Remember….
These guys WOULD become President if their bosses where not able to serve…
And?
Donald Trump IS a convicted felon who has more criminal troubles coming at him…
Washington — Sen. JD Vance of Ohio and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz— both relative newcomers to the national political spotlight — face off Tuesday in the only scheduled vice presidential debate before the November election.
The debate is being held three weeks after former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris had their only scheduled debate.
Walz, who is Harris’ running mate, has had a long career in politics but was largely unknown to voters outside of Minnesota before he joined the Democratic ticket.
Vance, the author of “Hillbilly Elegy,” was first elected to office in 2022, less than two years before being selected by Trump to be his running mate. …
What time will the VP debate start and end?
The debate starts at 9 p.m. ET on Tuesday. It will run 90 minutes — the same length as the two presidential debates — and end at 10:30 p.m. ET.
Who is moderating the VP debate?
“CBS Evening News” anchor and managing editor Norah O’Donnell and “Face the Nation” moderator and chief foreign affairs correspondent Margaret Brennan will moderate the debate.
Where is the VP debate?
The debate is taking place at the CBS Broadcast Center in New York City.
Trump was a lifelong resident of New York City, a Democratic stronghold, before changing his voter registration and primary residence in 2019 to Palm Beach, Florida, where his Mar-a-Lago club is located. ….
image…Wash Post
jamesb says
Vance may surprise us …….
jamesb says
Ok….
I’ve tuned into the debate….
Both guys trying to NOT get excited…..
Vance ducks the broken family part of Trump admin immegration program….
Both guys try to over response….
Vance ducks the crazy Trump things when questioned
jamesb says
Walz cops to his China visit date mistake….
jamesb says
Walz says he was WRONG about Donald Trump…
He misspoke….
jamesb says
He now tries to BLAME Congress on NOT throttling Trump….
He give props to Biden for ‘following’ Trump tariffs…
jamesb says
Abortion…..
Walz….Trump brags about Roe/Wade and the Suprmeme’s….
He goes into the southern state criminalizing abortion….
His state brought back Roe/Wade….
What’s right for Texas ain’t right for other states?
Vance….
GOPer’s need to earn Americans on giving women MORE options…
He goes on to support Trump onn states policy….
Walz goes on about how states make women LEAVE their state to get the same rights Vance said SHOULD be
jamesb says
Vance….
I do NOT support a National abortion ban….
He goes back into actuaslly knocking the pro-life restrictions …
jamesb says
Walz Minn IS doing what Vance and Trump say on a state level…
jamesb says
BOTH guy’s are trashing the Pro-Life policy……
jamesb says
Walz …The call should be by the doctor/woman…..
‘Mind ur OWN business’….
We support the child….
Not working against ABORTION PERIOD….
jamesb says
Ok….
Walz is doingh fine…..
Vance IS dancing on Trump crazy SHIT……
CG says
Why the hell didn’t she pick Shapiro?
jamesb says
He would have OVER shadowed her….
He’s doinmg fine tonight….
NOT overwhelming….
Just fine…..
CG?
Vance IS trying to sell Trump as a rational policy guy….
Something he wasn’t….
He isn’t
jamesb says
These guys have ‘agreed on SEVERAL things , eh?
Right wing NUTS ain’t gona be happy with Vance…..
CG says
Walz is having a bad night.
Hopefully, per tradition. VP debates won’t matter.
jamesb says
Walz does a Good answer on the new homes questions….
Vance jumps away from the question to go to migrants….
jamesb says
CG?
Vance want Harris to TELL Biden what to do????
Walz did ANSWER the how to do the Homes….
CG?
Vance IS doing a LOT of general Bull Shit….
Walz as a governor gives consistent on point answers….
Shapiro IS flash….
Walz IS Minn as a EXCAMPLE of HOW things can be done….
Walz gets better questioin by question….
jamesb says
CG????
EVER Damn question?
Both of these guys AGREE on part of the questions….
Whihc means the prople IN CHARGE ARE doing GOOD….
Vance just agreed to pre-existing conditions for Healthc are….
jamesb says
CG?
JD Vance tonight IS TRump ‘Light’…….
jamesb says
The narraitive for tonight should be Vance tried to sell a Trump that is NOT who is talking shit EVERYDAY….
