Hands DOWN…..
NOPE!….
A Slap Down….
Donald Trump does NOT get a free pass forever…
He IS just ‘Citizen Trump’….
(57 pages…Women judges))
American President’s do NOT have ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY to do whatever they want…
Trump could ask for the whole Appeals court to review…..
Expect Trump’s lawyers to try to drag this to the Supreme’s, who could rule on this OR?
Could turn down the case? (If 4 Justice’s want)
Expect Jack Smith at the Justice Dept. to try get things running by May…..
A federal appeals court on Tuesday rejected former President Donald J. Trump’s claim that he was immune to charges of plotting to subvert the results of the 2020 election, ruling that he must go to trial on a criminal indictment accusing him of seeking to overturn his loss to President Biden.
The 3-0 ruling by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit handed Mr. Trump a significant defeat, but was unlikely to be the final word on his claims of executive immunity. Mr. Trump is expected to continue his appeal to the Supreme Court — possibly with an intermediate request to the full appeals court.
Still, the panel’s 57-page ruling signaled an important moment in American jurisprudence, answering a question that had never been addressed by an appeals court: Can former presidents escape being held accountable by the criminal justice system for things they did while in office?
The question is novel because no former president until Mr. Trump had been indicted, so there was never an opportunity for a defendant to make — and courts to consider — the sweeping claim of executive immunity that he has put forward….
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“For the purpose of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant,” the panel wrote. “But any executive immunity that may have protected him while he served as president no longer protects him against this prosecution.”….
Note…
Some experts feel that the Supreme’s will NOT be inclined to accept a review of this decision …
Donald Trump has HURT himself in the minds of Judges across the court…..
Finally?
Donald Trump KNOWS this case IS gonna be tried in Wash D.C….
He KNOWS the jury will come from Wash D.C…..
He KNOWS he’s chances of winning the DC case is REMOTE…..
And the pressure by the media to get the ruling out worked…..
Trump IS in DEEP SHIT……
Laurence Tribe 🇺🇦 ⚖️@tribelaw
This is the core of the reasoning, on pages 40-41:
“At bottom, former President Trump’s stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review. We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter. Careful evaluation of these concerns leads us to conclude that there is no functional justification for immunizing former Presidents from federal prosecution in general or for immunizing former President Trump from the specific charges in the Indictment. In so holding, we act, “not in derogation of the separation of powers, but to maintain their proper balance.” See Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. at 754.
Andrew Weissmann (weissmann11 on Threads)🌻
@AWeissmann_
BREAKING: DC Circuit gives Trump only until 2/12 before it will issue the mandate, which would permit Chutkan to go forward. So Trump would need a stay to extend that date.
In plain language ?
The Appeals Court just said Trump CANNOT use his last job to keep him out of jail……
Andrew Weissmann (weissmann11 on Threads)🌻
@AWeissmann_
The DC Circuit unanimously describes Trump’s position as “irrational” and one that would permit a president to “commit all manner of crimes with impunity.”
right now on Fox, “The Floor” category is Political Candidates.
If I do not know each and every one, I will be ashamed. Nobody in America could beat me on this.
Make that the world. Of course I knew every one, (which many political junkies would)
The guy who had control on the category could not name Sarah Palin or Al Gore. The other contestant missed Geraldine Ferraro and George McGovern. She knew Carly Fiorina and Shirley Chisholm though which I consider impressive.
Pete Buttigieg, Pete [Paul] McCloskey, Pete Wilson….
I was ready for any Morry Taylor, Gary Bauer, Bruce Bruce Babbit, Rubin Askew, Harry Browne, Larry Agran, Duncan Hunter, Wayne Messam they could have thrown out there.
Good thing host Rob Lowe did not reminisce about the 1988 Dem Convention.
And from the business world: Andrew Yang, Herman Cain, Meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina ….
1984 was the first year I followed the Presidential primaries as an 11 year old.
