Crowd size probably is about bragging rights…..
And for Donald Trump an ego support….
The NY Times did a look and came away with the view that Harris DOES draw BIGGER crowds since she began her run for the Presidency…
The four other campaign events that The Times attended were similarly packed, with audience members generally filling up the space designated for the event. The rallies took place at venues with maximum capacities ranging from 6,800 to 19,300 people, though in some cases sections of seating were cordoned off, and additional seating or standing-only areas were added.
Harris rallies
Las Vegas, Aug. 10
Savannah, Ga., Aug. 29
Trump rallies
Bozeman, Mont., Aug. 9
Wilkes-Barre, Pa., Aug. 17
Justin Sullivan/Getty Images (Las Vegas), Christian Monterrosa/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images (Savannah), Michael Ciaglo/Getty Images (Bozeman), Doug Mills/The New York Times (Wilkes-Barre)
For each of the six events, The Times counted the number of people visible in footage taken just after each candidate began their speech, also accounting for people in dimly lit and obscured areas. This number does not represent the people that may have left early, before the footage was captured, or arrived late.
Crowd size estimates at campaign events
Harris
| Sat., Aug. 10 | Las Vegas | 6,200 |
| Tue., Aug. 20 | Milwaukee, Wis. | 12,800 |
| Thu., Aug. 29 | Savannah, Ga. | 6,200 |
Trump
| Fri., Aug. 9 | Bozeman, Mont. | 4,300 |
| Sat., Aug. 17 | Wilkes-Barre, Pa. | 5,900 |
| Fri., Aug. 23 | Glendale, Ariz. | 11,500 |
The New York Times
Experts say that crowd sizes at rallies do not have a direct relationship to winning or losing an election. For one, event organizers may strategically choose venues with a small capacity, like college campus buildings where only a few hundred can attend. The day of the week and time of day can also affect the size of the crowd and when people decide to arrive or leave.
Still, crowd sizes have been a sensitive subject for Mr. Trump throughout his political career, his fixation intensifying as of late as enthusiasm has ballooned for the new Democratic ticket. Mr. Trump falsely claimed that photographs of the crowds at Ms. Harris’s events are doctored using A.I.
In response, the Harris campaign posted a video compilation of moments during Mr. Trump’s rallies in which audience members are seen yawning, and also wrote in a separate post on Truth Social that members of Mr. Trump’s audience left the event in Pennsylvania early, “leaving even more empty seats.”
The Times found that people did leave early from two of three of Mr. Trump’s events, including while he was delivering his speech….
From the NYT..
“The analysis found that,despite Mr. Trumps claims,both candidates draw comparably big audience.”
Sometimes the rah rahing degenerates into out and out lying.
Another reason I rarely post here much anymore.
You should spend the extra time trying to get the Democratic candidate over the finish line against Nancy Mace. If this is even a fraction of the good year I’m bullish on it being, your district will be a key indicator.
From the charts IN THE POST….
Sample events….
Harris numbers…..24K….
Trump numbers……20K….
I have pointed out here that you seem to belive that Trump WILL Win a second term….
You have gone after people here….
U seem to not be albe to deal with others here differing from ur view…..
Interesting….
Yeah, he does make Carville look like sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows by comparison. In slight defense, he is a Democrat from the inflexibly Republican South Carolina. That can wear you down after 7+ decades.
SE?
Bingo…..
I have always said here that I like Jack because he forces me at times to defend my views….
I have often agreeded with him and given him props…
But I also cut him no slack as he does the same with me….
Different views make one better and STRONGER
But as you say SE….
He’s in SC a truly RED state….
Optimism could come hard there….
And yea…
Back in the day here?
He chewed on GOPer’s here so hard they left and one became a Republican….
We all are getting older…
But the fight, in MY mind grows even STRONGER against the ex-President, who IS a senile, Bully, Liar, Fraudster , sexual predator ….
U CAN bet your ass I’m STRONGLY pushing Harris/Walz….
America’s future IS at stake….
And?
The list of Republicans comin g to realize this grows EVERYDAY….
There WILL some even in South Carolina….
Guy sharpened the hell out of me. Him and Zreebs both. Actually came here and read their comments as I was moving over to the left side starting in 2019, plus Secular Talk on YouTube. It made an impact. I’ll leave it at that.
Me too SE….
He may be working through some serious stuff, as well. Having combed the old PDog threads in the Wayback Machine, he was way sharper, more forceful, and 1000% on the ball facts wise 10 years ago versus now. It’s jarring, actually.
This from one who was concerned that the likes of Marianne Williamson get a “ fair count,apparently hinting that Biden was concerned about her as an opponent in the primaries.