Vance seems to bew trying to dance way from Trump’s worse sell’s !
Jesus….
Walz IS ON POINT explaining things as a Governor againstb a guy who IS a rookie US Senator….
CG says
ONE job, the ONLY job is to keep hammering to Americans about how crazy and scary things would be if Trump is President.
A policy wonkish debate serves no purpose this cycle.
CG says
Walz needed to attack Trump on every answer. No exception. Build wedges between Vance and Trump is angry at Walz after.
Instead, he dodged the answer on his Hong Kong lie in a cringeworthy way and called himself a “knucklehead.” He keeps saying he agrees with Vance on little points, and then he said he “became friends with school shooters.”
I think Shapiro would have been in a much better position to oppose Vance on a stage like this.
CG says
Shapiro is “flash.”
Well, this is a television show. That’s the only reason the VP debate matters. They needed to put a smart, tough Jewish prosecutor up there against Vance to lambaste Trump.
CG says
JD is detestable but he is a much, much better communicator than Trump, and this should come as zero surprise to nobody.
jamesb says
Agreed CG…
BUT?
Donald TRUMP would be President….
NOT JD Vance who IS IN public agreeing with almost EVERYTHING Walz says….
This IS NOT a good debate for Republican rightwingnuts like Progress 2025 People….
I like Walz ‘s performance….
He’s experienced guy in the debate….
Not flashy like Shapiro….
Minn shines…..
jamesb says
Vance IS OUT OF HIS LEAQUE…..
Walz gets BETTER with EACH Question…..
jamesb says
Vance is actually showing his pre-Trump appointment side….
CG says
You like Walz. MAGA folks are doing cartwheels about how great they think Vance is doing. Everyone has their pom-poms. I think I am seeing things as they are.
CG says
Narrative is that Trump and Vance are getting left off the hook. CBS isnt even going to bring up the childless cat ladies. Vance is attacking Harris and Walz just seems all over the places and has made several gaffes.
VP debates usually do not matter, What matters is who is going to win Pennsylvania.
jamesb says
Ur ducking CG?
Vance IS shit canning the rightwingnuts….
CG says
Believe me, the right-wingers, are enamored with what Vance is doing tonight.
jamesb says
Well then they have stepped BACK from Trump ‘red meat’….
Hot DAMN….
Vance just said spend MORE money for childcare??????
jamesb says
MORE MONEY!!!!!!!
He’s DAMN Republican!
CG says
Right-wingers are populists now.
jamesb says
Vance asked about certifing the election…..
He sidesteps the threat to democracy and goes to censorship…..
This Debate HAS BEEN WON by Walz HAND DOWN….
Trump and the Wing Nuts picked the WRONG guy…..
jamesb says
Walz and Vance have a LOVE IN !
jamesb says
Walz….’A President’s words Matter’…..
jamesb says
Vance….Shake hands…Tim Walz will have his support….
vance dances around Trump actions on Jan. 6….
Ghost of SE says
Where’s Daniel when CG needs to cry into his loving arms?
Saw the first 20 minutes. Was all right what I sawn. Serviceable enough for partisans like myself to claim “victory.”
jamesb says
I didn’t see the beginning….
I’ve been wtching the last 30 or 40 min…..
CG says
Well, of the three debates of Campaign 2024, this was at least the most competitive.
jamesb says
Agreed …..
jamesb says
Did he lose the 2020 election….
Vance dances….
jamesb says
I’ve seen enough….
Walz wins this walking Away.….
CG says
Very few people in the media will be saying that, unlike what they said in the Trump-Harris debate.
be prepared for that.
Huge missed opportunity for Democrats
It probably won’t matter much
The election is still a Tossup
CG says
Walz’s last answer was his best one. He should have been in that mode all night.
Of course, as we know, and is sadly the truth, January 6th is in the rear-view mirror for Americans. Anybody who cares one way or another already knows who they aren’t going to vote for.
jamesb says
A Hand shake in the end….
NOT a turn and walk away like Trump with Harris…..
CG says
Well, Vance and Walz do both agree that Trump is Hitleresque.
Trump sees that as a compliment though.
jamesb says
He, he, he…..
