That COULD add up to million more votes in ‘Big Apple’ Elections…
We’ll have to see how this goes….
Republicans are sure to challenge this …..
It is NOT the first place, or time , to do this in America…
It could involve the most people though….
New York’s 51-member council is widely expected to approve the measure, and it would immediately grant noncitizens significant leverage over a broad array of elective offices, including the mayor, city council, comptroller, the public advocate and the leaders of the city’s five boroughs who oversee issues such as zoning.
Approximately 1 million adult noncitizens live in New York City, which amounts to 20 percent of current registered voters, though it remains unclear how many would be eligible to vote, according to census figures, academic estimates and the bill’s sponsor. To register, noncitizens must have lived here for 30 days, the same requirement for citizens, and have at least a work permit….
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Fourteen smaller jurisdictions in the United States allow noncitizens to vote, mostly in Maryland, including Hyattsville and Takoma Park, but also in Vermont and for the school board in San Francisco. Cities such as Los Angeles, Washington and Portland, Maine, have floated the idea, said Ron Hayduk, political science professor at San Francisco State University and the author of “Democracy for All: Restoring Immigrant Voting in the U.S.”…
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Republicans call the idea “radical” and vowed to fight it in court in New York and “all 50 states,” said Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel in a recent statement. The RNC filed a lawsuit to block a new measure that allows noncitizens to vote in a pair of Vermont cities.
Joseph Borelli, one of a handful of Republicans on the New York City Council, said only U.S. citizens should vote for officials deciding sensitive matters such as taxes, the debt liability and zoning….
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Advocates say noncitizens should weigh in on city elections because they pay taxes, send their children to public schools and work here, especially during the coronavirus pandemic when so many fled the city.
Immigrants account for nearly 37 percent of the 8 million residents in New York City, census figures show, and city officials say almost 60 percent are naturalized citizens. The rest are green-card holders, temporary workers or students and undocumented immigrants.
Republicans say the state constitution says only citizens can vote, but historians say New York’s move is probably legal because noncitizens have voted, off and on, in the city and the country for more than 200 years, starting in the 1700s and picking up steam after the Civil War, when the majority of the city’s adult residents were from European nations such as Ireland, Germany and Italy….
CG says
Do Democrats think this is appropriate or not?
If so, do you believe non-citizens should be able to vote in other elections as well?
Scott P says
I agree with Zreebs. It’s not appropriate.
Let’s also recognize that another resident of the uber conservative Villages retirement community in Florida has been found to vote twice.
Of course Republicans want you to focus on big bad cities being the center of election chicanery. But that doesn’t tell the whole story.
My Name Is Jack says
I do not support allowing non citizens to vote.
Zreebs says
It is very inappropriate.
CG says
Eligible citizens should vote once, per election, on the appropriate ballot that corresponds to all jurisdictions containing their primary residence.
CG says
Thanks to those who have weighed in. I think we all can realize that this issue will be a national Republican talking point in the next election and all sorts of Democrat candidates for all sorts of offices will be asked to give their view as well.
jamesb says
Indeed…….
I u derstand the rational
But?
This is another example of the Democratic left doing what it want and in so doing fucking the party elsewate….
I have made this point countless times here
And polling suggests that ‘swing’ voters, indies and even minority votes will NOT support some of this stuff
In a way?
Manchi…. and Sinema are actually doing the party a A jury convicted Jussie Smollett on multiple charges that he orchestrated a fake attack on himself and lied to police about it in 2019. by saying no to some of the stuff some Democrats
Some here break my balls for coming at things this way
Zreebs says
All of the Democratic presidential candidates will be against it.
CG says
In 2024, if the nomination is open… I extremely doubt that.
But let’s start with the one announced candidate thus far Joe Biden and see if he weighs in on this at all. I assume Steve Doocy will pose the question to Jen Psaki.
Zreebs says
Until now, I don’t recall anyone ever advocating that position. No candidate with a chance of winning the nomination would support it, although conservatives will claim they do.
CG says
Eric Adams has said he strongly is in favor of this in New York City.
jamesb says
Adams comments…..
Mayor de Blasio is expected to sign the bill in the coming days.
Legal challenges are expected, and de Blasio has himself raised concern about the legality of the bill, saying he would’ve preferred that the state Legislature pass a constitutional amendment instead.
Mayor-elect Eric Adams, who takes office Jan. 1, echoed de Blasio’s sentiment while speaking to reporters in Brooklyn on Thursday, and also sided with Gjonaj’s concern about the 30-day requirement.
“When it comes down to city-wide control — the mayor, public advocate — and when it comes down to someone being here for 30 days, that is something that I think we need to look at and then we need to find out if it’s constitutionally sound based on the state level,” Adams said….
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(DeBlasio is gone the end of the month…Adams gives the reporter an escape clause…This will be decided by a court…)
bdog says
James this is exactly the shit I was speaking about the other day when you said there is no way a GOPer will be governor of New York next cycle…shit like this is a gift to the Republicans state wide…you think a Long Islander will be happy to hear this law…fear will be used to whip votes for the GOP…Fucking dumbass Democrats…just giving Republicans in New York and elsewhere a fucking Christmas gift…
jamesb says
He, he, he….
You DO sound pissed Bdog….
Holchul or whoever is NOT gonna embrace the NYC BS….
Remember…
This isn’t the only place for the grab…
And I don’t think one person that went thru the process of getting citizenship will like it…
AND….
WTF would sign up for this with the chance that a change in the WH could have the Feds going for the list’s again…
This?
In my mind is just straight up pandering to the Lefties…
And it IS STUPID….
jamesb says
Update…
More than 800,000 noncitizens and “Dreamers” in New York City will have access to the ballot box — and could vote in municipal elections as early as next year — after Mayor Eric Adams allowed legislation to automatically become law Sunday.
Opponents have vowed to challenge the new law, which the City Council approved a month ago. Unless a judge halts its implementation, New York City is the first major U.S. city to grant widespread municipal voting rights to noncitizens.
More than a dozen communities across the U.S. already allow noncitizens to cast ballots in local elections, including 11 towns in Maryland and two in Vermont.
Noncitizens still wouldn’t be able to vote for president or members of Congress in federal races, or in the state elections that pick the governor, judges and legislators….
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