Will this be about Castro vs O’Rourke?
Update…..YES…..Castro as the winner
They seem to have stolen the debate….
Julian Castro wants a repeal of the law that criminalises border crossing by undocumented migrants….
O’Rourke and others don’t want a straight repeal…..
The photo of father and daughter drowned is a silent ghost in the room…
Weird …
The second hour of the debate is handled by Maddow and Todd….
And starts with mic problems…..
Embarrassment for NBC…..
Below is from the NY Times live blogging….
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Through the first commercial break, Elizabeth Warren had the most speaking time – 5:32. Tim Ryan was last, with just over one minute.
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The New York Times… -
This is a big battle that a lot of people have been waiting for. Castro and O’Rourke are often asked about each other, and rarely engage.
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Castro is owning the immigration section, calling out O’Rourke by name. Shoutout to Sydney’s great profile of him from months ago!
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Worth noting that the Castros have been sore at O’Rourke for more than two years now – ever since Beto jumped into the 2018 Senate race that Joaquin Castro, Julián’s brother, thought was his for the taking.
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Speaking time update! Booker has the most (6:39), followed by Warren (5:32 – she did not speak during that block), Castro and Klobuchar. Tim Ryan (2:12) remains last.
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The New York Times …. -
The moderators haven’t really gone after the candidates’ vulnerabilities tonight, even the obvious ones. Nothing for Gabbard on Assad, nothing for Warren on D.N.A., nothing for de Blasio on [pick a topic].
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O’Rourke says the biggest threat is climate change.
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Castro says China and climate change.
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Ryan says China.
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Delaney is right – voters don’t ask about impeachment that much. But polling shows that overwhelmingly, some groups at the heart of the party – Latino and black voters, as well as very liberal voters – strongly want the president impeached.
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Coming up…Closing summary’s from the ten on the stage…..
So here’s a takeaway: This debate doesn’t feel like it’s a race to the left, as many party honchos feared. It’s the candidates restating what they’ve been saying on the campaign trail. (With the possible exception of Warren saying explicitly she’d eliminate private health insurance.)
My view?
There was NO standout on the stage….But Castro vs O’Rourke probably will be the story line in the morning.…Julian Castro getting the best of his fellow Texan…..Elizabeth Warren made no mistakes…de Blasio did alright…Booker had a a lot of time…But my wife and I see him as aimless….Ryan continued to ask the party to NOT forget Red State Democrats….
image….texastribune.com
I’m calling the person who got the most out of this was Julian Castro…..
Search interest for Julián Castro, the Obama-era Housing and Urban Development secretary and former San Antonio mayor, has seen a significant spike on Google since the start of the first Democratic presidential debate on Wednesday night.
Citing data from Google Trends, NBC News reports that search interest for the 2020 White House hopeful saw a surge of more than 2,400 percent on Google after he made a number of fiery comments on immigration during the debate….
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There was scant to no mention of Joe Biden…..
After hot-mic technical difficulties brought the 2020 Democratic presidential primary debate to a shocking pause, President Trump blasted NBC, the network hosting the contest, as “truly unprofessional.”…
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The moderators never brought him up and neither did the candidates. Good news for Biden but he still has tomorrow to deal with.
Embarrassing for NBC to have their microphone issues. Candidates lost about seven minutes of debate time as they had to go to extra commercials from corporations that need to be broken up.
Shit happens….
The mic thing was NOTHING….
They had to go to commercial. It took them like 7 minutes to fix. I have never seen that happen.
(please note I was not born when the mics of Carter and Ford went out and they stood their silently for a half hour)
And I don’t even know what the moderators were saying when they didn’t know they were mic’ed. I guess it was nothing too juicy.
What corporation had a commercial that needs to be broken up? Or was this another one one your silly attempts to sound clever without substance?
As anyone who has ever taken an economics class knows, free enterprise works best when there are no monopolies. Conservatives used to believe that.
What would they have thought, today, about Teddy Roosevelt the trust-buster (together with his A-G, Philander Knox) breaking up the Standard Oil Corporation ?
Theodore Roosevelt’s approach (later echoed by Thurman Arnold and J.K. Galbraith) did differ from Wm J. Bryan, Woodrow Wilson and the Democrats in preferring regulation through the FTC and Justice Dept to simply breaking up enterprises because they’d become too big. It’s a rather subtle difference which is still being honestly debated by economists today — for example, should Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Google and Verizon be split up for being too big and dictating their own quasi-monopoly markets or do you achieve better results by regulating them the way the FCC used to regulate AT&T ?