Let’s see if I can remember all the Democraric contenders from that year
Walter Mondale
Gary Hart
Jesse Jackson
John Glenn
George McGovern
Alan Cranston
Ernest Fritz Hollings
Ruben Askew
I miss anyone?
Yes, you missed Bob Graham, whose Wikipedia article says:
Presidential and vice presidential politics
Graham was considered as a Democratic nominee for Vice President of the United States in 1988, 1992, 2000, and 2004.[11][12] He was a finalist on Bill Clinton’s shortlist of running mates in 1992, and was reportedly on Al Gore’s shortlist in 2000.[13]
2004 presidential election
Main article: Bob Graham 2004 presidential campaign”
In December 2002, Graham announced his candidacy for President of the United States in the 2004 election. On January 31, 2003, he had open-heart surgery and his campaign faltered. He withdrew his candidacy on October 7, 2003. In November, he announced that he would not seek another term in the Senate.
By outright cheating (looking up Wikipedia), I found one more 1984 Democratic candidate: Claude Kirk of Florida
All the Republicans could put up in 1984 was some faded movie star,
Wikipedia’s list
Never heard of Claude Kirk.
In the 1992 Democratic primaries there was a Southern California mayor named Larry Agran that was sometimes listed as a “major contender” and may have been on a debate stage with Bill Clinton, Jerry Brown and Paul Tsingas once if I recall.
Claude Kirk was the Republican Governor of Florida between 1967-1971, the first of that party since Reconstruction. Apparently, he made several attempts for a political comeback in both parties over the next couple of decades that must have included running for President in NH as a Democrat in 1974.
Via the Wayback Machine, I recently came across a Politics1 haloscan thread (almost none are archived, but occasionally one is found) from 2005 in which Larry Agran is discussed a lot. According to someone from California, he was the inspiration for the father character on “The OC” who I vaguely recall was some sort of crusading attorney. I had mentioned that I went to High School with somebody named Agran who had said that his uncle had recently run for President. Could have been true.
I certainly remember the name of Larry Agram since I was living in {northern) California at the time.
I remember Larry Agran so well that I misspelled his name!
Wikipedia & Dave Leip tell me that Larry Agran, one-time Mayor of Irvine, California (and to my surprise a comrade in DSA) won 24,784 votes (0.87%) in the 1992 Democratic primary held on the day that I left the Golden State, Tuesday the 2nd of June (Coronation Day), 1992.
Wikipedia puts his national vote in the middle of a second tier among several better-known names:
Bob Kerrey – 318,457 (1.58%)
Tom Harkin – 280,304 (1.39%)
Lyndon LaRouche – 154,599 (0.77%)
Eugene McCarthy – 108,678 (0.54%)
Charles Woods – 88,948 (0.44%)
Larry Agran – 58,611 (0.29%)
Ross Perot – 54,755 (0.27%)
Ralph Nader – 35,935 (0.18%)
Louis Stokes – 29,983 (0.15%).
However only three delegates out of 4,288 voted for him at the Democratic National Convention.
List of former or current Governors of Florida to not succeed as a Presidential candidate
Claude Kirk
Ruben Askew
Bob Graham
Jeb Bush
Ron DeSantis
Maybe Charlie Crist is looking for something to do next.
Until Donald Trump became a Florida resident and ran for te-election in 2020, the state of Florida’s citizens had a remarkable distinction: no presidential or vice-presidential nomination by any significant party (inc. Socialist, Prohibition, Libertarian, etc. — unlike my own still-Little Rhody, which at least provided VP candidates for the Prohibitionists in 1900 and the Progressives in 1952).
Before the 1920’s Florida was a small state that was nearly sure to vote Democratic, so (like R.I. today) no electoral votes would be changed by nominating a Floridian. So it’s not so surprising that no Florida governor (or Senator or Representative) has ever won a major-party nomination.
Now Florida has the Union’s third-greatest population and a belwether Electoral College record that closely matches the nation’s (since 1925, Florida has voted against the Electoral College winner in only 1960, 1992 & 2020).
Yo DSD?
They can keep his tired ole’ ass