Consensus ?
“Shit Show’*
Donald Trump doing his typical lying, bullying myopic self…..
NY Times…
On Tuesday, Mr. Wallace faced harsh reviews as viewers assessed his performance on social media. “Moderate this debate — now,” Michael Beschloss, the presidential historian, demanded on Twitter 15 minutes in, speaking for a large swath of the political class.
In a brute-force style, Mr. Trump flouted the agreed-upon ground rules and refused to allow Mr. Biden his two minutes to respond to questions, leaving Mr. Wallace yelping at one point, “Let him answer!”
Not satisfied with merely speaking over his Democratic opponent, Mr. Trump took aim at the moderator, too, repeatedly scolding Mr. Wallace. “I guess I’m debating you, not him, but that’s OK, I’m not surprised,” Mr. Trump said after one Wallace query he disliked.
The debate had no breaks. But at the midway point, perhaps sensing that Mr. Trump was threatening to steamroll the event, Mr. Wallace did something unusual for a presidential moderator: He effectively called the debate to a temporary halt.
“The country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions,” Mr. Wallace said, directly asking Mr. Trump to yield a higher civic ideal. “I’m appealing to you, sir, to do it.”…..
Washington Post…
Biden’s strategy was also clear: To stick to his talking points, try not to engage much, and not give Trump what he wanted.
Biden lost his cool at a few points, including asking, “Will you shut up?” At another point: “It’s hard to get anywhere with this clown — excuse me, this person.” At another: “Keep yapping, man.”
Biden was clearly exasperated at times, and at other times he dealt with it effectively. At one point Trump tried to cut in by saying, “Can I be honest?” Biden shot back: “Try and be honest.”
Biden didn’t allow him to be pulled off his game. And he notably avoided some of the senior and uneasy moments which
It wasn’t an enlightening debate from a policy standpoint, but that was in large part because Trump wanted a foodfight. Biden mostly didn’t give it to him, which much like Trump’s approach reinforced the reality of who’s winning and who’s not….
Fox News…
President Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden kicked off their first fiery presidential debate sparring over everything from the Supreme Court nomination, coronavirus and Biden’s sons, with Fox News moderator Chris Wallace admonishing Trump several times for interrupting.
Wallace scolded Trump repeatedly for not following the debate rules by interrupting and the veteran newsman often played the role of a wrestling referee rather than a moderator.
“I hate to raise my voice, but why should I be different than the two of you,” Wallace said.
Trump came out swinging, but Biden held his own and didn’t fall into previous debate pitfalls where he cut his time short or stumbled to get out responses. The two men often talked over each other in a brawl that got unwieldy at times.
Trump touted his record in the White House on boosting the economy and how he handled the pandemic, proclaiming: “There has never been an administration or president who has done more than I’ve done in a period of three and a half years, and that’s despite the impeachment hoax.”
But Biden said under Trump the country has become weaker, sicker, poor, and more violent.
“You’re the worst president America has ever had,” Biden declared at one point….
Note….
The CNN fact checker Daniel Dale says just about EVERYTHING Trump said was false….
* Dana Bash CNN
Update….
Trending on twitter....
image…Politico.Com…President Donald Trump and Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden exchange points during the first presidential debate Tuesday, Sept. 29, 2020, at Case Western University and Cleveland Clinic, in Cleveland, Ohio. (AP Photo/Morry Gash, Pool)
Pundits say Biden started slowly but got better….
The CNN audience reaction group was no committal….
But where almost all turned off by Trump’s actions….
*Both* of them would have done better by talking 50 percent less. Trump because he wouldn’t have interrupted and Biden was not having a strong night and Biden should have just stood there and sort of gestured with his arms towards Trump like, “look at this freaking lunatic who is and wants to remain the most powerful person on Earth (besides Putin.)
I disagree CG….
Joe Biden held his own….
Donald Trump did NOT….
Over CNN GOPer Santorum just said his party members are NOT gonna be happy because Trump’s performance was so bad it overran anything Biden did…
CNN snap poll ….
Debate watchers….
Not a voters poll…
Slightly more Dem audience..
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Who won?…
Biden 60%
Trump 28%
Truthfull
Biden 65%
Trump 29%
Chris Christie
Who coached Trump for the debate…
‘Trump was too hot…’
Dana Bash CNN….
On her phone texts GOPer’s confirm that the Trump that showed up IS the Trump they see all the time …
General Mattis and General Kelly, who would not be where they are in life if they had not exhibited bravery, need to really show some now.
I don’t care if they endorse Biden or not, but they need to speak publicly about why they thought the 25th Amendment might be needed one day. Clearly, it would be needed after tonight more than ever.
They need to stop caring about whatever nasty messages they may get from Trump fans.
More debates?
CNN host Wolf Blitzer said he “wouldn’t be surprised if this is the last presidential debate” after President Trump and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden clashed in a vicious first debate.
“This was the most chaotic presidential debate I’ve ever seen and I suspect most of you, if not all of you, have ever seen,” Blitzer said. “It will certainly raise a lot of questions about the future of a presidential debate between these two candidates.”
“I wouldn’t be surprised, by the way, if this is the last presidential debate between” the two candidates, Blitzer added….
