Lot of people out there WARNING American voters about what a second Donald Trump presidency would turn out to be….
And?
Trump is NOT Denying the threats….One can only hope that people will come to their senses when the time to vote is upon them….
Donald Trump shared a Washington Post op-ed warning that his second term will be a “dictatorship” on Truth Social, The Messenger reports.
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David Frum: “In his first term, Trump’s corruption and brutality were mitigated by his ignorance and laziness. In a second, Trump would arrive with a much better understanding of the system’s vulnerabilities, more willing enablers in tow, and a much more focused agenda of retaliation against his adversaries and impunity for himself. When people wonder what another Trump term might hold, their minds underestimate the chaos that would lie ahead.”
“By Election Day 2024, Donald Trump will be in the thick of multiple criminal trials. It’s not impossible that he may already have been convicted in at least one of them. If he wins the election, Trump will commit the first crime of his second term at noon on Inauguration Day: His oath to defend the Constitution of the United States will be a perjury.”
“A second Trump term would instantly plunge the country into a constitutional crisis more terrible than anything seen since the Civil War. Even in the turmoil of the 1960s, even during the Great Depression, the country had a functional government with the president as its head. But the government cannot function with an indicted or convicted criminal as its head. The president would be an outlaw, or on his way to becoming an outlaw. For his own survival, he would have to destroy the rule of law.”
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Former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) told the Today Show that Donald Trump would install himself as a permanent president and refuse to leave office after the mandated two-term limit if he is reelected.
Said Cheney: “There’s no question. Absolutely. He’s already done it once… He’s already attempted to seize power, and he was stopped, thankfully, and for the good of the nation and the republic. But he said he will do it again. He’s expressed no remorse for what he did.”
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New Open Thread is HERE!
Morning…..
Cloudy and worrisome prospects for Joe Biden’s re-election next year (Thomas B. Edsall of the New York Times reviewing many pollsters & strategists):
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/opinion/biden-campaign-polls.html
Yes it is worrisome.
Just depending on Trump to implode or be convicted in some court( which of course he will immediately appeal) is foolish in the extreme.
Biden said the other day that if Trump wasn’t running he probably wouldn’t run.Increasingly though it appears that he might be the best bet to lose to Trump.
No things aren’t “ fine”( a word that has been bandied about here to describe Biden situation.)Indeed they are anything but.
Personally I think Biden has done well but quite apparently most voters don’t agree with that assessment.
Well Jack ?
I Do understand ur concerns
But?
Joe Biden DOES HAVE a record of Beating the Big Guy
Joe Biden has done a pretty damn good job for the last 3 years
Joe Biden CAN RIDE a bike..,,,
Biden maybe gun shy on flexing American
Military Power….
But soldiers ain’t coming home in boxes on his watch
Immigrants ain’t getting being put in intermittent detention
In MY VIEW?
Joe R. Biden IS just a Good President
He’s less good as a politician
Has had that issue his whole life
Actually?
If someone was to observe this whole 2024 political Presidential race thing?
They would certainly question WTF would a guy charged with 91 criminal acts, being sued for sexual misconduct and for sending a mob to fip up Congress would even be allowed to rub?
America in the Trump Era IS a strange place…
Every time someone tries to stand up and say they’d primary Biden?
They get told to sit down and shut up…
So far?
He’s what Democratic leaders want
Is Nikki Haley a moderate ? (Teresa Hanafin in a Boston Globe newsletteer)
So now some deep-pocketed anybody-but-Trump conservatives are swooning over Nikki Haley, especially her recent proposals for shoring up Social Security, which is predicted to have to cut monthly checks by 20 percent starting in 2034 because there won’t be enough payroll tax revenue coming in.
Some view Haley as a (oxymoron alert!) moderate conservative because she doesn’t believe that women who have had abortions should go to prison. That’s a pretty low bar to be considered “moderate” — that you won’t throw anyone in the clinker for getting medical treatment. Women across the country are ever so grateful.
It’s difficult to tell if Haley is a hardcore conservative or a committed chameleon. Every time she raises her index finger to make a point during a debate or a speech, I can’t help but think she’s testing which way the political wind is blowing.
Her biggest flip-flops have come on her chief rival and former boss. She didn’t like him in 2015, and harshly criticized his immigration positions and his plans to build a border wall. As governor of South Carolina, she refused to endorse him, saying that he was “everything a governor doesn’t want in a president.”
But then she liked him when he became the GOP nominee and then president, even serving as his ambassador to the UN for a couple of years and writing a book in which she salivated over Trump’s presidency.
Then she didn’t like him again after the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, denouncing him and predicting that he had fallen too far to ever run for office again.
Within 10 months, she was back to singing his praises and vowing to never run for president against him. Oh, well. How she really feels about him today is anybody’s guess.
