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Republicans stood by their Felon…..Democrats ditched their President….Open Thread for 12/29/2024

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And the criminally convicted guy WON….

The ‘Good Guy’ Lost the election for his replacement,  who could not shed him….

A revealing look at 2024 American voters and what REALLY matter ‘s to them….

The Government lawyers are running scared….

The guy who won, has picked malcontents to help run his show….

Crime pays, eh?

And?

Good Guys finish last…..

 

Seven Weeks

Seth Masket picks the biggest political story of the year:

“Democrats: In the seven weeks between the Trump/Biden presidential debate and the Democratic National Convention, the Democrats pushed their scandal-free, well-accomplished incumbent president off the ticket because they thought he would lose. That’s an amount of party power we don’t often see in the U.S. Yet it was not completely without precedent — similar things happened when Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson declined to run for reelection in 1952 and 1968, respectively. In all three cases, the exact same thing happened: a replacement candidate almost certainly did better than the incumbent would have (possibly saving some congressional seats in the process) but still lost.”

“Republicans: In the seven weeks between Trump’s felony criminal conviction in a Manhattan courtroom and the Republican National Convention, the Republicans absolutely did not push their expected nominee off the ticket, instead doubling down in their support for him. This despite polling suggesting that some independents were moving away from Trump as a result of the conviction and they could lose the presidential race as a result. It nicely depicted the two very different attitudes across the parties about just what an electable candidate looks like and how important that trait is.”

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Some Justice Department Lawyers Look for Protection

“Justice Department lawyers who have angered President-elect Donald Trump and his allies are facing tough decisions about whether to stay in government—and how to best protect themselves from threats of retribution after Inauguration Day,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

“Law firms say they have seen an unprecedented flood of résumés from department lawyers looking for the exits.”

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  3. RIP President Carter.

    I’m glad his funeral will be held while Biden is still President.

    Harry Truman and Gerald Gord both passed on the 26th of December and now Jimmy Carter on the 29th.

  4. Jimmy Carter was the oldest of four siblings. All three of his younger siblings died of cancer in their 50s or early 60s. It is remarkable that he made it to 100, even when he had his own bout with cancer in his 90s.

  5. RIP

    Jimmy Carter

    The only President I ever met.It was in 1975.A few of us decided to go to a local hotel to meet this former Governor of Georgia.He was standing with an aide( later I learned it was Jody Powell who became his press secretary.).There were about 30 or so people there.We talked for a few minutes.We all agreed he was a nice guy but President?

    Come on we said.

    Carter knew a lot more about politics than a bunch of South Carolina kids!

    • Great story Jack!
      In 1991 when I was attending the Iniversity of Missouti Columbia Carter spoke at Stephens College which is also in Columbia, MO. I got to hear him speak to a crowd of maybe a couple hundred. Didn’t get to meet him though.

  6. I have joined the ranks of people who was not yet born when someone no longer alive was serving as President. It has been 18 years since that last became the case for some and over 30 years for a larger group of people.

    But to feel especially old, I am about to be older than the Vice President.

  7. Very rare to find any of these still, so here is a P1 thread dated 1/26/09.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20090129110439/http://haloscan.com/comments/politics1/012609

    Illinois Jim was right the Blackhawks would win a Stanley Cup within five years (they won it the next year and two more within six years)

    I was right that Mark Kirk would run for the Senate in Illinois in 2010 and win.

    and the Ricketts Family buying the Cubs turned out to be a very good thing (although a lot of fans might not feel as strongly that way now)

    It looks like james thought that Gillibrand would lose in a Senate primary.

  9. Lindsay Graham has declared “ we are at war” and “ under siege.”

    Therefore it is imperative that all Trumps Cabinet appointments should be quickly confirmed.

      • I think Trump is NOT going to be happy with Biden people still running departments….

        I think Wingnuts even MORE pissed and on Trumps case….

        This WILL come at Thune also

        But Thune seems to be unafraid of Trump
        He’s a Mc Connell guy

        Gabbard , Pastel and Hegseth
        Along with RFK Jr. are gonna be hard selling in the committee hearing’s

  10. I don’t know about you?

    But knowing that Pete Hegseth is running the Pentagon?

