Forget Donald Trump trying a comeback….
Forbers is out with piece that has signals that the Trump family might be thinking of a new political dynasty?
I would assume these guys will need to clean up their looming legal issues when Dady does own the Justice Department?
And?
Are Republicans gonna subject themselves to this stuff AGAIN?
Finally?
Anyone thing other Republicans are gonna let these guys just run over them like their farther did?
President Trump’s two eldest sons, Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, both of whom have been deeply involved in their father’s reelection campaign, broke with the “Keep America Great” message on Saturday to hint at their own runs in 2024, as polls show their father heavily disfavored to win reelection.
KEY FACTS
Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son who helps run the Trump Organization as an executive vice president and has been one of his father’s most active surrogates this year, posted a photo of a “Don Jr. 2024” flag to instagram.
Donald Trump Jr. wrote that it will “make liberal heads explode” and that “to whomever made [the sign] thanks for the compliment… but let’s get through 2020 with a big win first.”
Eric Trump, also an executive vice president at the Trump Organization and a Trump campaign surrogate, liked a tweet on Saturday reading “Eric Trump 2024,” a move some commentators recognized as roughly equivalent to his brother’s instagram post.
The hints come as their father faces an increasingly uphill reelection battle, trailing Democratic candidate Joe Biden by 8 points nationally in the RealClearPolitics average with just 10 days until the election and over 50 million votes already cast.
Trump’s sons are far from the only Trump-allies dipping their toes into 2024 before the ink is dry on Trump’s reelection campaign, with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo visiting Iowa in July and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) making frequent tripsto New Hampshire….
image… (L-R) Eric Trump, Donald Trump Jr. and Tiffany Trump look on as U.S. … [+] GETTY IMAGES
The Republicans deserve these two dumbasses.
But what if Trump Sr thinks he’s the 2nd coming of Grover Cleveland and runs again? With the state of the GOP I would not count that out.
I could be wrong Scott
But Donald Trump will have worn out his welcome come Nov4th….
I doubt his kids will be serious contenders either 4 years from now…
They are NOT their father who is about to be ‘leaked’ all over ….
If DJT, Sr, couldn’t pull off a Grover Cleveland in the GOP, perhaps he could run again on a third-party ticket (hopefully with equally disappointing results), as did Martin Van Buren (won as D, 1836,, lost as D, 1840, ran for Liberty Party 1848).
[The Liberty Party had hoped to run a transpartisan ticket of John Quincy Adams (unseated in 1828 as a Natl Repub, later Whig), for President in 1848, together with the unseated Democrat Van Buren for VP, but Adams died with his boots on in the House of Representatives in 1847, so the Liberty Party instead ran Van Buren for Pres. and J.Q. Adams’ son Charles Francis Adams for VP.]
Theodore Roosevelt and Millard Fillmore also ran again for third parties, but T.R. didn’t seek re-election in 1908 before running as a Progressive in 1912, while Fillmore was unable to secure the Whig nomination in 1852 before running again as a Whig and a Know-Nothing (American Party) in 1856.
John Adams, Benjamin Harrison, Wm Howard Taft, Herbert Hoover, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush did not run again after losing re-election after their first terms.
Gerald Ford strongly considered running for President again in 1980, but declined. He then almost accepted the Vice Presidency (agaim) at the RNC im summer 1980 but again declined.
I think in 1991 when a lot of Democrats thought GHW Bush would sail to a 2nd term there was talk of running Jimmy Carter as a sacrificial lamb–presumably with a younger VP candidate who could then run in 1996 since the Democrats were destined to lose in 92.
Obviously that didn’t happen and I don’t think Carter showed any interest in the proposition.
I don’t know if Trump would run again if defeated;however, as I’ve often stated,I don’t see him going quietly into that good night.
I think he will try to stay involved in some manner .
Trump IS trying to start up a media company I believe….
Anybody here want lend him the money?
Remember all the times before 2016 that Trump talked about running only to back out–sucking up all the oxygen in the GOP? I could see him doing that each cycle till he shuffles this mortal coil. And he will always have fans in the Republican Party.
The others vying for the job in the party are NOT gonna just let the Trump kids walk in and take over….
Who said they were?
The linked piece goes into the imiplied idea that the sons could or would try ….
I do NOT agree with this….
