Joseph Biden, the President of the United States of America does a speech pointing his finger at the guy he beat in November 2020….
The President, without naming the guy…..
Threw down to America and the World that a year ago?
An American President and his supporters DID try to overthrow the government and the system of Democracy….
In doing that?
Biden said Trump used as a ‘web of lies’ to keep crying about being what Trump hates….
Being a ‘loser’….
Donald Trump , as he has during his life ……
Seeks to bend the ‘rules’ to only win…
NOT support the Constitution , something he swore on bible , when. he became President to uphold…
Without saying his name?
President Joe Biden stood up for America…
Something Donald Trump has NEVER done…
Stop crying…
Acknowledge you lost …..
In his most vehement attack on the former president since taking office, Mr. Biden used the anniversary of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol to accuse Mr. Trump of waging an “undemocratic” and “un-American” attack on the legitimacy of the election system, saying he and his allies placed “a dagger at the throat of American democracy.”
“For the first time in our history, a president not just lost an election, he tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power as a violent mob breached the Capitol,” Mr. Biden said, standing in the same National Statuary Hall where a mob of Trump supporters invaded a year ago. After encouraging the mob, Mr. Biden added, Mr. Trump sat watching in his White House dining room “doing nothing for hours as police were assaulted, lives were at risk, the nation’s Capitol under siege.”
Without using Mr. Trump’s name, the president accused his predecessor of trying to rewrite history. “He has created and spread a web of lies about the 2020 election,” Mr. Biden said. “He’s done so because he values power over principle, because he sees his own interest as more important than his country’s interest.” Mr. Biden added: “He can’t accept he lost.”
The speech kicked off a day of commemorations that, instead of showcasing American unity, will underscore just how fractured the nation remains a year after Mr. Trump’s refusal to accept defeat at the ballot box stirred backers to invade the Capitol, disrupt the counting of the Electoral College votes and send lawmakers scurrying for safety.
Mr. Biden and Democratic leaders plan addresses, discussions and a candlelight vigil while Republican leaders largely stayed away. Mr. Trump originally planned a news conference at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida to rail against the investigation into the attack but canceled to the relief of Republicans who considered it counterproductive.
The disparate approaches to the day reflect how much Jan. 6 has become interpreted through a political lens. Democrats view the storming of the Capitol as an existential threat to constitutional democracy unlike any in modern times. Most Republicans would rather focus on anything else, with some convinced that it is being used as a partisan weapon against them and others fearful of crossing Mr. Trump, who continues to wield outsize power within the party.
Feelings remain raw on Capitol Hill, a place of post-traumatic stress that has yet to fully recover from the psychological and political scars of an assault that led to at least seven deaths and hundreds of injuries. More than the usual acrimony over legislative differences, the legacy of Jan. 6 has exacerbated the toxic rift between members and staff aides on opposite sides of the aisle.
While Mr. Biden has hesitated to engage in a back-and-forth with his predecessor, he used his 20-minute speech to more directly blame Mr. Trump for encouraging the violence a year ago than ever before. And he offered a striking portrait of the fragility of the two-century-old American system.
“At this moment we must decide what kind of nation we are going to be,” Mr. Biden said. “Are we going to be a nation that accepts political violence as a norm? Are we going to be a nation where we allow partisan election officials to overturn the legally expressed will of the people? Are we going to be a nation that lives not by the light of the truth but in the shadow of lies? We cannot allow ourselves to be that kind of nation.”….
President Biden on Thursday forcefully rebuked former President Trump in an address marking the anniversary of the deadly Jan. 6 insurrection in the Capitol, accusing the former president of spreading a “web of lies” that laid the groundwork for the attack by a mob of supporters one year ago.
In a lengthy address from Statuary Hall, Biden said that Trump put his own interests over those of the country, and directly and forcefully disputed the former president’s false claims that Biden’s election was won with fraudulent votes.
“The former president of the United States of America has created and spread a web of lies about the 2020 election. He has done so because he values power over principle, because he sees his own interest as more important than his country’s interest, America’s interest, and because his bruised ego means more to him than our democracy and our Constitution,” Biden said, his voice rising throughout the speech. “He can’t accept he lost.”….
It’s Jan. 6 Keith…
Go back and look how much people talked about this….
Even U have repeatedly downplayed the post actions have been….
The media is casting this as President Biden’s ‘finest hour’…..
We’ll see….
Oh, and Donald Trump ain’t in jail…
Right?
He’s STILL crying?
And his minions are STILL crying with him…..
As EVER accusation Trump has made is knocked down….