It’s the same with a lot of issues. On abortion, Haley likes to say, “I don’t judge anyone for being pro-choice, any more than I want you to judge me for being pro-life.” That’s a policy position? Judge away, women say; just give us control over our bodies. So, Nikki, tell us: Do you think they should have it?
Her record says no. …
I have followed Nikki Haley since she was a backbencher in the S.C. Legislature.
She owes her career to Mark Sanford.Term limited in 2010,Sanford plucked the relatively unknown Haley as his chosen successor.
After her election ,Nikki began a six year contentious relationship with the Republican bigwigs in the Legislature.
Nikki has always tried to please whoever is her audience.Essentially she’s is a chameleon but she’s not really a radical and has more in common with old line Republicans like the Bushes than the MAGA crowd.
I defer to Jack on Haley and the Boston Globe
She is NOT….
Since the definition of “moderate” seems to shift almost daily within the Republican Party and bears little resemblance to the moderates of say twenty years ago?
Yes,Nikki Haley could be described ,within today’s Republican Party ,as a “ moderate “ for what that term is worth ( little in my opinion !)
I’m done. Only returned to this site because I didn’t want to have the same regrets with Zreebs that I did with TPL at the end of his life. Dementia Jack and Lying Keith clearly only care about personal vendettas versus substantive discussions.
I see why CG doesn’t like this place. It affects him badly, and he’s probably more bolted together upstairs than I am.
Ghost, I wish you’d still offer your comments here.
Just don’t get emotionally involved.
[I used to get very upset and hurt (both for myself and for fellow contributors) by one contributor who’d turn replies into nasty personal put-downs, and then I just stopped reading his comments. No point in getting worked up about who was (or were) wrong in one city’s politics decades ago.]
I’ve never got into personal quarrels with you, neither has Scott or James (nor did Z).
But if you get too emotional and worked-up whenever you exchange views about politics, just follow someone’s advice to stand down, but stand by.
Regards and best wishes, DSD.
Good Late Morning…..
Folks?
I started this place because I was hooked on P1…..
I am happy to have EVERYONE who still hangs in here….HERE…
I do NOT take the personal stuff seriously ANYMORE….
There HAVE time’s when some here would bait me ….
That just isn’t me anymore….
We have had people comment here and be attacked and shy away from here…
If you REALLY take things too seriously?
Either you shouldn’t be social media or u should be on sites with ur point of view….
(YES SOME PEOPLE COME ON SOCIAL MEDIA to attack others…True THAT)
I AM sad that I can’t get more people to comment…
But that is that….
I can only hope that my regulars continue to share their comments…
It IS what makes the place.….
Morning Everyone……
I have no idea what “ personal vendetta “ SE is talking about.
Apparently he is upset because I called him out on his continuing fascination with Marianne Williamson as a presidential candidate,
I said she’s a joke.She is.She was in Charleston the other day and drew like 15 people to see her.Everyone here ,except him apparently, knows that she is not a serious candidate.
The. Kid has come a long way actually and, some of his commentary was well thought out ,but if he persists in his daydreams that Candidates like MW are anything other than an insignificant joke ,and we humor him by acting as if he is on to something? We are doing him no favor.
I have no ill will toward him ,but I won’t humor anyone who makes absurd observations such as that MW is a serious candidate for President and yeah I’ll make fun of such.It deserves to be made fun of.
House Censures Jamaal Bowman
The House censured Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-NY) for pulling a fire alarm during a House vote in September, Punchbowl News reports.
The 214 to 191 vote mostly fell along party lines. All but one Republican voted in favor and 191 Democrats opposed. Three Democrats voted in favor of censure.
Five members — four Democrats and one Republican — voted present.
I would have voted to censure him.
That was stupid.
Yes…..
Censure isn’t what it used to be….
They hand them out like free samples….
Not really.
There have only been 5 censures in the past twenty years in the House.
The three Democrats who voted to censure Rep. Bowman:
Yea CT 5th D Hayes, Jahana
Yea NH 1st D Pappas, Chris
Yea WA 3rd D Gluesenkamp Perez, Marie
Present
Present PA 6th D Houlahan, Chrissy
Present MD 4th D Ivey, Glenn
Present NC 2nd D Ross, Deborah
Present PA 7th D Wild, Susan
Present MD 1st R Harris, Andy
Not Voting
No Vote MO 5th D Cleaver, Emanuel
No Vote MN 2nd D Craig, Angie
No Vote NC 1st D Davis, Donald
No Vote CA 10th D DeSaulnier, Mark
No Vote TX 16th D Escobar, Veronica
No Vote TX 7th D Fletcher, Lizzie
No Vote CA 42nd D Garcia, Robert Julio
No Vote TX 29th D Garcia, Sylvia
No Vote NV 4th D Horsford, Steven
No Vote TX 18th D Jackson Lee, Sheila
No Vote CA 51st D Jacobs, Sara
No Vote NV 3rd D Lee, Susie
No Vote CA 18th D Lofgren, Zoe
No Vote MN 3rd D Phillips, Dean
No Vote CA 47th D Porter, Katie
No Vote NC 11th R Edwards, Charles (Chuck)
No Vote CA 20th R McCarthy, Kevin
No Vote WA 5th R McMorris Rodgers, Cathy
No Vote WV 1st R Miller, Carol
No Vote OH 7th R Miller, Max
No Vote SC 5th R Norman, Ralph
No Vote FL 27th R Salazar, Maria
No Vote IN 5th R Spartz, Victoria
Weird?