Trump losing will make him passe’ in my view….
Trump even worries about losing himself…Mused about leaving the country…
And his kids will be shoved aside I believe….
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Trump’s Grip on GOP Will Remain Even If He Loses
“Donald Trump’s hold on the Republican Party is something few could have imagined when he launched what seemed an unlikely bid for the 2016 nomination,” USA Today reports.
“But even if Trump loses reelection Tuesday, his grip on the GOP is now strong enough that it could take some time before the party figures out a path forward.”
Said GOP consultant Brendan Buck: “I do not think this is a party that is ready to grapple with what it’s been doing or reassess itself anytime soon,”
Politcalwire…
Unless he goes to prison and they take his phone away from him he won’t go away.
Now I know you and Corey hope he will, but he won’t. His fans are the base of the Republican Party, he is talking to the Fox audience and will continue to do so.
Your view has always been wrong on this.
Take away the phone…..
He’ll leave….
H. Keith, whatever you do the next five days, stay away from swing voters! Far far away! You may be Trump’s last shot to win… stay in the wine cave!
I don’t think Trump will exit the scene quickly.
However, I guess we will see what the Republican Party really is, if he loses.
Will all those “red hat wearing bootlickers” simply toss those hats away and bid him farewell or will they cheer him on as he lies his way through his defeat blaming everyone in sight for his loss?
How about the Republican Senators and House members?How far will they go in supporting or at least tolerating his fantasies about a “stolen “ election?
Of course, he could win in which case????.
I understand that for longtime tribalists who have been fighting the Republican Party since before Trump had bone spurs that these are shaping up as glory days for all you stand for and you would never want it to end. I get that.
However, Trump is easy to predict. Once he reaches the phase where he cannot deny defeat, he will turn on the Republican Party publicly, he will turn on his own supporters, he will blame everyone but himself.
The cultists that will stay with are the same people who were not voting Republican before Trump and would not be expected to stay with him.
The soft cultists or the reluctant cultists will leave him. Many will be surprised that he lost and perhaps lost big and will be spooked by it. They will question the entire era and move on to whatever or whomever is next in line to “fight the liberals”, but that will not be Trump. Of course it is up in the air where the party might go, but after big losses, parties always tend to regroup.
Trump will be too busy fighting “those who betrayed him” than to focus on the liberals. As soon as he is gone and can be of no use transactionally (nominating judges, etc), the masses have no use for him.
Hey CG?
He HAS at several stops told crowds he wouldn’t be visiting their cities….
It wasn’t a compliment….
Actually Corey Ray I was planning to go back to Cleveland and find that fat woman and ask her if she still wanted to have Trump grab her by the pussy.
In reality I will be working on voter turnout in Pennsylvania and helping organize over 3,000 lawyers from DC who will be helping with ballot security to overcome Republican voter suppression activity. You know, the thing Republicans are busy with in states like PA, Minnesota, and Texas. Trump was tweeting last night to his new judges on the Supreme Court ordering them to deliver the election to him.
Republicans are going to be actively carrying weapons in Michigan. Today they will be packing into “super spreader” rallies all over the midwest. They cheer his suggestion that Biden be killed and believe his claims about Hunter Biden. They will follow this asshole anywhere.
So why do we think that they will leave him if and when he is out of office? This is a fantasy that has been propagated here for four years. It wasn’t true then, it isn’t true now. The Republican Party created Trump, why would they desert their own creation.
It is simply the biggest political wet dream in history to think that this racist piece of shit won’t have outsized influence over a huge swath of racist pieces of shit in the red states. If you believe otherwise I have a bridge for you.
You can certainly relate to Trump better than anyone else. That’s for sure.
I can relate to Trump? Didn’t take long for you to get personal now did it Corey?
I have stuff to do for the campaign, done with the fundraising and on to Election Day stuff.
Have a good day everyone. I will try to keep everyone updated on what is happening in the field this weekend.
Thank You Keith,..
it’s stopped raining ..
Voting lines will be back…..
I agree with you on this james. He has been choreographing this for months… “i’ll never talk to you people again…. “if I lose this state, you are all idiots”,.. and recently even saying he would leave the country if he lost.
No, he is not going to be trying to keep these people on his side.
Just look at how Jared talked about the party openly to Bob Woodward on the tapes that got released this week.