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Huffington Post…
President Donald Trump refused to condemn white supremacist violence on Tuesday night, insisting without evidence that violence is a left-wing problem.
During the first presidential debate, moderator Chris Wallace of Fox News asked Trump if he was willing to condemn “white supremacists and militia groups” and tell them to “stand down” in places like Kenosha, Wisconsin, and Portland, Oregon — cities where heavily armed far-right extremists have shown up to anti-racism demonstrations as counterprotesters.
“Sure, I’m willing to do that,” Trump said, “but I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing.”
“What are you saying?” Wallace asked.
“I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace,” Trump said.
“Well, then do it, sir,” Wallace pressed.
“Say it. Do it,” Democratic nominee Joe Biden added.
“What do you want to call them?” Trump asked. “Give me a name, go ahead, who would you like me to condemn?
Wallace again asked Trump to condemn white supremacists and right-wing militias. Biden told Trump to condemn the Proud Boys, a violent neo-fascist street gang. At this point, Trump demurred.
“Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,” Trump said before changing the subject.
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Red State…
This is a hard one, folks. Time and again, this debate proved to me that this is a terrifying time to be alive. Two old men shouting at each other while a third old man tries to get them to stop shouting at each other? Watching this debate was a type of self-destructive behavior that I’ll be recovering from for a while, I think.
However, let’s briefly review who came out on top tonight.
Winner: Trump (but Barely)
More..
CNN confirms that Joe Biden WILL show up for the next debate in Miami….
They need to go back to the debate rules I remember from 1996.
Ninety second answers, sixty second responses, thirty second rebuttals. The other person is not to say one word when it is not there time.
There were also opening and closing statements. It gives the candidate a chance to say something from memory and hopefully be eloquent.
Why the hell did the Biden campaign agree to “open discussion?”
Since Biden, unlike Trump, actually has a conscience, I imagine he is taking a very long Silkwood shower right now. Trump set the tone, but he played a part in the overall debacle too.
Biden wasn’t perfect….
But frankly didn’t need to be…
Trump overwhelmed EVERYONE….
As a Bully….
Joe Biden had to say ‘Shut man!’…..
Chris Wallace had to beg Trump to calm the fuck down….
I’ve said this for weeks….
Donald Trump KNOWS he’s losing….
He’s STILL into HIMSELF….
He’s reaching for his base….
He’s NOT as smart as talking heads say he is….
The next debate will have a town hall set up….
One wonders how a voter will react to Trump trying to bull shit and bully them….
The Town Hall debates are always the worst.
But how can the candidates be in close proximity to the “people” anyway?”
It should all be via video feed.
The problem IS Donald Trump does NOT believe in ‘rules’….
Over at MSNBC Steve Schmitt mentioned moderator’s being able to turn off the mic
Any future debates, have them in separate rooms (this was done in 1960 and this is during Covid after all.) Only one is on camera and mic at a time. 90 second response, 60 seconds for the other dope, 30 seconds for the first guy)Yes, we would miss the split screens but it’s the only way to have anything close to an actual exchange that people can follow and try to decide for themselves what to think.
CG?
Trump’s people will NOT agree to put limitations on the Donald Trump Show….
Next time?
Donald Trump is gonna do the EXACT SAME THING next time and for the third debate….
(((Harry Enten)))
@ForecasterEnten
Folks, Joe Biden has never trailed in this race. Based upon these insta-polls, he will continue to lead this race. Every day Trump doesn’t gain is a bad day for him. There is zippo sign he’s gaining after this debate.
CBS snap poll on the debate…
Kabir K.
@kabir_here
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@kabir_here
This is kinda interesting, aside from just who “won” debate
Slightly more watchers say debate made them think better of Biden (38%) than worse of him (32%): nets to +6
When it comes to Trump, more watchers say it made them think worse (42%) than better of him (24%): nets to -18
Reagan Battalion
@ReaganBattalion
Telemundo poll on who won the debate:
66% Trump
34% Biden
Rachel “The Doc” Bitecofer
@RachelBitecofer
I agree- there is simply no point in a “debate” format w Trump, who is not sane. Do two town halls, let voters actually learn something.
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David Karol
@DKarol
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People are saying Biden should refuse to debate Trump after Trump’s wild behavior. No.
1. Ducking a debate looks cowardly.
2. The town hall format with citizens asking questions plays to Biden’s greater knowledge & empathy. Trump cannot use the same filibuster/interrupt tactic.
Nate Silver
@NateSilver538
Yeah, the toplines on this poll weren’t great for Trump to begin with, but if the debate further entrenched negatives about Trump, there’s probably no longer an opportunity for him to turn them around. Then again, those negatives were pretty darned entrenched to begin with.
don’t give him the platform.
Take the hits for being “chicken”. Biden is already ahead. The only people who would complain about Biden ducking a debate are already not voting for him.
I usually hate the “but the children” thing, but if this is what I would have seen in a Presidential debate as a child, I never would have wound up a Poli Sci major, etc, and maybe that would have been a good thing.