    Would really make me feel safe since we are “ at war.”

  11. Kamala Harris will (Deo Volante, i.e. the Good Lord willing and the creek don’t rise) announce her own defeat tomorrow, as Mike Pence did in 2020. It has been more common now than in earlier years for a VP to run for either Pres. or VP, and thus to announce his or her own victory or defeat:
    John Adams
    1793 We won!
    1797 I won!
    Daniel Tompkins
    1821 I won!
    Martin Van Buren
    1837 I won!
    Richard Johnson
    1841 We lost!
    John Breckinridge
    1861 I lost!
    James Sherman
    1913 I died last October!
    Thomas Marshall
    1917 We won!
    Charles Curtis
    1933 We lost!
    John Nance Garner
    1937 We won!
    Richard Nixon
    1957 We won!
    1961 I lost!
    Hubert Humphrey
    1969 I lost!
    Spiro Agnew
    1973 We won!
    Walter Mondale
    1981 We lost!
    George H. W. Bush
    1985 We won!
    1989 I won!
    Dan Quayle
    1993 We lost!
    Al Gore
    1997 We won!
    2001 I lost!
    Richard Cheney
    2005 We won!
    Joe Biden
    2013 We won!
    Mike Pence
    2021 We lost!
    Kamala Harris
    2025 I lost!

  12. I forgot the two VP’s who served under two different Presidents (although neither VP completed his second term):

    George Clinton
    1809 I won!
    John C, Calhoun
    1829 I won!

    • Not that anyone else is likely to be interested, but here is my slightly expanded list of possible VP announcements of Electoral Votes:
      John Adams
      1793 We won!
      1797 I won!
      Thomas Jefferson
      1801 I won!
      George Clinton
      1809 I won!
      Daniel Tompkins
      1821 I won!
      John C. Calhoun
      1829 I won!
      Martin Van Buren
      1837 I won!
      Richard Johnson
      1841 We lost!
      John Breckinridge
      1861 I lost!
      James Sherman
      1913 I’m not here because I died last October!
      Thomas Marshall
      1917 We won!
      Charles Curtis
      1933 We lost!
      John Nance Garner
      1937 We won!
      Richard Nixon
      1957 We won!
      1961 I lost!
      Hubert Humphrey
      1969 I lost!
      Spiro Agnew
      1973 We won!
      Walter Mondale
      1981 We lost!
      George H. W. Bush
      1985 We won!
      1989 I won!
      Dan Quayle
      1993 We lost!
      Al Gore
      1997 We won!
      2001 I lost!
      Richard Cheney
      2005 We won!
      Joe Biden
      2013 We won!
      Mike Pence
      2021 We lost!
      Kamala Harris
      2025 I lost!

    • Yep. The next time Presidential succession will be questioned is when the 25th Amendment is attempted on a diaper wearing and drooling stroke victim named Donald J Trump.

      And I will laugh at all of it.

  14. I assume there will be no objections today. First time for that in eight years. This will be the first time a Democrat will not rise to object to a Republican winning since 1989, at least I think that did not happen back then.

  15. In a really classy move…

    The husband of Nebraska Senator Deb Fischer,Bruce Fischer, refused to shake the proferred hand of VP Kamala Harris as she prepared to administer the oath of office to his wife.

  16. Just got an email from my company announcing we will be transitioning our health insurance coverage to UnitedHealth starting next month.

    They also have a big paragraph about “in light of recent media coverage”, they want us to know that UHC approves approx 90 percent of claims immediately upon submission and less than 1.5 are denied due to medical or clinical reasons.

    Hope you rot, Luigi!

  17. I watched the Charles Fischer thing and it did look very classless. What might no have been noticed though until pointed out is that it appears though that he was holding onto a cane and did not have a free hand while also holding the Bible. I do not really know what his deal was. He looked pretty unhappy, but I am also sure that if a relative of a Dem Senator had snubbed Mike Pence during that event, that person would be applauded by partisans on the other side. I think it probably even happened if I recall.