Idiotic
Then a few weeks ago you posted a ridiculous “ prediction “ that the Democrats were going to make astronomical gains in the House and Senate races.Even The most optimistic observer would laugh at such silliness.Even James couldn’t take that bit of foolishness,said you were” tripping “
Me? I found it uh
Jarring
Having been sufficiently humbled going back through the old PDog threads, I’ll actually try to be kind and give you more benefit of the doubt as to your stated beliefs. Just as I would acknowledge and respect someone’s chosen pronouns. Yes, that is my thoroughly optimistic best case scenario as presented in the Open Thread. I will refrain from predictions until the end of next month, because the exercise before then is pointless. The epitome of sound and fury signifying nothing.
As to the tired, dredged up spittle you throw at me again and again, how was I wrong to cast about for the stronger Democrat in case Biden wasn’t up to the campaign(which he wasn’t, and I was proved right once again)? Anybody else, even his lower tier Primary challengers who I posted about, would have demolished Trump in that debate. Of course, VP Harris is the best of all worlds in terms of an alternative who can win this thing. That’s what we really needed from the beginning.
I am bullish on the party and I will make suggestions as to where resources can be best expended. And some of them might come true.
Clearly, his Primary opposition wasn’t up to the task. Hence why “Uncommitted” gained attention and the others did not.
He, he, he….
Such SE’s Democratic WIN prediction was posted….
So What?
If you regard such as silly?
So what?
That means u shy away from the p;olitical discourse here?
REALLY?
Have U given up Jack?
AGAIN…..
SE and I and other’s BELIVE that Kamala harris and Tim Walz WILL be sworn in on Jan. 20th 2025….
Could we be wrong SURE…
But we do NOT think so and we’ll say THIS proudly OUT LOUD….
You “ could be wrong?”
Gee that’s stunning!
And uh
Interesting !
“ you seem not to be able to deal with others here differing with you.”
Really James?
Like you don’t uh” differ” with anyone here?
That’s all you got ?
We are talking politics. For sure people are going to disagree.What? You don’t understand that?
Goofy
“You have gone after people here.”
Yeah. So have you.Pot to kettle .
As to my believing Trump will win?No prediction from me.I guess I’m not as uh “ insightful “ as the likes of you. No I think it’s a very close race at this point.Pure tossup right now .Unlike you I don’t go all hyper at these polls showing a one or two point “ lead” two months out, nor do most political writers where the general consensus is similar to mine.
As to the NYT story? They specifically said they analyzed six rallies but only published the results of three of them that’s what you read and added up.Quite apparently they added these with the other three which they didn’t publish and came to the conclusion which I quoted.
And as to your gratuitous “interesting “ remark?What is really “interesting” is the fact that in around fifteen years of this site the posters here are the same people who migrated from the old politics 1 site.Since you “ claim” that hundreds of people come here weekly to read your various verbal meanderings ,it is remarkable that none,not one, sees fit to offer any comment.Accordingly,I being very gratuitous here ,find that fact
Interesting
The crowd numbers ARE THERE…..
They CLEARLY show Harris collects MORE and doesn’t have the ‘early leavers’ Trump has….
I could list other pieces that CLEARLY report Trump NO getting the Harris numbers …
Heck I KNOW Trump knows cause he keeps bring this shit up….
He, he, he….
U doing a Trump on me?
We ALL know who posts here…
I have will contiunes to advise that the site brocasts to a audiace of about 450 places with every post….
THAT IS a fact….
Oh, Wait?
These paid sites that tens of thousands of subscribers ?
have the same ratio of commentors than this place?
And I kn ow they have ‘bots’ and outfits that comment as ads….
We’re doing fine here than you….
Pitiful
Total and complete self delusion.
Once again I quoted from the New York Times article.
Obviously you didn’t read the whole article.
And as usual when called on anything?
You lash out!
Interesting
And I also ‘quoted‘ figure’s from the SAME piece they published to justify their view that Trump’s rallies DO NOT HAVE more attendees……
The best part of the piece?
Trump ‘s number’s are LOWER
AND?
His people LEAVE EARLY even DURING the the time Trump’s STILL TAKING!
The figures you cited from the piece roughly match the enthusiasm gap between the parties shown by polls, where 87% of Democrats are excited and 82% of Republicans are excited.
Indeed……
Donald Trump IS TRAILING
Ain’t No secret……..
All that time wasted losing another argument to James could have been better spent getting out and helping flip his swing district. At least I’m actually looking for job openings in the county party down the highway from me.
I’m doing MY part…..
Good Luck joing the cause!…