Penn[Univ]loses $100 million donation over antisemitism hearing
A University of Pennsylvania donor is withdrawing a gift worth around $100 million to protest the school’s response to antisemitism on campus.
The big picture: The final straw for Ross Stevens, founder and CEO of Stone Ridge Asset Management, was Tuesday’s widely criticized congressional testimony by Penn president Liz Magill….
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Referring to Penn, Stevens writes: “Its permissive approach to hate speech caling for violence against Jews and laissez faire attitude toward harassment and discrimination against Jewish students would violate any policies of rules that prohibit harassment and discrimination based on religion, including those of Stone Ridge.”
More…
Marianne Williamson is a total joke. As to SE he is smart enough to know that I think. He just likes to post nonsense for nonsense sake.
I would have also voted to censure Jamal Bowman. Just because the Republicans unleashed a shirtless QAnon freak into the House chamber doesn’t make what Bowman did right at all.
I agree with both Scott and Jack, I cannot recall ever (certainly not since he/she resurfaced here) making a critical comment about SE. But I’m a liar and Jack has dementia, and Dave wants SE to reconsider his departure because…..
My guess, there weren’t enough people here for SE to amaze with his useless prattle, so he’s off. His excuse, he’s offended.
Harry Truman would tell you that if you can’t stand the heat…..
Lot of concern about personal feelings. Well if I had really wanted to get at him/her I might have done hours of personal research on who this person is in reality and then posted my most negative findings here and then demanded a forum to discuss them.
Oh wait, that already happened.
Missouri Republicans are proposing legislation that would allow women to be charged with murder if they obtain an abortion.
Isn’t Paxton fronting the same?
I have said that I wish Biden wouldn’t run again.
So this week he weirdly claimed that he probably wouldn’t run again if Trump wasn’t running.Huh?
I don’t get it.Is he saying that he is the only Democrat who can beat Trump?That seems to be the only conclusion one can draw from such a statement.Now the WSJ says that Biden approval is the lowest of his presidency and joins other recent polls in showing him losing to Trump.
I like Biden personally and think he has done a fairly good job.Unfortunately it is now quite obvious that mine is a minority view.
There is way way too much burying the head in the sand stuff going on here.We are told here that all these criminal cases will cause a turning against Trump,yet most of the facts are already known.Are we to believe that a “ guilty” verdict ( which of course will be appealed) will somehow miraculously change views of Trump? I don’t buy it.We are told here that “ Democratic leaders” ( whoever they are) “want” Biden.Well, they’ve got him and he increasingly looks like a loser.
What’s really upsetting to me is that the Democrats have some decent alternatives.Newsome, Shapiro, Whitmer and several others would make good candidates.Yet, here we sit watching the election and maybe our way of government ( if the pundits are to be believed ) slipping away because one man curiously believes only he can defeat Donald Trump!
Future historians may look back and pontificate on what weird obsession gripped us as we sat around watching our democracy slip away while insisting that only an aging 81 year old unpopular candidate who himself seemed to indicate an ambivalent attitude about even running again was to be our savior,
I hope I’m wrong but I have great foreboding about the coming campaign.
Good Morning….
I feel your worries Jack…
And you point IS well expressed….
I HAVE said here over and OVER….
Joe Biden IS a damn good President…
But we’re NOT talking about that…
I agree….
His political skills ARE sadly lacking….
It IS Mad Crazy that Loud mouth off the fucking walls Donald Trump IS leading in the polls in the states Biden will need to keep his job….
I spoke a Pak-American woman at work two weeks ago…
She said she would not vote for Biden….
I pointed out that Trump had the Muslim ban that he and Stephen Miller WILL reinstate if Trump gets a second term…
How could U vote for THAT?
He answer after a few seconds….
Then I and other muslims will just stay at home….
(Thus giving Trump an advantage)….
Biden DID BEAT Trump on the first go-round….
Democratic leaders ARE afraid to change horses in the middle of things….
The same woman said….
U KNOW Trump is out there….
Biden is NOT…
She’s RIGHT on THAT….
Trump IS an entertainer….