T.R. was deeply conservative, but he (like his cousin FDR) believed that popular unrest and discontent (if not satisfied) were the greatest threats to capitalism and the current class system. Of course, the capitalists never forgave FDR for saving capitalism and now only honor T.R. retrospectively for other things (e.g. the Panama Canal and what they misunderstand to have been his foreign policy).
The Freedom Caucus today would also exclude both Roosevelts for believing in social insurance.
The “authoritarian caucus…
Fixed it for you.
These Right Wing creeps believe in “freedom” about as much the polititburo of the Chinese Communist Party.
In the mind of Mark Meadows,Jimbo Jordan ,et al,”Freedom” means “agree with us.”
“Clever without substance”
That’s my take. Right wing grievance with nothing to back it up. Trump does the same thing on Twitter. Albeit with many more spelling and grammatical mistakes
I wonder if Trump actually does ALL of his tweets?
So, far as I’ve heard, James, no, any more than the Pope does his own tweeting.
Those early-morning rants come straight from the Presidential Id (misspellings, bad grammar & all), but I’ve read that the better-formatted, better-informed tweets in the early afternoon and later in the day are written by someone else on his inner quasi-political staff who’s been given access to the RealDonaldTrump account.
Hmmmmm?
ok….
If people are searching for him, that might not exactly be for positive reasons. Castro did seem to learn a phrase or two in Spanish, which he was previously unable to speak. He went to great lengths to phonetically pronounce Hispanic names and those of cities, except for his own San Antonio for some reason.
Castro did also basically endorse an open borders position on immigration, which is pretty unprecedented for any candidate.
My non-partisan analysis of the three “winners” from this “debate.”
1. Warren
2. Biden
3. Trump
What a clown show. Although a part of me feels for John Delaney who knows he doesn’t belong with this crowd. The same with Tim Ryan sort of, but he backed down when given a chance to defend himself in a fight with Gabbard.
Beto was in way over his head. Booker probably impressed some people seeing him for the first time.
Elizabeth Warren knows exactly what activist Democrats want to hear. All that mattered was her first question and her closing statement. If not for Bernie Sanders in this race ,she would be a clear frontrunner.
The party is about as far left as it can get. If the 2008 Hillary Clinton were on this stage somehow, she would sound like she was in the John Birch Society.
I am at the point where I actually have to sort of hope Biden can survive tomorrow because I don’t want to live through Trump or Warren for four years (not even to mention Bernie)
Next, a very very tough night for Zreebs. Every.single.one. of the candidates used the term “climate change” and used it often. Hang in there Zreebs.
I thought the winners were the three women:
Warren – Responded effectively to tough questions
Klobuchar- Folky style with some good one-liners
Gabbard- solid night with great answer on US military interventions
I think Castro helped himself – but not with me. He came across to me at least as supporting open borders. I definitely won’t be voting for him in the primary.
I say here Castro….
I also say that Warren held her own….
For me?
Elizabeth Warren is about one thing….
Tearing down the corporate fortress….
She seems to me be no better that Trump when it comes to foreign affairs…
She hardly even speaks about it…
The other two women did do well…
But the nomination is about trying to get to Joe Biden…
As we have discussed here a few days ago?
The wishful thinking on Progressive stuff is just that….
Wishful thinking as long as the Republicans hold the Senate and the Democrats need the new House seats just retaken from the 2010 Republican wave….
Tonight awaits us!
2008 is over. For reference that is the tear California passed Prop. 8 making sane sex marriage illegal and 0 states had legal marijuana.
Now marriage equality is the law of the land and Illinois is now the 11th stare to legalize recreational pot.
Support for sensible gun control is also much higher now than 2008.
Despite right wing Republican Trump’s electoral college victory the country is much more favorable to 0rogressive issues than it was 11 years ago.
Silly to compare now and then.
Then again-Throwaway Vote CG is not a serious contributor to the discussion anymore.
Basically he’s a one man peanut gallery.
To CG anytime aDemocrat speaks it is a
“Clown show”
For a real clown show watch the daily antics,lies and hate emanating from the Leader of his party,Donald J Trump and the sycophantic words and actions of the Republican Senators and Congresspeople who fall over each other in worshipful obedience to the Leader of their “tribe.”
