Some people where afraid of this….
The U.S. is vaccinating an average of only 200,000 people a day against Covid-19, and many states have used just a small percentage of the shipments sent to them this month.
Data gathered from states and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services show that while Operation Warp Speed has distributed millions of doses, some states have been slow to get them into people’s arms. The nation almost certainly won’t hit the Trump administration’s goal of 20 million vaccinations by year-end, according to a Bloomberg News analysis.
The CDC’s latest tally, as of Monday, showed that despite the distribution of 11.45 million doses from Moderna Inc., and from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE, just 2.13 million people had gotten shots. That represents about 20% of early allocations. Oregon has used only 15.3% of its supply, Ohio 14.3% and Maryland 10.9%.
Officials blame a delicate vaccine with complex storage requirements, uncertainty over the supply of doses and strain on local health agencies already facing historic challenges….
As I’ve said before,only to be contradicted by you know who,Biden must concentrate like a laser beam on this.
Talk about the economy(which is inextricably bound up in this virus) and other legislative programs etc. will take second place to getting this virus under control.Until it is?The economy will continue to lag.That shouldn’t be a difficult concept for any but the purposefully dense to comprehend.
It’s issue numero uno.
And yes any damn fool understands that the President does all sorts of things?OK?
The point is that this will be his main focus in the early days of his administration.
On Dec 5 Republican Congressman Elect Luke Letlow said we need to open the economy and “learn to live in a Covid world”.
Three and a half weeks later Letlow is dead of Covid at 41.
Britain on Wednesday became the first country to authorize a coronavirus vaccine from the University of Oxford and the British-Swedish pharmaceutical firm AstraZeneca, adding a second shot to the fight against a surging outbreak here driven by a highly infectious variant of the virus….
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His campaign Twitter Feed is filled with pictures of him campaigning sans mask. I guess he didn’t learn.
Will the Republicans learn from the tragedy?
Trump got it and lived. That’s all the cult Republican Party cares about.
Nevertheless a tragic waste for his family…..
It may be that some states have seen it wiser to reserve half the doses [when physically possible] for second shots for the people they’re vaccinating now, rather than to trust that Op. Warp Speed’s deliveries will match its current ones.
Or maybe that’s already included in the current CDC statistics.
You’re being kind DSD….
Brooke Balwin over at CNN had a nurse on from the MidWest….
She related how as soon as her hospital group sent out a memo for sign up’s staff away from the virus daily op signed up and rushed to get their shots….
Another problem is the Pfizer vaccine cannot be involved by smaller places due to it’s cold handling….
The Moderna vaccine will be used more widely due to it’s abilbity to be used at less cold temp’s it is behind the curve in shipping…
Finally?
Biden is gonna HAVE TO involve the Fed’s more actively in the whole virus operation…
Some states have the ability to deal with this….
Some simply do NOT….
It’s free for all because our President doesn’t want to get involved….
As is not unusual, James, you’re discussing everything except the point I was making.
As for the staff caring directly for Covid-19 patients rushing to get vaccinated, that’s clearly the right thing to for several reasons: e.g. not catching the virus themselves when they’re the most-nakedly exposed, not spreading the virus out from the Covid wards (e.g. to their own families) when they’re the most likely to do so.
Absolutely Jack….
Going forward will have challenges
It’s also time to talk about going forward.
We are now being told that persons who get vaccinated should still practice mask wearing and social distancing because it has not been determined whether the vaccine has any effect on transmission of the virus.
Ok.
I presume this is to protect those who haven’t bern vaccinated.
Yet, I have heard no discussion of what happens when vaccinations are generally available .In other words when you can just walk in a pharmacy and get one.This should happen by late spring or early summer.Accordingly, by then,transmissibility is an issue for the unvaccinated.
The question occurs,how “concerned” should a vaccinated person be about those who ,of their own volition ,refuse to be vaccinated ,i e, “anti vaxxers?”In my view “sympathy” for those who refuse to be vaccinated will likely rapidly diminish and people who have bern vaccinated will be less likely to practice masking and social distancing.
I expect that once the vaccine us readily available businesses will open back up to full capacity.
I think in the short term certain businesses that open back up like concert venues will require proof of vaccination–as will airlines and hotels.
The anti vaxxers will bitch about it, in fact a few of my anti mask acquaintances have already started complaining that requiring proof of vaccination is some major infringement on their liberty. Jerkoffs.
Full capacity might look very different than before….
I just do not see a return to EVERYBODY working IN The office anymore…
Remote can and will result in smaller business office foot prints for sure
Well office capacity is a whole other issue than arts entertainment and dining.
If my boss thinks they can save money by moving all or most work functions to work from home my guess is he will do it.
Indeed Scott…
Some function will come back…
But the longer this goes on?
The more there will be a change in business, work habits, real estate and tax revenue for government….
One woukd the Arts and Dinning would recover although it seems outdoor dinner IS continuing in some urban areas even with the cold weather…
Around my way indoor dining is still available with distance and capacity restrictions ….