Joe Biden is NOT….
He’s a Congressman that became Vice President….Then President….
The PROBLEM IS?
America and the World NEEDS a President….
Donald Trump is NOT….
Biden’s numb era WILL come back…
Obama coming off Obamacare did ALSO….
There is virtually NO chance he’ll be replaced unless he has some health issue…
Remember…
He IS MORE HEALTH than Donald Trump..
In my heart?
I DO believe that despite the media narritive NOW….
Americans WILl come to see the gravity of next years election and come to their senses and?
‘DO THE RIGHT THING’….
If the 2020 primary and general election taught me anything it’s not to count out Joe Biden.
Amen Scott…..
And while I certainly have apprehension regarding a 2024 rematch of Biden v Trump I think a few things come to mind.
1. In the last century 3 Presidents who were eligible to rum again chose not to. Coolidge in 1928, Truman in 1952, and Lyndon Johnson in 1968. The party in power lost the White House in 2 of those elections. The GOP won in 1928 but would have been better off overall if they didn’t considering they were shut out of the White House for 20 years following the start of the Great Depression.
Honestly I wish that both Trump and Biden declined 2024 bids. However nothing seems to stop the Republican Party’s obsession with Trump. And if Biden stepped aside while Trump ran again the supposedly liberal media would be full of stories about Democrats in Disarray. And Biden stepping down like Truman and LBJ before would be seen as an admission that he could not win.
So yes I’m nervous about the election next year with Biden at the helm. I’d be nervous with Newsom, Whitmer, Harris or Pritzker as the Democratic front runner in the case that Biden opted out.
It’s going to be a close race. Regardless. The GOP has a massive edge with rural voters and the outdated Electoral College gives preference to those states. No Democrat would be running away with the race at this point IMO.
It’s just how it is. But Democrats have outperformed in every special election this year. And with abortion rights amendments being put on the ballot in a number of states next year expect the pro choice majority to be energized.
And when voters tune in to the Presidential and congressional elections we need to hammer home who wants women locked up for aborting a zygote.
And we need to remind voters how shitty 2020 was with covid raging and violence in the streets. That all happened on Trump’s watch. And a few pointed ads in rural anti vaxx counties reminding people that Trump fast tracked the vaccine might help move some votes to RFK Jr.
There’s a lot of work to be done. But I’m not giving up. I’m just getting started!
No problem with u being posted Scott?
Go right ahead.
Well written Scott.
I for one will go on record, Joe Biden will be re-elected in a walk next November.
One, economy is beginning to take off. Inflation is falling quickly, and by Spring the Fed will lower interest rates. It will be Morning in America!
That will leave the Republicans with crime and immigration (two issues they and Fox regularly combine). Except crime is falling in the country and Biden will move to head them off with a compromise immigration bill.
We were told here that January 6th was in the rearview mirror and that the whole Democracy thing wasn’t an important issue by the resident Republican. Both of these predictions/statements are dead wrong. By next fall the issue of a potential dictatorship will be front and center — and Trump’s role in trying to overturn a democratic election will be front and center again. So those people who were worried about their economic futures will be worried about their children living under an authoritarian government.
So forget Haley and little Ron, the Republican nominee will be the most hated man in politics today, and he will face Biden.
As Scott said, people underestimate Biden at their own risk. We were told last time, even after he locked up the nomination on Super Tuesday, that the Party should nominate Andrew Cuomo instead because he did “such an amazing job on COVID!’
How would that have worked out??
The Party is sticking with Joe, even though that won’t stop our friends here from engaging in stupid uninformed speculation.
It’s going to be old Uncle Joe and he will kick the orange guys fat ass.
I do not regard myself as “stupid and uninformed.”
And you well know that.
You may disagree with my position vis a vis Bidens weakness as a candidate but there is no reason to lash out at me in such a manner.
My comments were in no way directed at you Jack, I apologize if it appeared that way:
You understand how this all works, my comments were directed at those who apparently think there is still time for a different outcome. You know those who have predicting that Trump would “fade” over the last three years.
Or that somehow he won’t be the GOP nominee.
I understand.
Thanks.
Not that it matters because she won’t be the Republican nominee but in the same WSJ Poll that showed Trump slightly ahead of Biden,Nikki Haley leads Biden by a whopping 17 points,51%-34%.
Of course since Haley is not regarded as the likely nominee she has not been subjected to the same scrutiny as Biden and Trump.Such would certainly bring her numbers down.It does show however that Biden is presently in a weak position for an incumbent President .
Most of those in the WSJ Poll probably do NOT KNOW what U KNOW about haley Jack….
As I have noted in the past,Nikki is a chameleon and a good one.
She has the ability to be whatever her audience wants her to be and does so very convincingly.
Take the Confederate flag.
