What a surprise?
Elizabeth Warren has been the flavor of the last few months by the media…
He rise in the polls confirm it….
Joe Biden is holding his own and Bernie Sanders is losing some…
Time to bust Warren’s ballon?
Politico is out with a piece which casts Elizabeth Warren last THAT person who has and is giving the Democratic parties best memory a hard way to go….
Somebody is betting Elizabeth Warren is gonna have to explain herself while Joe Biden has his lead for the nomination riding the popularity of the past Democratic President …
Warren’s whole being is seems about just beating up the Banks….
Barack Onama HAD to save them to salvage the American and World economy….
Warren doesn’t accept that….
As Warren campaigns to become the 46th president, she doesn’t mention the 44th very much.
When she does, it’s usually to praise him. Asked in April at a CNN town hall what their main philosophical difference was, Warren did not name any. “You know, I’m going to take this in just a little bit different direction, if I can,” she said and then gushed about Obama’s steadfast support for the CFPB. “I will always be grateful to the president for that.”
But interviews with more than 50 top officials in the Obama White House and Treasury Department, members of Warren’s inner circle at the time and Warren herself, reveal a far more combative relationship between her and the administration than she discusses on the campaign trail. Tensions between Warren and Obama were palpable to White House aides, even as she reserved her real fury for Geithner and White House National Economic Council Director Larry Summers, whom she regarded as predisposed toward big banks over families struggling to save their homes.
For Warren, the years of the financial crisis are now the touchstone of her political career, validating the conviction at the heart of her presidential candidacy: The system is rigged.
The acrimonious differences between Warren and her allies and members of the Obama team led in part to her decision, with prodding from Obama, to leave the administration to run for the Senate rather than continue pursuing the leadership of the CFPB. But they never fully abated and now represent dueling approaches to Democratic economic policymaking, presenting the possibility that the next Democratic president will have ascended to the height of Democratic Party politics in part by bashing the previous one.
Thus, while former Vice President Joe Biden often boasts on the campaign trail that his and Obama’s efforts saved the economy from another great depression, Warren regards the Obama administration’s top-down response to the financial crisis as part of the reason a man like Donald Trump won the White House eight years later.
“I believe the recovery should have been from the ground up, and people with Geithner’s and Summers’ background would never see the world that way—they just don’t see it that way,” Warren says. “America works great for the wealthy and the well-connected—that was demonstrated big time during the financial crisis. … Donald Trump stepped into that and said, ‘If your life isn’t working great, blame them.’ His version of ‘them’ is anyone who doesn’t look like you.”
As for the Obama team’s arguments that the financial rescue was a success—the bank bailouts ultimately made a profit, a depression was averted, and GDP growth resumed faster than the aftermath of most financial crises — Warren considers them obscene self-congratulation.
“Sure, the banks are more profitable than ever, they are bigger than ever, the stock market is through the roof,” she says. “But across this country, there are people who still pay the price for a financial crisis that they didn’t cause and that they never had a chance to survive. … That’s not a success.”
In Warren’s mind, the administration’s priorities were simply out of whack: Banks were getting more attention than people.
The Obama administration felt more urgency to save the large financial firms than to prevent home foreclosures…..
image…WashPost.Com
Warren appears to me to be sort of a “combative” person.
Accordingly, this really doesn’t surprise me,
If nominated on the heels of attacking Obama, might that possibly suggest some hard feelings among African-Americans in regards to turnout?
If this were to cause really hard feelings among Blacks, she is going to have a difficult time winning the nomination.
Almost all the southern Democratic primaries are dominated by Black voters.
Then again, this may be nothing more than a quickly forgotten article,
I just know that Trump will try to make himself Obama’s best friend and will speak constantly about how nasty, unfair, and racist Warren has been to Obama. If he faces Biden, he will try to do the same thing on the ’94 Crime Bill. It’s ridiculous, but that’s what he will attempt.
Not suggesting that Obama would not of course endorse Warren, at least in a perfunctory way.
Actually, Trumps Black support is not that much less than most Republican presidential candidates.
I wouldn’t rule out the chance he could increase it. Some people just like unconventional characters.
Not at all suggesting this was a widespread movement among African-Americans, but look how popular John Gotti once was among some of them in NYC. (John Gotti likely despised them more than Trump does.)
Too many people in America like rooting for the anti-hero.
I think he will get less .He got what ,about 8% last time?
I think he will get about 6%.
His crypto racist remarks and coddling of White supremacists will catch up with him.
Anyone have any theories on how DeSantis (who ran as a very Trumpian candidate) was able to nearly double the percent of the black vote against a black opponent than what Trump received in the state from a white opponent?
I have a couple at least.