Damning comment from U a GOPer……
bdog says
James,
Listen to CG, this was a snooze fest, Trump is who Trump is…I think I really believe at this point, nothing Trump says can change people’s minds, nothing Vance can say will change people’s minds, but war in the middle east and strikes on the docs can…this debate was next to pointless, but overall Vance was at least even with Walz if not better than him…nothing really gained and no trump supporter cares what policy vance backed which was different than their beliefs…I debated with myself if Donald Trump tomorrow said I believe in killing babies, would it hurt him with the right…I don’t think so…
jamesb says
I agree with u Bdog about Trump….
I do NOT agree with U on Walz…..
Walz held his own and came out on top…..
Vance DANCED….
NBC audiance response Walz FOR the People….
CG says
CNN immediately goes in on it being a bad night for Walz. But james says everything was great, so let’s go with that!
jamesb says
CBS……Vance appeal to ‘Traditional Republicans’?????
jamesb says
CBS Trump like the first half of the debate….But not about the end where vance danced….
CG says
I don’t think you are going to like what the snap polls of debate watchers will show. I would like to be wrong, but I think I won’t be.
bdog says
I said Vance “won” by a slim margin, your pom poms are out, take a step back and you watch it, the bar for Vance was extremely low…don’t sound like a Newsmax maniac and sound semi normal and you can win…he did that…so I think he won…Walz was okay, he didn’t standout which is why I think he lost…but I don’t think it much matters in the grand scheme of the election
CG says
Josh Shapiro would not have let JD Vance get away with b.S.
You guys better pray you win this thing. I still don’t think this VP debate will matter a ton. Who wins Pennsylvania will matter a ton.
CG says
There were several episodes of “All in the Family” where Archie Bunker knew he needed to call his Jewish lawyers (who happened to be named Shapiro, Shapiro, and Shapiro). Instead we got a social studies teacher.
jamesb says
He, he, he….
Again….
I do NOT agree with ya Bdog….
Vance did NOT do anything ….Just show up….
Republicans NEED this MORE…..
Walz and Vance dod NOT gfo for the jugular …..
Vance danced….
Walz DOES NOT STANDOUT , which IS why he’s the VP Pick…..
Some media I see are disappointed that there wasn’t BLOOD……
But Walz , as said….
Got BETTER towards the end…..
Axelerood ….Walz should just keep being ‘who he is’……
jamesb says
Guys????
JD Vance is working the “spin Room’?
Need the extra media touches???….
CG says
FWIW, my mother says Walz did “pretty good” but she fell asleep during it.
jamesb says
Bless ur Mom…..
I agree with Her….
She has good insight….
CG says
My parents are among the people upset that Dancing With the Stars was pre-empted tonight.
I will also say Buttigieg would have been far more effective in this format.
jamesb says
Pete isn’t a answer yet…..
CG says
What is the question?
because if the question was who would have done a better job at Tim Walz’s podium tonight than Tim Walz did, it is a very. very long list…
However, in fairness to Walz, he did better than Joe Biden would have.
jamesb says
Vance the apologist ?
CG says
To MAGA, after the last Trump debate, Vance is a hero now. They can hardly contain their glee. Online, they are ecstatic about this and think Walz did much worse than I even think he was.
Will this cause Trump to want to debate again?
jamesb says
Of course they LOVE Vance….
They LOVED him before with the ceazy assed stuff….
But the guy appeals to ‘Old Reagan’ people?
I thought they where passe’???
This is beginning to sound like another alternate Universe addtion?
jamesb says
Listen CG?
lets face it….
If vance just stood there they’d LOVE it…..
They don’t have a choice….
CG says
The point is they were frustrated and disappointed by Trump’s performance in the last debate. By contrast, they loved Vance’s performance. It is understandable. He is much smarter and a much better communicator than Trump.
At the same time, Harris is much better than Walz in this sort of format.
CG says
David Axelrod just Walz would have been better off and made more sense if he gave his Tienanmen Square response in Chinese.
CNN snap poll of debate watchers says 51-49 Vance won. I thought it might be worse for Walz. Those same people though were expecting Walz to win 54-45.
Scott P says
Walz did fine.
I know you love Shapiro CG but a Vance/Shapiro debate would have been two slick lawyers.
Granted one is a Christian nationalist and the other is an honorable public servant (who happens to be Jewish) but Vance would have lied just the same.