While Nikki was first running for Governor of S.C. in 2010,she avoided discussion of the issue of removing it from statehouse grounds claiming,disingenuously, that no one ever asked her about it.
Later, she said it was a legislative issue and not one for the Governor ,while hinting to minority audiences that she would “ like” to see it removed.
After the tragic killings at the AME Church in Charleston ,Nikki saw her chance to play hero.With both Tim Scott and Democratic Rep. Jim Clyburn standing next to her, she demanded the Legislature remove the flag ( which they did about a week later,)which according to her earlier no one really cared much about.
Today a “conservative,tomorrow a “ moderate?” Nikki can play the role.
Haley needs to hir Trump hard on the “dictator just on day one” comment.
This is her chance if she really wants it.
Shall we take bets whether she will or not? His folks will welcome a dictator, actually the majority of the Republicans will. As long as he is white.
Yes the whole point is that the majority of Republicans identify as MAGA.
Nikki may very real emerge as the alternative to Trump.
Her problem?The alternative to Trump will not be able to garner enough votes to overcome Trump for the simple reason that most Republicans are for Trump.
Recent polls DO HAVE Haley moving ahead of DeSantis….
If she beats the Florida Governor in SC ?
I assume he’s gone
Haley’s hope then would be Trump’s legal and ‘dictator’ issues showing Biden gaining traction….
I could be wrong
But?
I still believe Americans, Republican included ain’t gonna vote for the Big guy
To take up, and not necessarily to contradict Scott’s first point:
Insofar as you project from a minuscule number of examples (sample size smaller than the MoE), I see a slightly-different pattern.
(1) LBJ and Harry Truman withdrew their candidacies only after losing the New Hampshire Democratic primary. Jimmy Carter did not withdraw from, and won, the 1980 Democratic contest but still lost badly (not narrowly) in 1980.
(2) Theodore Roosevelt withdrew his G.O.P. candidacy in 1906, because he thought 3-term fears might help the Democrats in the 1906 midterm elections. William Howard Taft then convincingly beat William Jennings Bryan’s third run for the presidency in 1908.
(On the other hand, TR’s disillusionment with WHT led him to run for a third term in 1912 outside the GOP, allowing Woodrow Wilson (D) to defeat a divided Republican Party.)
Calvin Coolidge renounced a second candidacy in the summer of 1927, and Herbert Hoover went on (with the help of some appalling anti-Catholic propaganda against Al Smith) to crush Al Smith in 1928.
Were Biden to withdraw now (just before or after N.H., Iowa & S. Carolina), the situation would be closer to 1948 & 1968 than to 1908 & 1928.
Waiting for a Ok on Scott’s 3:22 PM comment for posting…
Morning
Self-correction: 1952 for 1948:
Were Biden to withdraw now (just before or after N.H., Iowa & S. Carolina), the situation would be closer to 1952 & 1968 than to 1908 & 1928.
Last night Trump had another relapse. He blamed NY Attorney General Letitia James–who took office in 2019–for NY based companies “fleeing the country” and used ExxonMobil as his example. ExxonMobil moved to Dallas, TX (part of the US) in 1989.
https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-suffers-another-cognitive-lapse-implies-dallas-is-another-country
Donald Trump, with a deep knowledge of history matched only by the (genuine) knowledge of Gen. Milley and George W. Bush, was just waxing nostalgic….
The Republic of Texas was independent from 1836 to 1845 (long before Standard Oil ever existed).
According to one former poster here:
“Of course, the week started with Earth shattering political news that Doug Burgum is now out of the Presidential sweepstakes. People will never forget where they were or what they were doing when they first heard that news.”
Really?
Burgum?
Who cates?
It’s a shame, James: irony is lost on you.
On the other hand, we didn’t take seriously, and even mocked, one poster’s prediction eight or ten years ago that Donald Trump would win the 2016 Republican nomination.
Or?
That Obama in trouble a year out from his second term run , in trouble in the polls, would pull things out?
Sort of like when one makes the obvious observation that Trump dominates the Republican Party and James counters that not”all” Republicans support Trump.
Duh, really?
REALLY!
Morning……
NY Giants Win!
Morning……
As has everyone else here I presume I’ve been very busy……
But I’m trying to catch up ….
Good morning All…..
Morning
Republican street drunk and Trump lackey Rudy Giuliani has been ordered by a jury to pay two Georgia election workers 148 million dollars for his vicious lies about their actions during the 2020 election.
They will be lucky to collect much from this old drunk.
I sang the story about Rudy here over snd OVER….
He IS and always was a piece of shit….
New Yorkers sent his ass packing after 9-11….
They knew…
He’s broke
Willis down in Fulton County Ga. Wants to put him in jail….
He’s also being divorced
He’s TOAST….
An ex-Federal prosecutor and BIG City mayor no less!