I should point out that I am just about every “expert” thought Gillum would beat DeSantis. The race ended up close, but the polls were slightly off, and it looks like underestimating the percent of the black vote for DeSantis could have been the reason why.
Furthermore, DeSantis actually ran slightly better than Rick Scott did against Bill Nelson, which also surprised almost everyone.
Gillum is still in office….
He can thank Donald Trump and HIS indiscretions….
Gillum is not in office. You are confused about something again. He’s a former Mayor now.
I should also point out that in discussing that election, Gillum received a full 7 percent more of the white vote in Florida than Hillary did.
Yet, he did similarly worse with black voters.
Anyone have any theories?
I didn’t pay much attention to the race myself.
Had Gillum done anything to anger large numbers of Blacks?
Gillum was highly touted, as a future national leader. He was extremely charismatic on the campaign trail and certainly did not shy away from using race against DeSantis.
Ok, here is the best theory I can up with about how a Trump boot-licker (at least back then) like DeSantis was able to surprise everyone by getting 14 percent of the black vote against the candidate many thought could be the next black President…
During the campaign DeSantis was accused of making a racist remark and was basically portrayed by Democrats as a white nationalist.
(and how DeSantis did even better than Rick Scott, who was expected to have the better chance of the two.. even thought they both won in the end)
Gillum was just too liberal. His spending proposals scared people. He was endorsed in the primaries by Bernie Sanders and ran in the general election as an unabashed leftist. So, even some black Democrats crossed over for DeSantis.
Also, DeSantis ran on increasing educational choice and charter schools while Gillum opposed that. That is believed to be an issue that won DeSantis some black votes.
In further speculation, i will say that both parties nominated their weaker candidates last year for the office.
I think Gwen Graham would have beaten DeSantis soundly and ditto for Adam Putnam over Gillum.
The most noteworthy thing in that race appears to be that the suburban/urban white vote moves towards Democrats from two years earlier, perhaps with extra-motivation to oppose Trump in a nationalized race. The black vote however did not, and actually nearly doubled for the Republican candidate.
Conventional wisdom does not always hold out.
Huh CG?
2016 Group
Clinton / Trump
SEX Men 48 … 41 / 52
Women 52 … 54/ 41
RACE White 70…. 37 /57
African-American 12 …89 / 8
Hispanic 11 …66 / 8…
Roper center…
Florida is ducked up is my theory. I don’t trust that state as far as I can throw it
Thank you Selina Meyer.
Obama’s BEST FRIEND!!!!!!!
Holly Shit Batman!….
There is NO WAY on Earth that Donald J. Trump is gonna do a damn thing to Obama’s advantage…
He HATES Obama…
Yes among Democrats, especially Blacks?
Warren just can’t survive messing with Obama and by that, Biden….
James keeps tying Obama to Biden. The reality is that people choosea VP to help them win votes that they may have difficulty getting. In the case of Biden, Obama chose him to help get blue collar white votes.
As a strong supporter of Obama in the 2008 primary, I see very little similarities in Biden and Obama. Almost none. And James opposed Obama in the 2008 primary because of his clear preference for the less electable, but more conservative candidate, Hillary.
I do not know who Obama is rooting for, I am pretty sure he likes.Biden personally, but politically, Biden speaks a very different language than Obama. Biden, for example, seems to me to be far more willing to get into discretionary wars than Obama.
There may be some voters who will vote for Biden in the primary because of his ties to Obama. these people are foolish. ultimately, the Strongest Democratic nominee will have their own identity and their own vision of what she/he will accomplish.
One last comment. Unlike Biden, Obama’s vision was healthcare for all. Obama did not succced in accomplishing that goal, but that clearly was his initial goal.
Z?
You see little Biden / Obama tie ins?
Biden is LEADING the group for months thru thick and thin with the impliccit promise that HEV will bring back Obama 2.0…
It may not work for you…
But it CERTAINLY ISA working for me and am majority of Democrats in the combined polling of candidates….
On healthcare?
Barack Obama got what he COULD in getting the ACA….
You might want to try to remember how tortured the effort was…
No program as big as national heaLthcare is gonna be perfect…
But Obamacare was a hell of a LOT better then what we had before….
GOPwer’s have been slightly successful in their basic goal of fucking people out anything the government might do to help them…But the basic program is STILL in-tact….
Most Americans WANT Sanders Universal healthcare…
When they are informed about how they would have to pay for it with HIGHER taxes they DO NOT….
Except for Biden a few others?
Those Democrats who raised their hands to join Sanders in the first debate on the change have beat a retreat …
Heck, even Sanders has changed his idea a few times…
Obama and Biden worked together probably better than any President/Vice President team in recent history…
One would hope that a Biden Presidency would repeat THAT….