Good point Jack….
Everyone is looking for the chance to go back to normal.
Wearing a mask for the rest of ur life is NOT gonna happen.
Hopefully the ‘herd immunity’ from virus vaccines will help to get us back to sone sort of normality….
The warmer weather will also helped fir a few month’s
No they’re not.
And if I’m told that I need to continue wearing a mask because certain people refuse to get vaccinated?
The mask will come off.
Yea….
People can’t be doing this forever…
Vaccine shot will be a challenge come the summer when they are available to the general public…..
There will be pressure to make the shots mandatory….
That is gonna cause problems…
I don’t think they will become “mandatory” by government action.
However, I can see numerous businesses ,airlines etc requiring proof of vaccination.
The “free enterprise “ system in action!
Yep. Then suddenly all the knuckle draggers who wanted all businesses to reopen will bitch about them reopening with a vaccination requirement.
This is making it to top of the list OVERthe 60’s….
Actress Dawn Wells ,who played MaryAnn on the iconic 60s comedy show,”Gilligans Island,” has died of COVID related illness at the age of 82.
In this point I agree with Jack…Biden is in a difficult position, because honestly I would like to see him and his team holding weekly round table press conferences explaining how when he takes office his plan will be different to get the vaccines out…
1. The plan will consist of getting the vaccines shipped to the states and money to set up specific locations will be established on day one…
2. Keep wearing a mask until we achieve heard immunity and can get back to the warmer weather when we can be outside where the virus does not transmit well
3. Just because you get the shot…you need to wait for immunity…full effectiveness of the vaccine doesn’t come until 10 days after your second dose. So don’t go being superman prior to that second dose…
4. we aren’t sure that once you have the vaccine you can’t be a transmitter of the disease so keep wearing that mask in public for a while, in private around people you know, you are good, especially if they all been vaccinated…
5. How the F are we ever going to get anything passed with McConnell in the Senate who will not work with anyone…
Ok ?
But here’s the counter….
Once he would do such a thing?
His WHOLE Presidency becomes the virus pandemic….
Great?
The economy falls on the wayside because NOBODY cares about it…
It’s just the virus…
The jobless numb era climb
Except China keeps getting bigger….
Immigration goes on but nobody cares….
Climate change becomes a back page….
Trump moves to the front page because Biden is talking about something he has little control over that CPULD be getting worst…
Progressives are hard at work doing what Trump did to the GOP….
And I CAN go on and ON….
I understand Jack’s point that the VIRUS IS job # One…..
You can agree with him….
But the country and the world does NOT stop for one minute….
President Biden MUST immediately wrestle the control of the vaccine back to the Fed’s who have the ability to see things Nation wide….
They MUST look top expand the Moderna vaccine above the Pfizer vaccine stock because Modenera’s vaccine can be sent anywhere to be given…
Pfizer ‘s cannot …
Agreed mask wearing MUST be pushed…
Agreed first shot is 50%…second is up around 95%…
The question of vaccine transmittal MUST be addressed immediately…
Dems’need a ‘W’ on Georgia x TWO….
But even without it?
JOE Biden and Kamala Harris need to go HARD on their governance….
With the pandemic…
But ALSO….
With the million OTHER things that will NOT wait for a pandemic to go away…
Biden campaigned for the job and task….
You still don’t understand that the virus is the,BY FAR, major cause of our economic problems.You act as if they are seperate issues Theyre NOT.Until the virus is brought under control there will be no sustained economic improvement.Biden understands that.Indeed, it hard to understand why you don’t.
As for “the world?” If you haven’t noticed except in a very few places, the entire world is in the grips of this virus.I find it simply incredible that anyone with the least discernment doesn’t comprehend such.
You talked yesterday about “healthcare.l Chuckled.You reallybelieve Congress is going to address healthcare with this pandemic raging and thousands of people dying daily, hospitals bulging at the seams ,vaccine problems galore?Thats absurd.
In many ways you are similiar to the Republican virus deniers.You at least concede it’s a problem unlike them.Then, however, you want to sort of wish it away.Would that things were that simple.
Get this virus under control,other things will happen .Until then, except for the ordinary functions of government,nothing of legislative significance will.
I don’t expect that proof of vaccination will be commonplace.
Until it is determined that vaccinated people can’t spread the virus, what is the point of an airline requiring proof of vaccination?
And as the virus continues to mutate, it seems likely that the vaccine will be providing less than 95% protection. And how valuable is this proof of vaccination when i assume it can be relatively easily forged?
In the short term and maybe even the long term, it will be far more practical to require people to wear a mask than to require proof of vaccination.
Like Jack said….
If the infection numbers drop steeply and the vaccine people are major numbers?
Mask wearing will decline
People always will have rhe option…
Of course. Who doesn’t know that?
As is often the case, your comment has nothing to do with my point. Apologies that you didn’t understand me.
Biden wants masks for AT LEAST 100 days out from Jan 20…..