I KNOW U and Jack may want elevate Trump…
But?
In actuality ?
He Gets smaller EVERY day……
Today included….
Florida Leads Nation In Capitol Riot Cases
Florida has more citizens involved in federal cases regarding the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol than any other state by far, Axios reports.
People don’t talk about it because other than Corey and you, we all think it was an attack on our Democracy. One the Republicans were complicit in.
Cheap silly response James, because you know you are wrong, you and Corey are the only two that downplayed this attack.
“People don’t talk about
About it?” The world is talking about it.
See Zreebs…
There you go. The obsession is on his side. I have not posted here in days and he continuously references me using the name that you “wished” he would not use. Why can’t you do anything to control him?
And of course what is said about me is an outright lie. I have not “downplayed” anything.
Our friend, like James, clearly wishes this could be all in the “rear view mirror,” and the Bush salad days of the Republican Party would somehow magically reappear.
Note to James and Corey: they’re gone, for good.
I distinctly remember our friend not only downplaying the whole Republican insurrection one year ago, but insisting that Nancy Pelosi’s role be investigated and the investigation include a review of the Portland disturbances (as if one thing had anything to do with the insurrection in Washington).
Jack’s reply to Corey’s “what about” was to advise him to get his GOP license plate back.
Too many whataboutisms to remember I know, especially when you are trying to change the topic from the Republican attempt to subvert an election and steal the next one.
This sort of babbling might be an unfortunate result of old age.
Nothing in this is remotely true, but of course, once again, note to Zreebs, he is incapable of posting without referencing me. Definitely some kind of obsession.
I know that I specifically agreed with Liz Cheney that an Independent 1/6 Commission should not have anything to do with the riots in Portland. So, completely off base there. Of course, the violence in Portland is also something that the perpetrators of should be punished for. Does anybody really disagree?
I said an investigation of the events of 1/6 should cover everything, including the roles of the Capitol Police and the two bodies in regards to the Sgt at Arms, and the Leadership, etc in regards to what was expected to happen and what steps were put in place to combat it. How can we learn going forward from whatever mistakes happened? If Pelosi has nothing to hide, as I assume she does not, that should never have been an issue.
“jack” since you were referenced, do you disagree with my position?
You are rewriting history Corey. Like a Japanese historian.
You are trying to spin your whatabouts of then into something else.
There was only one reason Jack told you to “get your license plate back Bo” and it didn’t remotely reflect on what you are now writing.
You were pushing the Republican “nothing to see here” line.
Either horrible confusion or an outright lie. On here, I specifically cited what Liz Cheney had said when the debate was over the Independent 1/6 Commission.
That the riots in Portland and the other violence over the summer of 2020 should be investigated but not part of the same committee. I disagreed with Congressional Republicans who wanted to link the two.
I don’t know what “Bo” means. jack did you call me “Bo?” Is that something I should know the meaning of?
Most Americans are worried about consumer prices, getting the virus, and when they will be able to go back a pre-pandemic normal…..
For most of them….
Trump’s attempted ‘coup’ is old history….
Only one House Republican showed up for the moment of silence honoring the fallen Capitol police officers who were killed one year ago today.
So much for backing the blue.
Adam Kinzinger has been a stalwart on this and was perhaps out of town or had another commitment. Does anybody disagree that Kinzinger has been very good on all this?
But yes, Liz Cheney was there, standing right next to her father, former Vice President Dick Cheney. Long before a mob said they wanted to execute Mike Pence, Keith said several times that he wanted Dick Cheney to be executed.
Just another example of how Keith is much like a Trumpist.
I heard a portion of a Kinzinger interview on MSNBC this morning. He said his son is about to be born, so I assume he might be in Illinois today.
Confirmed via interview with Jake Tapper. Kinzinger is at home. His wife is about to have a baby. He would have been there for the moment of silence otherwise and was disappointed more were not.
Trump Did Not Want to Tell Rioters to ‘Stay Peaceful’
“A former Trump White House official said then-President Donald Trump initially refused to tweet the words “stay peaceful” as the attack on the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, was escalating,” CNN reports.
“The former official, who was working in the West Wing and was close to White House messaging during the insurrection, said Trump did not want to include the words ‘stay peaceful’ and was ‘very reluctant to put out anything when it was unfolding.’”
Instead, the former official said Trump was “letting it play out.”
Loser Trump…..
Still ALL about HIMSELF…..
Former President Trump on Thursday responded to President Biden’s fiery speech on the anniversary of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, saying the remarks alluding to Trump’s role in the riot deepened political divides in the country.