New Yorkers didn’t send America’s Mayor packing; his second (and at that time final) term was going to expire on December 31, 2001 anyway. There was talk of enabling a third term, but it didn’t get anywhere.
Michael Bloombert was able (against the express choice of New York referendum voters) to get the City Council to enable a third term in 2013, but that’s another story.,
When asked for a two-term limit in another referendum, New York voters voted Yes even more overwhelmingly.
Rudy wanted an extension,….
Thought he’d get it after 9-11
NOPE…..
Despite the outside world views?
The people of the Big Apple KNEW the sucker was Rotten to the Core……
They wuz Right!
DSD is totally right …NewYorkers didn’t do anything to Giuliani.
Rudy was term limited and since he couldn’t run again that somehow equates to New Yorkers “knew” he was “ rotten to the core”?And they uh “ sent his ass packing?”
Yeah that makes sense…How damn dumb!
BULL SHIT……
As I HAVE pointed out here Rudy wanted ANOTHER term as mayor….
That WAS canceled by his OWN party that DID send his ass packing.………
IF? he was so damn popular he wouldn’t have been replaced by ANOTHER Republican, Mike Bloomberg, that kept the Big Apple Mayor’s job FOR 12 Years!AFTER 9-11….
Sorry guys but I’m closer on this one….
Oh, and the Mike Bloomberg , like Trump ?
Started off as a Democrat…Became a GOP to oust Rudy…Then came back home to the Democrats, something U CAN do in NY….
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By ABC News
September 26, 2001, 12:12 PM
‘Against all odds — a bout of prostate cancer, a nasty public divorce and a term limits law written to force him out of office at the end of the year — New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani is exploring ways to stay on the job as his city recovers from deadly terrorist attacks.
At a news conference today, Giuliani remained vague about his plans but said the city needed political leaders who “think outside the box” to recover from the suicide hijacking strikes that destroyed the World Trade Center towers and presumably killed thousands.
“I don’t want a job,” Giuliani said, “I want an approach.”
Sources close to Giuliani said he planned to speak to New York Gov. George Pataki and leaders of the state Legislature in an attempt to get them to extend or change the term limits law that otherwise would force the mayor to leave office on Dec. 31.’
State Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, a Democrat, said the Republican mayor has already called to express a desire that the Assembly “draw an exemption so he could run for a third term.” Silver did not support the proposal….
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Democrats and Republicans went to the polls on Tuesday to choose their candidates for the general election. Before his news conference, sources close to Giuliani said he was exploring the possibility of running on the Liberal or Conservative party lines.
In Tuesday’s primary, media mogul Michael Bloomberg won the Republican endorsement, securing a spot in the Nov. 6 general election against an as-yet unknown Democrat.
Source…
This post of yours proves nothing.
So Giuliani wanted to run again but the legislature didn’t want to change the law?
Your statement was that the people of New York were overwhelmingly opposed to him and there is nothing to suggest that in this article.
Instead it only shows that politically he couldnt change the law.That is a far cry from your assertion that the people “threw his ass out “and “knew that he was rotten to the core.”
Talk about Bullshit.
He, he, he….
Some reasoning IS in order here….
IF Rudy was SO DARN popular?
His pretty WOULD have left him to run forcing Silver to have the 2 and out rule dropped as it WAS for Bloomberg…
IT WASN’T…..
Go argument counselor…
But lacking ….
The proof IS in the REALITY of what happened…
I gave the NY State lawmakers props….
They had to deal with Rudy’s BS….
Even 9-11?
They had had enough…
I saw this up close….
U guys didn’t….
And the piece POINTS to the situation of Bloomberg getting something Rudy wanted but was NOT what he would get….
I will add however that with your well known lack of reading comprehension ?
You might really believe that the stuff you made up is somehow supported by that article.
That is simply sad.
Deja vu all over again. This is the one topic that always triggers me.
When Rudy Giuliani left office as Mayor of New York City, his approval rating per polls within New York City was in the high 70s. That is a fact. You can look it up. He could have easily won another term by an overwhelming margin in 2001 if he was on the ballot. At the time, Giuliani was the most popular figure in America.
Bloomberg did not join the Republican Party for that election to “oust” Giuliani. Indeed, it was Giuliani who convinced him to run, and do so as a Republican. Bloomberg was considered Giuliani’s “puppet” the time, if nothing else. And it worked, Bloomberg won the election, because of how popular Giuliani was at the time.
The machinations of the city and state legislators back then is pretty irrelevant to the main point. It would have been a horrible idea and undemocratic to change the rules that late in the game solely to benefit anyone, no matter how popular they were at the time, or how effective they were considered in the job. Based on what we know how about what happened to Giuliani, he left just in time.
Glad to hear from ya CG…..