He cannot order that for anywhere except Federal property and employee’s…
It is up to the governors…
We weren’t talking about the Federal Government requiring a mask. Businesses can require a mask – or even attire that they think is appropriate.
But again my point was that I don’t think that businesses will require proof of vaccination. Certainly, the Federal Government won’t require such proof.
We’ll see….
In NY the mask wearing is required by the NYS Gov executive order…
It IS mandated …
THAT covers the businesses…
To go to school in NYS students are required to have certain vaccinations…
On the vaccines in NYC?
We ALREADY have some some first responders REFUSING to get the shots….
NYC teachers bargained to require testing….
There is a hodgepodge of regulations according to local and state officials…
It IS a hot mess….
The Governor’s would like Biden’s people to give them some help and support, but as u suggest NOT mandates
More on the Trump abdication of duty regarding the virus…
In suburban Milwaukee, clinicians recently discarded 500 doses of coronavirus vaccine after vials were “intentionally” left unrefrigerated. In southeastern Arizona, a rural clinic has enough shots but too few employees lining up to take them. And on the coast of Maine, physicians have been left in the dark about when they will get vaccinated.
The largest immunization campaign in U.S. history is off to a slow start, dimming hopes, at the end of a dismal year, of an imminent return to normal.
In some places, the vaccination campaign — among the most complex logistical efforts initiated in peacetime — has been marked by chaos and confusion. Many medical workers who believe they should have priority access are finding that inoculation remains elusive. And most states moved into the third week of immunization not yet beginning to get shots to long-term care facilities, which have been epicenters of infection…
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It’s happening all over again. For months, Americans who despaired about the country’s coronavirus-suppression efforts looked desperately to the arrival of a vaccine for a kind of pandemic deliverance. Now that it has arrived, miraculously fast, we are failing utterly to administer it with anything like the urgency the pace of dying requires — and, perhaps most maddeningly, failing in precisely the same way as we did earlier in the year. That is, out of apparent, near-total indifference….
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Jim Acosta
@Acosta
Biden inaugural committee planning national covid unity and remembrance event on January 19: “inviting cities and towns around the country to join Washington in illuminating buildings and ringing church bells at 5:30 p.m. ET in a national moment of unity and remembrance.”
Gothamist
@Gothamist
Mayor Bill de Blasio committed to administering 1 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine in New York City by the end of January.
The New York Times
@nytimes
The vaccine rollout in the U.S. has been slow, federal health officials acknowledged on Wednesday. They said they did not have a clear understanding of why only a fraction of the doses that had been shipped out around the country have been administered.
Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
The next few weeks and months are going to be a very tough period for our nation — maybe the toughest of the whole pandemic.
But we are going to get through it. Brighter days are coming, but it’s going to take all the grit and determination we have as Americans to do it.
It’s time that states that are mandating that the vaccine be given only to “medical personnel and nursing home residents “ quickly revisit that policy.
Apparently many “medical personnel” are refusing the vaccine and many nursing home residents can’t be vaccinated because they are not competent to sign a release.
Accordingly, those states should ASAP make the resulting surplus vaccine available to older folks or even younger folks with pre existing conditions .The purpose is to get as many people vaccinated as possible.
This restrictive roll out ,while well meaning ,did not account for those who wont or can’t cooperate.This is a national emergency and innovation ,not a bureaucratic rule ,is called for.
My evidence here is anecdotal, but in my work I speak with doctors and other medical professionals every day and I haven’t run across any yet who have told me they would refuse the vaccine.
Of my family and friends I know quite a few who are medical personnel, mostly nurses. All but one has either received the vaccine or plans to. The one who said she would hold off is not an anti-vax or anti-mask person by any stretch. She said she just wants to wait.
Again, just anecdotal–but I have heard about some who work in the medical field who are not keen on the vaccine.
I agree with Jack. If they are refusing it’s time to open it up to others who are waiting and willing.
Washington Post Out with an opinion piece stating vaccine rollout a debacle because no one is in charge at the top…While the President is off Golfing and Vacationing in Florida no Vaccines are getting delivered…he chews out his people for saying something against him, but how about using that heft to get actual work done…I wouldn’t mind a Donald Rant on why the Vaccine isn’t roling out faster, but he can’t cause it is his administration that is in charge of rolling it out…Biden I hope has a good handle on the vaccine role out effort by day one…
Biden is a Politician and not a logistics guy…I hope he has many logistics folks ready to deploy day one to get this shit out effectively, accurately and methodically…and add a touch of common sense and flexibility as Jack Suggests…
Israel Vaccinates 10% of Population
“Israel became the first country Friday to have provided the first dose of the coronavirus vaccine to 10 percent of its population,” the Times of Israel reports.
Not to diminish an important achievement, but 10% of which population?, besides Israel being a far easier country to cover than the U.S., Brazil or Congo-Kinshasa (or for that matter the Russian Federation or China-Beijing as opposed to China-Taipei)..