Trump, in a statement released just as Biden wrapped up his speech in Statuary Hall, called the remarks “political theater.”
“This political theater is all just a distraction for the fact Biden has completely and totally failed,” Trump said.
Trump said that Biden “used my name today to try to further divide America.” While Biden indirectly blamed Trump for the insurrection and referred to the former president multiple times during the speech, he did not call Trump out by name…..
More…
kinzinger was clearly justified in going home.
Gaetz Says He’s ‘Proud of Work We Did’ on January 6
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) doubled down on his rhetoric about the Capitol insurrection on Thursday, saying that he is “ashamed of nothing” and “proud of the work we did” on Jan. 6, Axios reports.
Next Jan 6 Kinzinger won’t be im Comgress sadly. And Liz Cheney might not be either. Though I an “rooting” for her to knock off any primary opponents.
Does CG really think any new House Republicans will be elected who would attend next Jan 6?
I think it’s more likely you will see House GOP members pushing for a commutation of sentence for Emily Hernandez–the insurrectionist who was drunk driving and murdered another driver in Missouri the other night.
I disagree with the last part but I don’t think it was said seriously. I hope we can agree though that there are way too many violent criminals these days being let out on bail, merely being put on house arrest or otherwise not being prosecuted.
In regards to Kinzinger, it should of course not be forgotten that Illinois Democrats deliberately targeted him via redistricting. They prefer that any remaining Republicans from the delegation (representing the conservative pockets in the state) be as Trumpist as possible and will likely work to help Mary Miller defeat Rodney Davis in a primary in another district.
What is next 1/6? I do not think there was a formal House session today. Are members even in town? What percent of the Democrats were there?
I would assume that a majority of House Republicans have released statements in regards to 1/6. Ted Cruz has gotten himself in trouble in some quarters for speaking out against 1/6.
Trump wished a posthumous happy birthday to Ashley Babbitt so I don’t put it past him to speak fondly of Emily Hernandez.
And if he does do you really think Josh “fist bump” Hawley will say anything ill of it? If so you haven’t been paying attention to everything that’s happened in the 365 days since Lindsay Graham claimed he was done with Trump and Trumpism.
You said House Republicans, not Trump. But no, he’s not going to, even if she is not an illegal Mexican.
I am glad you want to see drunk drivers, especially those who cause deaths, to be punished severely. I assume that relates to non-insurrectionists as well.
90% of the time the difference between House Republicans and Trump is negligible
Of course I want to see drunk drivers punished. There is never an excuse for it and it speaks to an entitlement. Hernandez thought she was above the law last Jan. 6 and earlier this week. It is at least in part due to House Republi cans like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Madison Cawthorn defending the insurrectionists that she thinks that way.
I don’t see the connection.
Some people are insurrectionists
Some are drunk drivers (far larger number)
Some might be both, but there is no statistical connection that can be made.
Hopefully, one would be neither.
Only one Republican showed up out of 200 plus.
If that was my party I would what about too.
And roughly 12 Democrats out of over 220.
Not a big event in either case. I hope they were nicer to Dick Cheney than you would have been.
According to ABC News they were and all of the handful of Democrats present walked over “one by one” to Vice President Cheney to introduce themselves and shake his hand.
Good to hear.
Of course, maybe Democrat tribalists can claim they were really trying to give him the virus.
“”Of course, maybe Democratic tribalists can claim they were really trying to give him the virus”.
Really? What Democratic tribalism would say that? Or was this just a weak attempt at a joke?
Considering that he once made a crack about “Joe Personchin,” I’d buy into the weak joke theory.
Did I make that joke? I don’t remember. I kind of like it though.
Hopefully, the Democrats here can agree that no former Republican Vice President should be hung or executed.
For one person, it would be a shift in opinion, but maybe it is possible.
Something about how left wing activists were going to try canceling Senator Manchin’s name, and then he’d have to go as “Joe Personchin.”
I’m against the death penalty because it has been unfairly applied to minorities. Killing more white people is not a solution. – even if Dan Quayle was actually the best GOP we had since GHWB.
Yes, sounds like something I might have pointed out, in the realm of former leftwing Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman becoming Holtzperson.
In fairness, Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld(as well as Bill Clinton and Donald Trump) are legit war criminals.
As to whether probable war criminals like Henry Kissinger, William J. Clinton, George W. Bush, Richard B. Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Donald J. Trump
are in fact guilty and should be executed, an actual court should determine all that.