The Reality WAS that Shelly Silver who ran the state legislature turned thumbs down to Rudy……
He didn’t do that by himself
He HAD the political landscape WAS there
There are those who will continue to prop up Rudy
Not me……
It just took a bit longer to see him get a pay back
I asked Bing’s Chat bot about Giuliani’s popularity among New Yorkers in 2001, and — for what it’s worth; all the usual A.I. reservations, caveats and cautions apply — here are the first two paragraphs of what it told me (which tended to confirm what I, Jack and CG have been saying:
“In the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, Rudolph Giuliani, the outgoing mayor of New York, underwent a remarkable transformation. Before that fateful day, he was often regarded as “yesterday’s man,” with an awkward and abrasive character that overshadowed his achievements. However, the events of 9/11 thrust him into the spotlight, and he emerged as a national hero.
“Giuliani’s leadership during the crisis garnered widespread acclaim. Just six weeks after the attacks, New York City voters expressed their approval, giving him an impressive 79% approval rating—a dramatic increase from the mere 36% he had received a year earlier. His popularity soared, and he became a symbol of resilience and compassion….
In retrospect, opinion polls taken before 9/11 showed that many New Yorkers couldn’t wait to see the last of him. However, the events of that tragic day transformed him into a hero, leaving an indelible mark on his legacy 1 2 3 4
1 theguardian.com
2 en.wikipedia.org
3 cbsnews.com
4 buzzfeednews.com
On the other hand, opinions about a third term (rejected by the people in not one but two citywide referenda in the 1990’s) were apparently more mixed. I think (but don’t know) that many New Yorkers shared the reservations of the state and city political leadership. See:
The New York Times, September 26, 2001
And if 79% of New York voters approved of Mayor Giuliani in late October 2001, that hardly suggests that they disliked him and his work so intensely that they “sent his ass packing after 9/11.”
He, he, he……….
What happened?
Did the sucker get even a gew months?
Nope
Dod the sucker get a third term?
NOPE
I’ll stick to the REALITY
He packed his bags and left Graci Mansion as John Q Citizen
You guys can’t change what I point out as happened….
And a hearty Good Morning to You ALL❗️….
You just lied that’s all.
This whole thing is so typical of you.
You make up something .When your lie is exposed ,you begin a litany of obfuscations often including more lies .Then announce that,despite an abundance of contrary evidence presented by various posters ,you were right all along.
We have all seen it numerous times and will see it again.Its who you are a ,pathological liar who simply makes things up because that’s the way you want things to be and the facts be damned.
Lied???????
AGAIN?
DID THEY SEND his ass packing?
DID he keep his job?
Nope…..
That’s like saying the American people sent Obamas “ ass packing” because he couldn’t run again .
Dumb just plain old DUMB.
Barack Obama did NOT ask or beg for extra time IN OFFICE….
Rudy DID…..
He got turned DOWN….
Jack?
The REALITY you CANNOT change no matter what u dance at me….
He WAS sent packing.….
A bald faced unmitigated Lie.
Was Ike so unpopular in 1960 that the American people sent “his ass packing”? Or Ronald Reagan so unpopular in 1988?
When most posters here make an error (for example predicting that Donald Trump had no chance in 2016), they either admit it or else stand mute.
But our host (like Donald Trump) is somehow constitutionally unable. to admit he was ever wrong (or at least stop flogging a dead horse).
He thus feels a constant compulsion to resort endlessly to all kind of Jesuitical obfuscation and special pleading (worthy of Trump’s lawyers) to show others (even when they’re right and he isn’t) that his facts and interpretations were tight all along (and theirs weren’t).
Gentlemen?
I HAVE admitted when I AM wrong….
Actually MORE then some who are using adjectives against me….
Continually being stubborn like me is fine…..
Actually?
I get MORE people responding when I get attacked ….
Rudy severed 2 terms….
While he wanted to stay?
He did NOT…
Hence his ugly ass WAS sent packing…
Rudy, a former NYC Mayor, and US Attorney was garbage….
He still IS….
He’s up for $144 Million for LYING about women election officals in Georgia…
He IS up for criminal charges and can’t plea deal hus way down there…
He may have other elgal liabilities in othe venues…
I in fact give facts to back up my views against just ‘lies’ comments….
And NO factual backup’s….
I LOVE this place….
I CAN deal with this….
No problem guys….
Mentioning me in same sentence as Trump give me goosebumps …
Much like DJT, JBF is a shameless pathological liar for the reasons already presented, using the tactics already mentioned.
Why is anyone left here still enabling him? With 2024 approaching, what is the point of anyone (myself included) commenting here besides to lash out in frustration. Let this site die already.
This is silly. 22 years ago Rudy Guiliani would have easily won another term as NYC mayor.
In the years between then and now the man became a complete joke. A drunk, a liar, a crook and a pervert. But in 2001 he was quite popular.