He admits it was a “hostile takeover.” They are proud of it.. understandably so I suppose.
The idea that a defeated and embittered former President Trump, if he is even a free man, would be some kind of “elder statesman” in the R party moving forward is just kind of goofy, although I do not blame lifelong Democrats for not wanting that gravy train to end.
Now, the Q Party… perhaps they will have their guy.
Yes
Jared like his father in law has contempt for democracy ….
For normalcy ….
Donald Trump the King will rule?
That while his subjects are expected to give praise to their leader and present gifts for his collection and amusement …
Actually Van Buren was the candidate of the Free Soil Party in 1848.The Free Soilers were a merger between the Liberty Party and anti slavery Democrats and Whigs.
The Party was subsumed in the emerging Republican Party in 1854.
I’d be surprised if GOP candidates in 2022 primaries aren’t calling themselves “Trump Republicans”
No, but the Democrats in 2022 will be referring to the GOP candidates that way.
Sure they will.
Why wouldn’t they?
I WOULD BE surprised….
Unless Trump wins?
WTF would u be saying ur following a ‘loser’????
Guys?
If he loses?
Donald Trump IS gonna shit all over the Grand Ole Party that he did a hostile takeover on….
He don’t like people in the party
He couldn’t give a shit about anyone but himself….
I’ll bet he’ll knock the voters in the party for letting him lose….
The guy is about himself ….
NOT ABOUT THE ‘Party’
Sure he will.
So?
His followers will Agree with him and say they need to cleanse the party of people like Mitt Romney and assorted other “Rinos.”
I see the Trumpists morphing into a group like the “Tea Party.”They will alledge all sorts of conspiracies and bash Republicans they suspect of having been insufficiently supportive of Trump.
Their strength?Remains to be seen.
The more likely think is that Trump tries to start his own party because Republicans are “hopeless.”
Are all the Republican elected officials across the country going to willingly break up the entire party to go with him? I think we know better than that.
Even more likely though is that Trump is mostly focused on keeping his ass off trial or out of prison and perhaps goes into “exile.”
All?
No
Some?
Sure.
Indeed,as aRepublican ,you ought to hope he remains in the Party.Will he be an irritant?
Yes, but if you are correct that most Republicans will quickly reject him after a defeat,then he will gradually fade away as a power,while leaving his followers ,who would likely rally around another Trump like figure ,but one likely unable to do much further damage to the party .
So Members of Congress, who are already going to be in the Minority, are going to officially leave the Republican Party to join Trump’s new effort, where they would be by far the smallest of the three parties in Congress and have no Committee assignments, etc?
No, almost all of the people who get elected to these offices are pragmatic enough to focus on their own survival. That’s going to go for the ones who are going to insist that they were rightfully elected on all the ballots Trump is going to claim are fraudulent.
I don’t want him to stay in the party. It’s way too early to know if I will be a Republican for the long-term or not, I hope so, but I have told you many times that the “Civil War” is going to need to happen sooner or later and that people who do not renounce things such as Q-Anon, etc need to be purged for the rest of us to ever be on the same side.
Then again?
People like you might be “purged.”
I self-purged four years ago.
People like me will have to survey the Hurricane damage and see if we have a house to go back to or try to rebuild.
Well at various times here you have identified yourself as a “Republican.”
You don’t seem to have gone as far as the Lincoln Project which is not only trying to defeat Trump but also incumbent Republican Senators.
I think you identified me the other day as “fatalistic” or something similiar.I am.It seems like you are too.
For instance I’m not celebrating Trumps defeat yet!
I said I was a disaffected Republican (who wound up going a lot further with my vote than I expected to) who was separated from the party but that if Trump wins, I would finalize the divorce.
It doesn’t look like he is going to win. So, those dumb bastards who had their affair with him and I are going to have to go through some therapy to see if this marriage can be saved.
As for Republican Senators and Congresspeople, etc, I am finding myself among those rooting against them and wanting to see deserved carnage. On Election Night, I am probably going to find myself hoping they lose out of emotion (especially all the ones I am predicting to lose because I want to brag about how awesome I am at predicting elections). However, I also have to consider my head as well as my heart and think that such a result would not be in the best interest of what I want to see for the country going forward.