I seriously am going to be unable to sleep tonight. Tomorrow, I am supposed to work from home tomorrow with unreasonable month-end deadlines (after taking off a day Monday due to Yom Kippur) with all this discussion raging on television and Cubs post-season baseball during the afternoon?
Goodluck to me.
Maybe I will post here after the VP debate.
Good to have you along tonight….
Later….
All Biden needed to do was not look senile. He didn’t, not that I ever expected he would. But many believe he is. It is harder for them to say it now. In that sense, he “won”
But he did not have a good night. There is no need to spin it. Whenever he gets to give a victory speech, I am sure it will be quite good.
The three debates that were agreed to, Biden will be at…this is not a story…now if the campaigns agree to not have three debates because they feel it is not in their candidates best interest I can see that happening, but trump won’t agree to that…all media is good media in his mind and that can’t be changed…So there will be two more of these shit shows…I do think the viewership will be down from this one…people won’t be able to take Trump’s behaviors for too long.
Actually last night did NOT hurt Biden much at ALL….
As I said last night…
Biden HAS TOO show up for EVERY debate….
As President you need to step into things not walk away….
Biden got the win…
Trump falls more behind…
The Biden campaign said they had their “best online fundraising hour of all time” Tuesday night between 10 p.m. and 11 p.m, raising $3.8 million, Fox News reports….
Politicalwire…
Media callout on the debate….
Perhaps the most chaotic presidential debate in modern American history inspired unprecedented reactions on cable and broadcast news by pundits who, in other circumstances, would have been combing over minor moments to gauge who won and lost.
The consensus among many commentators: The losers of the night were the American public.
“That was a hot mess, inside a dumpster fire, inside a train wreck,” said CNN host Jake Tapper.
“That was the worst debate I have ever seen. It wasn’t even a debate. It was a disgrace.”
His CNN colleague Dana Bash had even sharper words: “I’m just going to say it like it is. That was a s— show.”
“As someone who has watched for 40 years,” said ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, a previous primary debate moderator, “that was the worst presidential debate I have ever seen.”….
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Steve Munichin said the lawmakers are going to give stimulus another serious try…I think the tea leaves are there that Trump almost needs the Stimulus now after the debate more than ever…he can then go to the public and say see I can get you unemployment and money…Disney just layed off 28K workers in Cali and FLorida (probably more in Florida than California, just based on the size of the parks) that is a lot of jobs lost in a key state…Trump needs the stimulus now more than ever and Disney made it all that more important…
If you haven’t made up ur mind by now you’re lost….
Last night probably changed few votes…
His base probably loved him being a bully..
He isn’t smart
Last night IS who he IS…
Democrats and those who will vote against him had a confirmation 90 minutes
Frank Luntz on Bloomberg….
“Donald Trump failed in his mission to get more votes….’
Joe Biden got people to like him last night by the end of the debate….
He talked about policy…
Trump talked about himself….
Talking Points Memo
@TPM
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany says Trump believes he won the debate
The next Presidential debate is a town hall format.
This definitely needs to go ahead so we can see Trump demean regular citizen’s concerns and probably once again give marching orders to white supremacist groups–only this time in response to an African-American woman.
Biden does well in these formats where he directly addresses voter’s concerns, especially those who are grieving, with his own personal story.
Sort of related–Former RNC Chairman and Republican Governor of Montana Marc Racicot is the latest high profile former GOP official to endorse Biden.
As I’ve said before these Republican former office holders don’t have much of an effect on current Republican rank and file, as those who are still in the party are fine with it being Trump’s party.
But it moves the needle on independent voters–who have soured incredibly on Trump.
And other than John Bolton they are pretty much all voting for Biden instead of the futility of writing in some vague “anti-Trump principled conservative”.
Hell even the stand in for the “anti-Trump principled conservative” in 2016 himself, Evan McMullen, is voting Joe Biden this year.
Jo Jorgensen is getting just the usual Libertarian vote before Gary Johnson jazzed up that party a bit in 2012 and 2016–in other words less than 1%
My opinion of the uselessness of these debates is well known..
All I can say is,
A liar,cheat and bully acted like liar ,cheat and bully.
Why is anyone surprised?
Yeah Jack. The joke is on any in the supposedly liberal “mainstream media” who thought this could be Trump’s chance to start acting Presidential and change his image
Spoiler alert: He won’t–and he won’t
Can’t is more like it, eh Scott?
The man IS in a alternate universe.,..
“I hear he doesn’t want to go forward, but that’s up to him. I mean, I would like to. By every measure, we won the debate easily last night. I think he was very weak, he looked weak, he was whining. Yeah, we won the debate by almost every poll that I saw.”
— President Trump, quoted by The Hill, claiming he “easily” won last night’s presidential debate.
Politicalwire…
I wonder who he “heard” this from?
Rush, Tucker,Sean, Lou, Lisa or Kellyanne ?
Who is Lisa?
An old girlfriend of mine.
The question being why is she on my mind?Haha,
I meant Laura (Ingram).
Political Polls
@PpollingNumbers
National CNBC/Change Research On Who Won The Debate:
Biden 53% (+24)
Trump 29%
poll conducted Tuesday night and Wednesday
All the above?
Not Me….