Likewise, I believe anybody in any way caught up in the arrangement and execution of the January 6 insurrection should face treason charges and put to death if convicted. And that is the very limited scope in which I support the death penalty.
None of those people are war criminals. Clinton and Trump might be other kinds of criminals. Rumsfeld has already died.
The same sort of extremist statement you would have made back as a kid SE.
There’s many points to be made about Clinton bombing a small country to distract from impeachment, the selling and execution of the Iraq War, and Trump’s hit on the Iranian General.
We can’t make conclusive statements in our non judicious capacity as blog posters, but speaking as myself it does all seem to point in that direction.
Also, there’s Obama’s drone hit on the children of al Quaeda combatants, which is questionable at best.
The Iranian General was a definite threat. One of the only good things Trump did.
I’ll give Clinton the benefit of the doubt on the wag the dog thing. Making a political decision, if it even was that, is not the same as being a “war criminal.”
Obama killed a whole lot of civilians with drones as collateral damage. Probably a sad but necessary thing though. Not a war crime.
I guess there won’t be anyone left soon who is not a war criminal.
What’s really sad is we have people on our own shores who would pursue these dubious actions against fellow citizens who dissent to the stated political line. And the current crop of GOP politicians go along with it.
As bad as one may regard those figures of the semi recent past, the people coming up now are way worse. Like Chinese Communist Party worse. I am not optimistic about the future.
Dumb Dead Republican of the Day
https://news.yahoo.com/anti-vax-radio-host-got-171004945.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKEMmAgmfuCIxadDAh9HorrGedSBiXR4xESRI60ctKCoTetXA9JMClF20KGiIuCnw8KvFWW_Y9OD7zbIop5xWS-bX5e-9beN6vHh_ZZqOm881hoLpPH8keCNx7kH5ApVywZmVbIfPl6PzMHz1dIS7BslWi-FtZAtN5VvFQnjkUWf
Lots more to follow Scott and it’s tough to feel any sympathy for their stupidity.
You know after the Republicans on the Hill (the majority of who voted to overturn a legitimate election) ignored today’s ceremony honoring the dead Capitol police officers who died trying to protect them on January 6th, I think we should just drop the whole Trumpist bullshit that is used to delineate those elected Republican members of Congress who actually oppose Trump with those who are in tank with him.
Today proved that other than Cheney and Kinzinger none of the other folks have the stones to even show up at an event honoring dead cops. Because it might make Trump angry.
So there is no real difference between Republicans or a Trumpist. Right? Today proves he owns them and he’s the head of the Republican Party.
I’m surprised that Non-Trumper or Never-Trumper Cong. Peter Meijer (a Republican military veteran from Gerald Ford’s old district in Grand Rapids, Mich.) didn”t attend.
Meijer seemingly has concluded that Trump is the only option for the Republican Party presently or so he said the other day.
I’ve opined previously on the division among Trumpists, non Trumpists and Never Trumpists in the Republican Party.
Of course Trump totally dominates the Republican Party.Even Peter Meijer who voted for impeaching him admits that.
Frankly ,these daily repetitive arguments over that obvious fact have grown boring.Anyone who refuses to grasp such a simple reality is ,in my view ,not a serious person and is simply engaging in some kind of self delusion for reasons that are unclear and that I really don’t care about any way.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.No one is entitled to their own facts.
I agree completely Jack, it is getting old. But at least two of our small band of posters here are trying desperately to convince themselves that the old Republican Party will emerge from this fog to reclaim its old self.
Frankly, it wasn’t any great shakes in the first place after years of racist dog whistles.
I will be redundant here because yesterday was a classic example of how the GOP is controlled completely by an insane narcissist. No elected Republican other than Liz Cheney decided to honor the fallen Capitol police officers who died trying to protect them from an angry mob. Why? Because Trump wouldn’t like it.
What more proof do we need?
The response from the two Trump deniers here, people don’t care about that. Really?
They want to talk about gas prices and told us the insurrection is a losing issue, “It’s in the rear view mirror” was the initial response.
Our Democracy is under attack and folks don’t seem to recognize that. They still respond with fawning references to a has been Republicans that started a twenty year un-winnable war based on a lie. Doesn’t matter whether Dick Cheney is a war criminal or not, he was the best the anti-Trump faction had to offer up to those folks in blue who the Republicans claim to support.
The rest, Ms.,Lindsay, Cancun Cruz, and the self proclaimed next Speaker were either MIA or making shit up about how political Biden was making the 6th political.