Why James wants to argue that he wasn’t is asinine.
In 2001 he was something to You OUTSIDE of NYC have a view of, that IS false….
I cannot change ur views….
Live with it….
Those on the ground BEFORE and actually afterwards KNOW and have NO problem with Rudy sent packing….
I give 2 examples below….
I could give MANY others from PEOPLE who suffered thru Rudy’s mess….
Again?
They lived thru Rudy in person…
…
Jill Grant
Former Retail Sales (1976–2003)Upvoted by
Jennifer Dougherty
, lives in New York City (2013-present) and
Obie Hunt
, lives in New York City (1950-present)Author has 35.6K answers and 130.7M answer views3y
He was involved with the woman he dumped his wife for. Telling her he was divorcing the mother of his children on television. He then brought his mistress in the front door of the mayoral mansion, and kicked his wife and kids out the back. This may surprise you, but even jaded New Yorkers took this as poor behavior.
He did not run again, and he left New York as soon as the cameras left the WTC and it became known that he’d gone the cheap route for communications devices that cost so many first responders their lives and health at the ‘pile’.
He turned to Bloomberg, who had won the election in November, and told him he might as well start now since he was going to have to handle it. He was neither stellar, nor spectacular.
158.8K views
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Robert Croghan
, lives in New York City (1942-present)Author has 1.2K answers and 7.3M answer views2y
Nobody in NYC ever thought of him as “America’s Mayor” although 9/11 was a God send for Rudy. He was going to be term limited out of office at the end of the year and he already had lost a lot of support in NYC for what were being seen as racially motivated police crackdowns. 9/11 briefly gave him the chance for the type of authoritarian rule he believed he deserved but he sealed his own demise when he suggested that it was somehow inappropriate to inaugurate a new Mayor in a time of crises such as post 9/11. Most locals were happy to see him go.
Source…
Today IS what this place IS about….
No, James; why are you flogging a dead horse?
I specifically asked Bing what Giuiliani’s popularity among NEW YORKERS (not the nation as a whole) was in 2001. Six weeks after 9/11, his fellow New Yorkers approved him by 79%.
You haven’t persuaded one single solitary contributor here, but you have some inner drive to convince yourself.
Ok….
The specific question did Rudy get a polling bump off of 9-11?
Of Course….
Again…
Beating that dead horse….
New Yorker’s…New York City resident’s gladly waved Good Bye to him as in the comments I listed…..
I DO understand where everybody here that were NOT here see’s things….
9-11 did him a favor….
I pointed out here something else you guys whould not know….
Cops and Firemen came to displike the Mayor also from his 9-11 actions….
He ordered everyone off the pile for a period of time with out Scott airpaks…
The cops and fire fighter where incensed….
The Mayor changed his mind a short time afterwards…
Again….
I respect everyone’s views …
But u guys simply do NOT KNOW or understand the situation of Rudy’s time as Mayor….
Or the criticism he came under for his ‘ledereship’ during the 9-11 aftermath…..
A perfect example of someone telling a lie so many times, he starts believing the lie himself.
Ha, ha, ha…..
Jack?
I’m just as stuborn as U in my beliefs…..
One can have beliefs and opinions but when they contradict known and provable FACTS?
Then they become lies and that’s the case here.
Seemingly you don’t understand that rather simple concept or you do and just continue to lie because you are “ stubborn.”
Whichever, and despite your well known blather that you are having “ fun?”You are in effect insulting your fellow posters and branding yourself as a mindless jerk.
CG says this site should”die.”It has served as a refuge for a few of us from the old Politics 1 site and we have stayed despite what I can only describe as your “ shenanigans “ through the years.I have left and returned a few times through the years
It does appear though that you are more interested in entertaining yourself than respecting your fellow posters here.
This latest foolishness seems to make that clear.You should really think about what you are doing.
I have heard ur speech for over a decade here….
I suppose I will continue to hear it…..
No problem…….
Good Morning everyone!
Chetter
@IndependentMr
Trump to a crowd of cultists in Reno, NV tonight:
“We’re going to win four more years in the White House, then after that we’ll negotiate. Based on the way I was treated; we’re probably entitled to another four after that.”
Morning
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Ca) WILL retire from the US Congress on Dec. 31, 2023…..
Morning
The Senate has recessed…..
The House last week…….
No answer on Israel, Taiwan, or Ukraine money
Spending bills will wait…..
Border bill in flux….
Morning everyone
New Open Thread coming later…..,
I read that the House in the do-nothing 118th Congress has passed just 22 bills so far; everything else is procedure, declaration and show.
The Great Republican US House tenure!…..
‘Do Nothing
CongressHouse’Unsurprisingly,Republican street drunk Rudy Giuliani has filed for bankruptcy.