I thought the debate was a draw until Walz dropped the Jan 6 bomb on Vance. I’m pretty sure Trump is pissed his boy couldn’t say Trump won in 2020.
CG says
For the record, I probably disagree with Shapiro on 90 percent plus of issues.
I just want to see Trump lose.
CG says
Shapiro would have stayed on Trump like a pit bull. He would have been at least as successful as Harris was the last one in baiting. This whole “it was a civil, issue-oriented debate that maybe was a gentlemanly draw” is crap. What year is this? Those days are gone. Attack. Attack. Attack. If Trump is going to lose in November, people need to be driven by fear of him, at least if you don’t have a great positive message of your own, which Democrats clearly do not.
Walz was not cut out for this. I have said that it probably won’t matter much.
Again though, you folks absolutely must win Pennsylvania.
jamesb says
Yea media happy ‘Attack’…. stuff
Walz came across to me as a executive that could stop in to do the job easy….
Vance as a dancer …..
Trump’s ‘FEAR’ is costing him votes right now…..
Vance tried play down his boss….
For a LOT of us?
That won’t work….
CG says
If there was one thing Walz did not come across as, it was an “executive.” Vance is much smoother than Trump. That is what he needed to do. He did it well, with some exceptions at times. Maybe it will piss Trump off.
The snap poll of watchers seem to think he was likable and do not seem to be holding his gaffes against him. After Biden and Trump debates this year, that bar seems to be obliterated.
Scott P says
You also thought George Allen was destined to be President and that Sarak Palin was going to win the election for John McCain.
Scott P says
You obviously dislike Tim Walz as I think true New Deal blue collar Democrats offend you in ways Shapiro doesn’t.
Walz has appeal. Even if it’s not for you.
CG says
I don’t dislike Walz personally. I just don’t think he was the strongest possible choice for a VP candidate. This is only related to pre-election, I know I won’t like the Administration whomever is VP.
Now, I dislike Trump and Vance personally. You should be able to recognize the distinction and the difference
CG says
I think there were two New Deal Democrats on the stage tonight. Maybe that’s why they kept talking about how they agreed with each other.
I completely also think Shapiro is a liberal Democrat who is not at all what I want in a leader.
However, he would have probably guaranteed Pennsylvania and maybe even give you folks a chance in Florida.
jamesb says
CG?
Kamala Harris IS NOT a hardcore ‘LIBERAL’…..
CG says
I d0 not think you are going to be winning back the blue-collar voters who have voted for Trump before. They are not leaving him. If anything, they are going more to him this time. They are gone. The Walz pick was not going to accomplish that. Walz lost blue collar voters in Minnesota in his races for Governor.
You need to get white collar voters in the suburbs who used to vote Republican and maybe even voted reluctantly for Trump in the past.
Scott P says
As someone who actually grew up in a blue collar union household I’ll file your “expert analysis” on the subject where it belongs.
jamesb says
CG?
If you open your eyes?
Trump IS bleeding off support….
His guy last night did NOT embrace Trump crazy assed shit….
CG says
No, not true to both charges, but you already knew that.
Ghost of SE says
That comment from CG seeming to denigrate Walz’s being a social studies teacher, to say nothing of his referencing of archaic anti Semitic tropes to squeeze glue from the dead horse that is Shapiro’s VP bid, reeks strongly of ableism. Which is unfortunate.
Where my personal disgust turns to gut busting laughter is when CG calls JD Vance a “New Deal Democrat.” When asked to substantiate the claim, will he respond with song choices from the RNC(like he did last time) and squeezing more glue from the dead horses of Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and John Edwards? The particular anti Trumpism displayed last night is just reheated anti Democratic Party screeds.
Ghost of SE says
Expanding upon “Ableist”
As in, highlighting the profession in which he served in assistance to kids who were struggling and finding their ways in life. As if that’s something not on the level of honorability as being a lawyer. The contrast could not have been greater between the two. Walz held up and easily came off more relatable.
Of note, focus groups have largely been evenly split about who won. But one group in Pennsylvania had 5 out of 6 raising their hands for Walz.
jamesb says
Yes SE…..
My comments last night where on point….
Vance is getting kudo’s for NOT being who HAS been in the media….
Walz IS a Good solid choice….
No ‘Flash’ like Shapiro who WILL easily carry Pennsylvania and help Harris do so also….