Today’s Big Tent has two parties.
Yeah sure, but thoughtful observers carefully watch how CG will offer continuing criticism of all Democrats, while taking an occasional obligatory swipe at Trump in an attempt to paint himself as “nonpartisan.”
The fact is he is still a rock ribbed Republican who supports most Republican initiatives and appointees.
There is nothing wrong with that per se.
However, his oftentimes bizarre efforts to deny ,or at least downplay ,his obvious affinity still for the party that he so clearly issue wise agrees with has become almost certain comedic.
Look ,does anyone here doubt that if Donald Trump exited the scene tomorrow he would be back in total defense of every move made by the Republican Party as well as all those who have supported Trump in the past?
Of course not.
Let the games continue!
Sure, I doubt it of course, but you know more about me than I do apparently. Whatever helps you feel better about things.
It’s funny though because I get described here in such stark terms and then over at the other site NYCMike (and others) describe me in the polar opposite stark terms.
I must be doing something right from the peanut gallery.
Oh that’s easy.
Most of the people over there are pure Trump cultists and they’re pissed that you are criticizing their Leader.
Of course they are going to lash out at you and call you names.
However, with Trump gone, you would get along swimmingly with them as you did in pre Trump days.
I guess you think “ Republican “ is some type of “ stark term?”
I don’t see it that way.
It’s just who you are.
I’m a Democrat.
Zreebs is a Democrat.
Scott is a Democrat.
You are a Republican.
See?
Its your attempt t claim you’re not that’s so funny.
I’ve not said I am not a Republican. At least not to this point. I would like to be a Republican, but I don’t see the point.
I am a mainstream conservative, the same as you have always “known” me to be, and have admitted years ago that I am in the mainstream.
So, does that make me not worthy to criticize Democrats, either substantively or politically? Sorry, I don’t see it that way.
You just have to accept it. I gave my views on the debate after watching it. I think I was very fair as far as the politics were concerned (saying E. Warren did what she needed to do.) jack said he would not watch the debate and found them useless at this point. So, why criticize my view when you were not willing to formulate your own?
Oh it’s not just the debate.
You are always trying to act as if you’re some kind of “ nonpartisan “( you even described yourself that way in your debate review.)
You’re not .
This persona you’ve assumed whereby you are always talking about “tribalists?”
You are of the Republican “tribe.”
You’re as much a “tribalist “ as anyone here.
As for that debate?You labelled it a”clown show,” so apparently you agree with me that it was useless.
I’m not questioning your “right” to criticize Democrats.Youve been doing that for years.
And you will continue to because you are a Republican.
Did you actually think that little throwaway line needed to be taken seriously or are you just searching for something to be offended at?
You and the HHR people are very much alike as far as “tribes.” It’s either all or nothing. You either have to vote exactly as someone else does or you are just as bad as the “enemy.” Well, I disagree. Too many people go on the internet expecting to find an echo-chamber. There are plenty of sites for that for those who require that satisfaction.
I said it was a clownshow because the candidates were jumping all over each other to see who could get the furthest left.
That might be good politics for the primaries, but I think deep down you would admit that makes things more difficult for a general election. Criticism is possible for that by many non-Republicans as well.
As for my debate analysis, I said the three winners were Warren, Biden, and Trump.
It’s hard to be any more “non-partisan” than that.
All of the Democratic candidates showed 10 times the class Trump does
Ten dudes in line to use the Port-A-Potty at a GWAR concert are likely to be classier than Trump.
What does that have to do with the ideas being presented in these debates and the practical feasability of them.
just to make EVERYONE mad?
there HAS TO BE covert Republicans out and around who haven’t been brain washed by Trump….
There HAS TO BE Republicans who quietly despise Donald Trump…
Yes …They ARE Republicans….
But it is NOT their time…
if Joe Biden gets to live in the White House?
He WILL be looking for those Republicans He’ll be looking to make ‘deal’s’ with them like back in the day….
if he can?
Trumpism will be a memory?..
Whew!
That WAS a defense of how things actually work in the American Political world ….
we could have a choice between a continuation of conflict politics with no compromise or try to crawl back to something the might just HELP America get its political act together,…
second debate coming in 15 minutes….