how to be an American” and the statement gets the desired reaction from the ignorant racist Republican base, and the candidate who benefited disavows the comment. The Sununu statement made the front page, not the apology. That’s how it works and has worked for 50 years. Obama was other, not even an American — the message was delivered.
Romney never did get around to denouncing Trump’s claim that Obama wasn’t born in this country now did he? Don’t remember him ever asking Trump to correct the record either as a candidate in 2012 or when Trump was using this dog whistle to secure the Republican nomination.
Zreebs is totally correct about the Bush’s campaign to take down McCain in South Carolina with the “black baby” accusation. Bush was even overheard saying they were going after McCain but under the radar right after he got his ass beat in New Hampshire. What form do we think that “take down” took? It was well established that this rumor of a black child went viral throughout South Carolina during the 2000 Republican Primary. What candidate did that rumor benefit? Shades of Willie Horton right? The campaign uses racist tactics but the candidate has plausible deniability. Didn’t order up the smear, but sure did benefit from it. Like Father, like Son.
Jack will tell us that the Republicans have been doing this shit for years in the South. Why, because is works.
Why anyone would try after all these years to continue to deny a political tactic that has proven results (just wait until this month in Georgia) is beyond me.
Yes …Republican have problem with using racism to achieve their goals….
THAT?
IS a fact….
I’ve tangled with CG over this for years.
I’ve lived in S.C. my entire life.I was a Teenager during the segregation days ?I Road on segregated buses .I went to segregated schools.I ate at lunch counters where Blacks had to stand behind me to order a burger and go outside to eat it.My generation is the last to actually remember these things.I thoroughly understand the legacy of Race in the south and it’s use in political campaigns.
He reads some stuff online and pronounces it as fact.
Zreebs is correct.It was widely believed in S.C. and certainly among those in the McCain campaign that the Bush campaign and Rove in particular were responsible for those racial attacks.
Agreed Zreebs. Trump nearly ruined our Republic and in 2024 it will have been 20 years since a Republican not named Trump won the White House. The idea that Democrats would risk another Trump nomination because every other Republican (Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush) is such an electoral powerhouses is ludicrous.
Republicans are terrible at winning the Presidency in recent times. Trump–while terrible as a human being and President– is more successful than most Republicans in electoral regards.
Your last remark, Zreebs, made me realize that the last undefeated Republican candidate, i.e. the last never to have lost the popular vote, is Ronald Reagan.
Both Bushes, Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Donald Trump have all lost the popular vote at least once (as did Barry Goldwater and Gerald Ford).
Sorry, Scott’s last remark, not Zreebs’.
And I’d forgotten that Nixon lost the popular vote once (narrowly) as well as won it (both narrowly and overwhelmingly).
So the only Republican presidential candidates in the last 90 years who have always won more popular votes than any of their Democratic opponents are Eisenhower and Reagan.
Hoover (1932), Landon, Willkie, Dewey (j1944 & 1948), IKE, Nixon (1960), Goldwater, Ford, REAGAN, GHW Bush (1992), Dole, GW Bush (2000), McCain, Romney, Trump (2016 & 2020).
Self pled criminal ,former National Security Advisor,and 2016 Republican convention speaker Michael Flynn ,who led the rabble in cries of “lock her up” has called for Trump to suspend the Constitution and invoke martial law.
What say ye…Rush, Sean, Lou, Tucker, Laura???
“With a fresh presidential pardon still warm, former national security advisor Michael Flynn has called on Donald Trump to suspend the constitution and declare martial law for the military to run a new election,” The Independent reports.
Politicalwire…
How does my tiny little deep-blue New England state produce so many of these characters ?
Pat Toomey, Sean Spicer, Michael Flynn
Of course South Dakota gave us Karl Mundt and Kristi Noem.
And John Pastore, Theodore F. Green, the Chafees and Jack Reed also came from Rhode Island, while both George McGovern and Hubert Humphrey were both born in South Dakota.
You should add in Buddy Cianci
How could I forget our Buddy, the Prince of Providence?
I live a block away from Federal Hill, the heart of Italian-American Providence, where Buddy is still fondly remembered.
He would have been returned to the Mayoralty in 2014 (a year before his death) had it non been that the working and middle class vote in the North, South and West Sides of Providence been overwhelmed by the huge turnout on the affluent East Side, home to professors, professionals and executives.
Had you seen him in person (as I have) you’d think him a much-more-intelligent, far-more-flexible and much savvier version of Donald Trump without the more extreme Caesarean ambitions. (Buddy knew how to lose elections as well as win them, how to bargain as well as how to intimidate.)
I don’t know how serious Trump is abbout 2024, it does keep him in the news and it does ultimately keep him getting money to his coffers…And that is where it is for him, how can he get money…
If a 2024 runs looks profitable for him he will do it…imagine, the con artist can do fundraisers for 4 years while Biden is presidency, that is like having the golden goose…All the while he will wield a very powerful base support that bullies the weak hearted Republicans into following him…
The Trump juice is running out fast….
Most Don’t Want Trump to Run Again
A new NPR/PBS Newshour/Marist poll finds 60% of voters don’t want Donald Trump to run for president again in 2024, while 32% think he should.
Sahil Kapur
@sahilkapur
Mitch McConnell says he would “absolutely” support Donald Trump in 2024 if he won the party’s nomination.
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Mitch would support Ted Bundy if he wore the letter ‘R’. Why is this even news?
(Please remember the ‘IF’ part..)