They did that when they overwhelmingly voted to overthrow a duly elected government. And then, of course, our chief Republican apologist in residence tried to explain to us how both parties are responsible for this insurrection through a series of whatabouts.
Joe Biden gave a great speech yesterday aimed at letting Virus weary Americans know that there is only one party dedicated to maintaining fair and open elections.
As someone who has spent the last two weeks reading the foreign press reviews of old Joe I was struck by how his Presidency looks from their perspective. He’s doing very well on the world stage.
Now that too will be dismissed by our resident bed wetters because he hasn’t made ignorant asshole Republicans get vaccinated, driven inflation to zero, or cured cancer. But the economy did create 800,000 new jobs last month and it’s about to take off to record growth. Something the last three loser Republican Presidents could only dream about.
Is Joe perfect, no. Is he doing a great job, yes.
So, can we now stop pretending that Trump isn’t the Republican Party. What more proof does one need?
Correction: I was way off on job growth but those numbers are usually revised upward significantly. Unemployment, however, has dropped to another half century record low.
In other news, Ted Cruz has apologized for calling the January 6th insurrectionists “terrorists.” Wonder why?
Ted Cruz on Thursday walked back his use of the word “terrorist” when describing the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol during an intense back and forth with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who repeatedly questioned the validity of the Republican senator’s explanation.
Cruz was lambasted during Carlson’s Wednesday night show for describing Jan. 6 as “a violent terrorist attack on the Capitol.” During his Thursday night appearance, when Carlson asked him why he used the word “terrorist,” Cruz brushed off his previous phrasing as “sloppy” and “frankly dumb.”…
More…
What a pitifully display of pandering.
However,not surprising really.Fox News,particularly it’s nightly trio of Carlson ,Hannity and Ingram literally lay down the Republican Party line .Those Republican politicos who choose to defy them do so at great peril as the “base” of the party are far more influenced by these three than any specific Republican politician except forTrump.
And Hannity ‘tells’ Trump what to do?
Who’s in charge here????😳
Yes. Biden did make a great and important speech.
Who cares what Biden says?
Remember a couple of months ago Clown Car James B told us that Trumps grip on the Republican Party is waning.
That is not the case: South Dakota Senator & Minority Whip (would be next in Line Majority or Minority Leader after Mitch McConnell) is expected to announce his Retirement on Sunday because of former President Trump.
Actor Sidney Poitier dies at 94.
https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-movies-race-and-ethnicity-academy-awards-214e66b7e52909bdc64465e9ff4a1339
Sorry to hear about Sidney Poitier….
Afternoon
Nothing like starting the day off working ur snow blower….
And shoveling!
WI-SEN
Senator Ron Johnson running for Re-Election and is expected to kick off his Campaign next week. Johnson citing Bidens incompetent Policies why he changed his mind.
He’s a liar, a cheat and a would be thief
In other words, a typical Republican.
Ron Johnson isan evil dumbass. Worth reviewing…
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/investigations/daniel-bice/2021/12/30/u-s-sen-ron-johnsons-10-most-controversial-statements-2021/9042901002/
The J0urnal-Sentinel’s David Brice puts forth some very weak or not-completely-responsive counterfacts and counterarguments to some of those Ron Johnson statements and assertions, not all of which are strictly false.
For example Johnson said (rightly or wrongly) that the top 20% pay 40% of income tax revenues, but Brice cites the average individual rate. Both could be true if the top 20% receive (as I think they might well do) a vastly disproportionate share of income.
Mouthwash is hardly equivalent in Covid-stopping power to testing, distance and vaccination, but that doesn’t mean that it might help to some degree.
Ron Johnson still ranks as the dumbest member of what was once upon a time the World’s Greatest Deliberative Body.
Good Morning everyone…..
Biden’s numbers may be moving up again after the two throw downs……
The things you see in retail…
As I walk out of the stall, having un-lit the fire from under my own being, I saw an old man doing similar to what I once did the first time I ever used a urinal. Yes, he had his pants, under and outer, dropped to pee and fully exposing the bottom backside. Given he is likely a Trump base voter, I feel like I have seen the ass of America. And folks, the ass of America is not holding up too good.
Indeed…….
Afternoon people….
Comedian and Hollywood icon Bob Saget dies at 65.
https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/bob-saget-dead-full-house-star-afv-host-1235149876/amp/
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio.) has rejected a request from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack to voluntarily cooperate with their investigation.
“This request is far outside the bounds of any legitimate inquiry, violates core Constitutional priciples, and would serve to further erode legislative norms,” Jordan wrote to committee chair Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), according a copy of the letter posted online by Axios….