It would be wise of her not to do that if she wants African Amerocan votes–which are the key to the Democratic nomination.
Of course CG–who claims he does not want Trump to win–curiously keeps theorizing (cheerleading?) for Aftican American turnout for Democrats to drop. Which would likely cause a Democratic nominee to lose.
Hmmm.
Yeah, the Black vote remains the Achilles heel of both Warren and Sanders campaigns.
And the catalyst for Biden.
I have opined that Harris still has a chance if Biden stumbles in Iowa and NH to be a player in S.C.Booker is spending a lot of time here but doesn’t seem to be catching on .
Warren seems to be a far more disciplined and instinctive politician than Harris (her Native American catastrophe aside.) Harris keeps making self-induced errors.
Regarding African American turn out there were a lot of phony Russian bots in 2016 pushing the narrative that Clinton and Trump were two sides of the same coin. They largely targeted the black community. And it worked. I predict African Americans will be well aware of how much worse the Trump Republican Party is for them and will vote accordingly next time.
I don’t sense there was a widespread movement among black voters to sit out the last election.
Part of it was Obama was never on the ballot and from the historical aspect, 2008 will *never* be able to be duplicated and the rest is that Hillary ran a terrible, overconfident campaign.
(Another factor, that even Keith agrees with me on, is that a lot of older black voters (and Hispanic too and even some women among them, did not like the idea of a woman as President.)
james said yesterday that Biden “owns” minority voters. That would be a dangerous perspective to have going into a race.
In 2016, Trump got 8 percent of the black vote in Florida.
It might be work asking how in 2018, Ron DeSantis (whom I think was a pretty weak candidate) was able to increase that to 14 percent, while running against a highly touted black opponent.
Not cheerleading at all for anything. I think every American citizen should vote, just as I will, even if I have no real choice.
People are capable of speaking in a purely analytical way.
Here, people think I am cheerleading for Trump and believe he is certain to win. On HHR, they think I am cheerleading for Democrats and am certain Trump will lose.
People on the internet “hear” what they want to hear.
It’s just that your “analysis” almost never portends good news for Democrats
Well, on HHR they say I never have a positive thing to say about Republicans.
I say the same things, here, there, and on my own blog on Saturdays.
Maybe I just like making the dominant crowd somewhere have to think
So you try to get the RRH crowd to think?
Might as well try getring blood from a stone
I mostly try to get them to feel shame/fear.
And what are you trying to do with us?
Make us think that we really have a lot in common with Trump? Or that the Democratic Party behaves the same way as the Republican Party? Or something else?
Maybe he wants us to feel as bad about being Democrats as he feels about being a Republica.n in the age of Trump.
The piece starts off by saying Warren and Obama did NOT get along….
But in the reading it just appears that Obama was less of an idealist and more pragmatic….
During Obama’s term I complained about Obama’s lack off intitiive many time here….
Biden is cut from the same cloth as his former boss…
You could see that it last nights debate….
While Beto boasted he would take away ‘everyone’s assault rifles and got rousing applause ?
Biden first and then Warren and Sanders DID NOT go that far…
Biden spent decades in the Senate and other two are there now…
They KNOW as Biden pointed out weakly I might add that such a move will NEVER happen because GOPer’s will hang their hats on the 2nd Amend.
It’s a campaign…
My expressed view is the story was a plant against Warren…
There WILL be more….
Last night , exc eat for Castro?
Nobody REAL went after Biden hard…
They say what happened to Harris…
Castro was right….
Biden wants the good from Obama , not the bad…
But?
Biden was ALSO right when he said….
Obama was HIS boss…
It WAS his call in the end…
Attacking those calls with Obama at over 95% approval with Democrats is NOT something to get you the nomination…
Warren and even Sanders knows THAT…
They took light jabs last night…
Castro made a calculated gamble to jumpstart his candidacy.
It didn’t work.
Corey rarely talks about policy here. For example, He won’t discuss the economics of a tax cut without a corresponding speding decrease other than to say he agrees with it.
Corey will spend most of his time discussing strategy and character “Romney should not endorse”, “the woman claiming to be victims of Kavenaugh are not credible”
The piece doesn’t say Obama does NOT like her….
I believe the paint is Warren was a one subject focused person something I have mentioned here…
Obama WAS the President…
The risk was a financial meltdown that WAS occurring….
Warren would have pressed for more and maybe?
If she WAS the President things could have gotten worst….
Obama DID push for her for the CBP, but she couldn’t past the GOPer’s , which got her to the US Senate showcase….
I’d love for her too be the VP and support consumer financial interests….
But she can ONLY do what is possible….
THAT I feel was the problem Obama had with her….