      • The still photos of the even clearly show he is using a cane. Maybe he didn’t really need the cane but brought it as an ‘excuse” to not shake Kamala’s hand. Let’s go with that theory.

        Obviously, the spouse of a Senator is not the same as the Senator, who interacted with the VP just fine in this case.

        • I don’t recall ever seeing a picture of her husband before. I looked up the photos of her being sworn in the previous two terms by VPs Pence and Biden and he doesn’t look happy in any of them. I cannot locate the videos right away. Maybe he is upset his wife is a Senator.

  18. In moderation.

    Trying to offer commentary and *possibly* an explanation for one aspect of Charles Fischer’s actions, since it looks like he was using a cane and did not have a free hand.

      • My longer post where I attempted to analyze his demeanor is in moderation. Who knows? He seemed unhappy. Maybe he was just nervous or not feeling well. He looks like an old guy. When I first saw the clip, I did not realize he was steadying himself with a cane in the hand that he would have shaken hers with, so I think that at least has to be taken into consideration.

        Always easy to assume the worst about people to fit a narrative and that is what MAGA folks are doing who are cheering him for a perceived snub.

  19. Biden is now openly saying how wrong it was of him to pick Merrick Garland as AG. I won’t get into the validity of those ill-feelings, but I was saying here at the time, that Biden should have picked Doug Jones, the former Alabama Senator for Attorney General. I think Jones earned that if nothing else for having beaten Roy Moore in Alabama and it also turns out he supported Biden for President even back in 1988.

    james was all in on picking Garland and loved that being done in order to own Republicans over the Supreme Court nomination. That does seem to be the main reason why they want with Garland.

    • Garland ….

      In hindsight Garland has turned out to have been entirely TOOOOOOOOOO Cautiousin doing his job allowing some cases to drag on and out that Trump and other’s were able to get over in….

      This of course IS part of Biden’s problem for the last four years….

      Neither men understood that against Trump?

      Quiet WAS/IS a LOSER….

      Biden IS CORRECT….

      He fucked up….

  20. Biden is said to be largely upset at Garland over Hunter Biden. Of course, Joe has been using his own clout to bail Hunter out of trouble since the 1980s.

    I hope Hunter finally has his life together. In two weeks, his father will never be able to save him again.

  23. The situation in California is tragic all around

    The reality of things these days is that politics always winds up coming into play and people look to assign blame.

    One day might be more appropriate to delve into the causes of what happened and the response but after the past week, for one thing, I do not think Karen Bass is going to be elected to a second term as Mayor, and we can be reminded that she was said to have been Joe Biden’s first choice for Vice President.

    Also, whether fair or not, I think the chances of California Governor Gavin Newsom becoming his party’s Presidential nominee are about over. The visuals alone of him standing in front of a fiery hellscape is just brutal. Even his Democrat primary opponents would use it and this crisis against him. It was going to be hard enough for him in regards to 2028 as a non-minority male.

  26. When a felon’s not
    engaged in his employment
    (his employment)
    Or maturing his felonious little plans
    (little plans)
    His capacity for innocent enjoyment
    (‘cent enjoyment)
    Is just as great as any honest man’s
    (honest man’s)
    Our feelings we with difficulty smother
    (‘culty smother)
    When constabulary duties to be done
    (to be done)
    Ah, take one consideration with another
    (with another)
    A policeman’s lot is not a happy one

    Oooooooh,
    When constabulary duties
    to be done, to be done
    A policeman’s lot is not a happy one
    Happy one

    When the enterprising
    burglar’s not a-burgling
    (not a-burgling)
    When the cutthroat isn’t
    occupied in crime
    (‘pied in crime)
    He loves to hear the
    little brook a-gurgling
    (brook a-gurgling)
    And listen to the merry village chime
    (village chime)
    When the coster’s finished
    jumpin’ on his mother
    (on his mother)
    He loves to lie a-basking in the sun
    (in the sun)
    Ah, take one consideration with another
    (with another)
    A policeman’s lot is not an ‘appy one

    Oooooooh,
    when constabulary duty’s
    to be done, to be done
    A policeman’s lot is not an ‘appy one
    Happy one

    The Pirates of Penzance, by Gilbert & Sullivan

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