More…
Well Gym Jordan didn’t do anything when college kids were being raped on his watch so he has a history of not cooperating with law enforcement.
Yes this is about as shocking as Tom Brady throwing a touchdown pass!
They should tell him it’s a Benghazi hearing.
Jordan just doesn’t want his role in the insurrection to be known.
The tip-off?
Jordan is talking about the “Constitution.”
To paraphrase an Old lawyers saying…
You got an innocent client Talk about the facts.You got a guilty client talk about the law or the Constitution.
Morning everyone….
Morning
Doug Schoen has an article linked in Politicalwire about an “opening” for Hillary Clinton in 2024.
A Google search of this guy shows an article titled “Expect a Third Party Candidate in 2012”.
In other words. Pure fiction.
Scott?
Hillary Clinton 2024?
Why are Democrats opposed to the idea?
Because even she doesn’t want to happen.
One could similarly ask why Republicans are so obsessed with Hillary
That response does not make an ounce of sense.
If she was a good candidate and a good person to be President previously, the term was often used “most qualified candidate ever for the Presidency” why would it not apply still?
Do you simply think she is unelectable or do you think she would be the wrong person to be President?
And Doug Schoen is not a Republican. He was a long-time, top level Hillary consultant.
Perhaps he wants her to run because he would like the paycheck from working for her again, but that’s nothing unusual in politics.
Maybe cause Trump beat her but lost to Biden?
That’s for GOPer’s…
So, you think she is unelectable? You sure felt differently for a long time.
Right now, Biden appears un-reelectable. Most serious people believe he is unlikely to run in 2024. So, Democrats will need someone, right?
According to you everyone is “unelectable” in 2024–except a mystery third party candidate to be named later.
Hillary Clinton was easily the best choice for our country in 2016 and I’m glad I cast a vote for her instead of throwing it away on Mickey Mouse or whatever.
But her time has come and gone.
I’ve never said anything remotely like that.
Trump could get elected in 2024, based on current dissatisfaction with Biden as President (along with many others) not that I would want it to happen. In theory, Hillary could get elected in 2024, but you say her “time has come and gone.”
Would you say the same about Biden now?
I wish a lot more Republicans had the “no tolerance for losers” standard that Scott is showing towards Hillary.
Mitt would have to get an exception if he ran of course.
Not at all what I said but, I don’t have time for your dumb games today. I will strongly support the Democratic nominee in 2024 because there is a 99+% chance the choice will be between Trumpism (whether the GOP nominee he Trump Cruz Hawley or DeSantis) and a Demovratic President. You will not in all likelihood be voting for a third party candidate with no chance, writing in an insignificant name, or voting for a GOP nominee that will be good enough for you, since he, or she , won’t be Trump himself (but will almost certainly have his blessing).
Sounds like a rant that has zero connection to what was being otherwise discussed.
Vote for whom you want of course. I will have to see what my best option is.
Personally, I feel better about my 2016 vote than my 2020 vote, but I have always owned up to my choices. Of course, there is irony since you are an unrepentant Perot and Nader voter. You just seem to not approve of others doing what you chose to do.
If Hillary’s time has “come and gone” how else can it be interpreted that because she lost and thus does not deserve another chance? It can’t be about age, because she is a few years younger than Biden, unless someone also clearly believes Biden is too old also.
Trump also lost (worse than Hillary) so I wish Republicans would also come to the conclusion that “his time has come and gone.” Nonetheless, a majority of Republicans at least state they want a different nominee in 2024. It’s a start.
He, he, he….
U’d REALLY like Hillary to run against Trump, eh CG?
Easy pickings ?
No james, you are being very dense. I thought you would perhaps know more about my beliefs.
1. Analysis is not the same as “like”, although for you it probably is.
2. I do not think Trump would easily beat Hillary
3. The last person in America I would want to see elected President is Donald Trump
So, “clean yourself up” a bit.
Ok….
Then why are u shopping Hillary around for a run CG…
She’s NOT competitive …
You are being ridiculous again james.
She will be mentioned as a potential candidate. I wanted to know why the Democrats here would be opposed to the idea. The consensus seems to be that she is unelectable and should get off the stage.
But isn’t that a tough thing to say about the person whom was alleged to be the “most qualified person to ever seek the Presidency?”
She’s being mentioned by people like u who want her to be easy picking for Republicans CG…..
Don’t matter what was….
This is now….
Stop your bs james with this “people like me.”
I am not anybody important and there is no reason to believe I will necessarily be hoping for a Republican to win.