It is disegenious for her to be knocking Obama’s salvaging the American and Worlds’s economy because it WAS essential to save the damn banks…
BTW?
If things keep going south with the economy?
A Democratic President might have to undo the Trump watering down of the Bank rules and actually prop them up AGAIN…
Warren might have seizure, but the dollar will be ok….
You shouldn’t forget that it was George W. Bush who actually had to face the immediate music and push TARP through.
If not for that, nothing else would have mattered after the fact.
This is a made up story if ever I have seen one. New poll out that says over 95% of black women intend to vote next year. Who do we think they’ll be voting for?
From my own experience a significant portion of black voters, mostly men, were influenced by the negative “news” they were getting from Trump’s best friend in Moscow and that, along with their own misogyny, kept them away from the polls.
They won’t fall for it next time.
Warren opened the debate last night by praising Obama and the ACA.
So much for this BS story.
I’m sure CG will find some other “non- partisan analysis” about African American voters cooling on the Democrats.
Scott remains the Master of Strawmen.
Nobody cared to express a contrary theory though as to the specific 2018 Florida race I was talking about though.
You cannot say that I do not try here.
It’s quite possible Gillum was sseen as too liberal for some likely older black Floridians.
It’s also possible there were voter suppression efforts in heavily black urban areas of the state that helped skew the African American numbers.
I’m guessing that second one 8s a non starter for you though CG.
How would it skew the numbers toward a near doubling for Republicans? That’s just ridiculous. There was a conspiracy to suppress the black vote but not that of black Republicans (which you don’t even think exist.)
The African-American turnout in 2018 in Florida was actually higher than usual.
Yes, candidates seen as too far to the left can be a problem for Democrats that to some extent could transcend conventional wisdom on racial turnout. In this specific electoral case, the charter school issue seems to have helped DeSantis with black voters.
Last night, Yang came out in favor of them and the other candidates pushed back.
I never said there are not black Republicans. But the number of African Americans who vote GOP are going to be higher (maybe 20%) in middle to upper class areas than they are in inner city areas (where it’s probably less than half that) where the number of polling places were drastically cut.
And this is just a theory. As is yours about charter schools and Gillum being too liberal
Of course Republicans always think charter schools and other conservative issues ate going to pull in the black vote. In this case maybe it did. To all of 14%. Which is still pretty pathetic.
There’s actually never been any evidence that affluent African-Americans vote less Democrat than poor African-Americans.
Assumptions do not always bear out. Some people might assume that rich Jewish voters are the most likely to vote Republican. That is definitely not the case. It’s a reverse correlation. The wealthiest Jews are the most likely to be Democrat. The biggest pocket of Jewish Republican voting is actually in fairly lower-class Orthodox communities.
I checked the exit polls though, and the percent of the black vote in Florida between 2014, 2016, and 2018 is completely consistent- 13 to 14 percent.
So, whatever conspiracy theories you have, something changed in why black voters supported Gillum less than Hillary. (the percent of white voters in Florida has been shrinking in every election.)
I gotta run, but just want to make something clear.
Things I have never said:
Trump is going to win the black vote or get an unusually large percent of it. I don’t believe that at all, even though Trump apologists think this might happen. I disagree.
What we *do not know* are the variables regarding turnout and the vote, specifically among black voters.
In 2020 it could be higher than 2016, it could be lower. Trump could do slightly worse with black voters and he could do slightly better. All of those things are possible.
The 2020 Voter turnout is going to the likes of the 2018 midterm’s and NC special…..
HIGHER…..
So voter supporessiois a “conspiracy theory”.
Is that more of your non partisan analysis that is supposed to make us all think?
I think you sound like every Republican. Before during and after Trump.
Not true. There are some Repubicans who acknowledge voter suppression. They just typically don’t care as long as Republican-leaning voters are not targeted. But Corey wants us to believe his intentions are actually rather honerable, so he has to call voter suppression a conspiracy theory.
While neither james nor I wrote this “story” of course, it might every well be that the story caused the Warren campaign to change their tactic and pre-preemptively praise Obama.
From a political perspective, praising Obama is a no-brained for Democrats. And that is part of the reason that Castro and DeBlasio have no chance at the nomination.
Yes Z…..
Dem’s knock Obama at their own risk…
New York Times: “If Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren are headed for a showdown, neither of them appears in a hurry to get there.”
“The two candidates have seemed to be on a collision course for much of the last few months: Mr. Biden as the Democratic front-runner and de facto leader of the party’s moderate wing, with a steady but hardly dominant lead in polls, and Ms. Warren as his rising challenger, slowly trimming his lead and perhaps surpassing Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont as the focal point of progressive energy in the race.”
Politicalwire…
True THAT on being nice to the Obama legacy…