The vast majority of his “followers” will eventually hitch their wagon to whatever vehicle exists as the alternative to the Democrats. Basically, whomever gets nominated for President. Sure, there will probably be some ugly primaries along the way.
If nothing else though, 2016 and 2020 proved the old adage was definitely true, Republicans really do “fall in line.”
Oh yes, they will remain Republicans.
That has been my point all along..
And sure they will support whomever the Republican nominee is in 2024.
And there will be efforts by Republican would be presidential aspirants (see Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton) to coopt these people.
Cruz and Cotton may have a lot of problems and a lot lot of electoral liabilities, but clearly you can see they have some pretty major differences from Trump.
Cruz is pretty much a laughingstock among the base though. His national aspirations are over. I expect Cotton will run. He doesn’t have the kind of personality to win people over though.
If I had to guess today who the most likely 2024 Republican nominee is, I would say Nikki Haley. Long way to go though.
Nikki Haley ….
If it weren’t for Mark Sanford?She would likely still be a backbencher in the S.C. State Legislature.
Yeah they aren’t Trump but I think both will try to coopt his followers.
As for Cruz being a “laughingstock?”Sounds like the definition of Trump himself when he announced his president candidacy .
and if it werent for a guy named Emil Jones, whom you probably have not heard of, none of you might have ever heard of Barack Obama.
Not a fan of Cotton or Cruz for President and do not want to see that as the direction, but literally, there is nowhere to go but up after Trump, unless someone seriously wants to suggest that Donald Trump Jr is a factor.. He is not.
Republicans for years after Barry Goldwaters landslide loss proudly declared themselves “ Goldwater Republicans .”Sixteen years later one of them was elected President.
I would actually need to see some kind of backup of people calling themselves “Goldwater Republicans” immediately after 1964.
Perhaps after Reagan won in 1980, some started using that, but there was some time in between.
Democrats in 1982 or 1990 were not calling themselves “Proud Carter Democrats” or “Proud Dukakis Democrats.” They still aren’t, except perhaps for “Sunlover” from the P1 days who loved Dukakis.
The Democrat base as it exists now are loathe to want to have anything to do with Bill Clinton. The Republican base sadly as it exists now has completely rejected the Bushes.
“The people” are less sentimental than us election junkies may realize unless perhaps as it comes to transformational figures who were President for two terms such as Reagan or Obama and who had high personal popularity numbers (if not JA in the latter case) when they left and who take on a near mythical status. I do not see that happening with Trump.
Oh they certainly were in the south .I heard it many times.
But if you don’t believe me?
I couldn’t care less.
1966 and 68? Yes, i was not alive then. It would have been limited to states he won perhaps. Nationally, the party went in a different direction in the short term.
Goldwaterism was about an ideology though (that he was not the best messenger for). Trumpism is mostly about a Cult of Personality. People throughout the party dropped all sorts of previous issue positions and principles, just to be on his team. It is just as likely they flip again for a new team
That’s right.
You weren’t.
I was.
If there was ever an appropriate time to drop an “Ok, Boomer……”
I note there is irony that in 1968 when there was unrest in Miami Beach at the Republican Convention, my parents were in Chicago getting ready for a wedding, and then when there was all kinds of unrest in Chicago at the Democrat Convention, they were apparently in Miami Beach on their honeymoon.
I totally believe that Republicans running in the South in the late 60s would refer to themselves as “Goldwater Republicans”. He won landslide victories in 5 Deep South states in 1964.
It doesn’t look like Goldwater even had a role at the 1968 Republican Convention.
Of course those who allowed Goldwater to win the southern states he did in 1964, gravitated towards George Wallace. They were not considering themselves Republicans then. Those who were actual Republicans in the South in the 60 were probably more likely to be transplanted Yankees or country club types like George Bush.
Strom Thurmond did switch to become a Republican around this time, but he was all for Nixon in 1968, even as Goldwater’s top ’64 surrogate, Governor Reagan, attempted a run.
When Reagan ran in 1966 in California, I doubt he was calling himself a “Goldwater Republican.” He did have Nixon campaign for him and Nixon was the most popular campaigner for the party in the 1966 midterms and he was hardly considered a Goldwater Republican. Of course, he was the “consensus choice” for many who did not want to turn the party over to the Rockefeller Republicans.