If I solely wanted “easy pickings” for Republicans right now, that looks like Biden trying to seek reelection.
There are many Democrats who theoretically would run much worse than Hillary. You are just feeling guilty you have now turned your back on her.
K CG….
Then give it up on the Hillary thing?
THAT just smells like u want Trump to do a replay win….
Believe me CG?
Hillary Clinton don’t care or need this dogs attention…..
Oh Snap CG…
Ya have company…..
The Wall Street Journal@WSJ
From
@WSJopinion
: If Democrats want a fighting chance at winning the presidency in 2024, Hillary Clinton is likely their best option, write
@DouglasESchoen
and Andrew Stein
She’s 74 and U can bet ur Ass Putin will doubling down against winning…
Go take a break and celebrate your football coach getting fired.
YO CG!….
THANK YOU for cluing me to this!!!!!….
Amen!…
Thank You Mr. Mara…..
Whew!….
There IS hope!
There is literally nobody who is not clinically insane, who has read what I have written on the internet for seven years plus and in anyway believes that I am somehow scheming to help Donald Trump.
Go take a nap or something.
Barging on ur conversation with Scott CG……
Donald Trump has been and IS his OWN worst enemy….
He would have 3 years of legal minefield to stumble thru to get to November 2024….
I DO NOT thing a guy with as much bad karma and excess baggage as Donald Trump is gonna be in ANY shape or form to run for President weather his minions like it or not….
For the record, my personal view is that neither DJT or HRC ever had or will any business seeking the Presidency.
DJT DID and DID win the prize which is about ALL he ever wants…
Now we can’t get him from crying because he IS A LOSER❗️
Heck I though Hillary would beat Obama….
Got THAT wrong….
I’d bet she still get applause in some places…
But yea….
Scott’s right…
Her time is past…..
Yes CG….
She IS unelectable….
Yes I thought she had it until the end when she just ‘thought’ she had it and she messed up her campaign….
I disagree on President Biden’s chances for a 2nd term in office…
I know people think I’m crazy on this but running against Trump I feel would be a ‘lock’ for a Biden second term…
I guess nothings “impossible “ but I think a Hillary Clinton candidacy in 2024 is highly unlikely.
As to Biden, he will be 82 or so in 2024.No one near that old has ever been elected or re-elected President.He would be 86 if re-elected and he served out his term.
I think the odds of him running for re-election are less than 50/50.
So if Biden does not run, and Hillary does not run, (and no Michelle Obama or Oprah), it’s either going to be Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren as the nominee.
That is a prediction I feel fairly confident about.
Good for you.
I feel confident in predicting that if Trump runs he will be the Republican candidate.
If he doesn’t he and Tucker Carlson will have a veto over who the Republican candidate will be.
Hint? It won’t be anyone who has criticized Trump in the past..
I will also predict that Mitt Romney will not attend the Republican Convention nor will his name be mentioned. I the event it is.? He will be loudly booed.
Ok?
I was wrong about Obama vs Hillary…
But I got Biden right almost from the jump….
Warren CANNOT win SC , which means she she can’t win the nomination….
Neither Oprah or Michelle Obama do I se as wanting to go thru the wringer of a campaign….
And THAT IS Why Democrats have Linley Harris as the plan ‘B’ now and they ain’t happy or comfortable with RTHAT, being that Harris is unimpressive so far….
Harris would be the leader if her boss don’t run…
She just could get the early black vote which would make things hard for anyone to knock her out of the lead….
All this progressive female’s fro president shit is just that bull shit….
AOC or even Stacey Adams have little to no chance of being seen as serious commanders-in chief of the United States of America….
Right now?
I have no damn idea who could successfully replace Biden is he doesn’t run…
And anyone who tell’s so is just whistling in the dark….
The D party is on a determined leftward march.
If it won’t be Biden, (and it probably won’t) it’s going to be someone pledging to fight the enemy harder and be more “progressive.”
Somebody tell me how old is Donald Trump?
How old would he be for a 4 year term?
75 and he would be younger than Biden.
Ha, ha, ha…..
This age thing is a fuckin joke!
THREE YEARS DIFFERNCE‼️
Trump IS 74….
Overweight and not of sound mind….
And a crybaby….
Biden is 77…
Has been seen riding a bike even…
Maybe don’t want to speak to much to the media so he don’t screw up…
But?
He ain’t crying….
And he BEAT ole’ Donald by how may votes and electors?
almost a four year diff in age. That can be significant. Ask doctors about getting older.
Yes, Trump is fatter than Biden. Biden looks well more than 4 years older than Trump.
Trump needs the Fox Bozo’s to advise him on how to be President……
Nuff said!
Sorry for the typos. It’s impossible to reply on mobile devices in this format.
The only time I ever felt the necessity to type something on here from a mobile device that could not wait was the time (probably in 2015) when james said that Trump was Jewish.
We just about ALL do so from time to time….
Spell check and guess are wonderful except when they get in the damn way…..
I don’t post from my work computer.
I cleaned ya up Scott…..
The third party candidates I voted for were actual candidates for the Presidency.
That being said it was almost an impossibility that Perot would be the winner and an impossibility that Nader would be in those years.
I’m not proud of nor ashamed that I cast those votes but if I had 2000 to do over again I definitely would.
However I or anyone else feels about voting for actual candidates for office those who are not from one of the two major parties have a statistically zero chance of being elected unless there is major change in our electoral process (ie elimination of the Electoral College or tanked choice voting).
For those who say those two things will almost certainly not happen? Well then neither will a 3rd Party be a serious contender in the near future.
The person I voted for in 2016 was an actual candidate for President with an actual campaign
My apologies to Evan McMullen. To date the GOP challenger to Trump who has been most successful. As sad as that is.
I am thinking that the surprisingly fired Dolphins coach Brian Flores winds up in either New York or Chicago.
The BIGGEST problem is their offence line….
Gettleman tried to bring in help but he failed….
Jones and Barkley are no good if there is no blocking for them….
That?
And instead of having coaches doing push up’s?
The Jersey Giants need someone to bring a ‘winning’ spirit to the team…
my father calls me up like something is all important:
1. What is a filibuster? (I tried my best to explain it)
2. Why don’t Democrats think you should have to show an ID to vote.
Good man….
New York City Mayor Eric Adams (whom we are told “hangs with Republicans”) appeared with Jake Tapper on CNN Sunday and expressed his strong support for the bill he signed allowing non citizens to vote in New York City.
Tapper asked him what he would say to all the naturalized Americans who had worked so hard to become citizens in order to get the right to vote and Adams basically smiled and had no answer. He told them to keep at it. It was a pretty embarrassing showing for Adams.
The narrative of “Democrats are letting non-citizens vote” will be everywhere in 2022 and beyond and of course is happens to be technically true.
I am sticking by my view that the most electable Democrat would be Oprah.
“You get a Covid Test Kit! And you get a Covid Test Kit! And you…”
This IS a screw up…..
It’s been done in other places but NOT anywhere that would have national media studio’s I believe….
Republicans ARE gonna hang this on the backs of Democrats around the country in swing districts….
It’s insular and just plain stupid…..
Yes CG….
Your on to something in this….
80 year old Republican Tommy Thompson says he is considering a comeback bid for Governor of Wisconsin.
He says he is “mentally and physically able to do anything.” Anything?
Pretty shameful display by Biden here:
“Do you want to be on the side of Dr. King or George Wallace? The side of John Lewis or Bull Connor? The side of Abraham Lincoln or Jefferson Davis?”:
what a far cry from his campaign ads when they said wouldn’t demand Americans always agree with him.
Senator Romney accurately points out how Biden is now parroting Trump and dismissing elections:
https://twitter.com/SenatorRomney/status/1481037255120719873
Third party news from Illinois-
Democrat Jesse White is retiring after six terms as Secretary of State. He has been the top vote getter in the state for a long time. Now, the Libertarian Party has found a guy to nominate named… Jesse White. Total coincidence they say.
That is just another wrinkle into some other circumstances that could cause this to be a competitive race between the eventual Democrat and eventual Republican.
Earlier today, I attempted to discuss how the crook Rod Blagojevich won reelection in 2006. He won by a 50-39 margin, while Green Party candidate Rich Whitney took 10 percent, most at Blago’s expense of course.
However, his name appeared on the ballot throughout Chicago as “Rich Whitey.” Totally innocent mistake there obviously.
Jesse White 2.0 is going to get at least 8 percent of the statewide vote just based on the name alone, maybe more. Do “normal people” even look at the party designation on the ballot? It’s not like he is being put on there to split the Jesse White vote (a long time trick Democrats have used in primaries in Illinois against other candidates), but he will be the only Jesse White on the ballot.
Democrats ate going to have to try to do anything they can to somehow find a way to throw this guy off the ballot. But if it’s his real name….
Reminds me of Mark Warner (D) vs Mark Warner (R)
John Warner (R)
Whew!….
New Open thread is in order…..