Harry Enten, over at CNN does a piece on connection between the Capitol protest/violent actions, the 2020 Trump loss and Republicans …..
The events of January 6 and its aftermath can be difficult to fathom. A number of Republicans don’t seem to comprehend them at all. They have fallen back on the lies that the riots we all saw on television and online that day were not an insurrection by supporters of Donald Trump.
Dangerously, the base’s reaction to January 6 are part of a larger worldview about the 2020 election and its aftermath, all steeped in mistruths in an effort to protect Trump’s legacy.
A Reuters/Ipsos poll from late March found that an astounding 55% of Republicans agreed that the January 6 riots were led by left-wing protesters trying to make the former President look bad. Just 30% of Republicans disagreed with this statement.
What arguably makes this stat even worse is that people don’t believe or are choosing to ignore their own eyes. There is video literally showing rioters pumping up Trump and denouncing now President Joe Biden and Democrats….
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Perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised that many Republicans are able to believe two things that seem to be in paradox with each other.
Republicans have believed unbelievable things about the election and its aftermath for more than half a year now.
The 51% and 55% are part of a larger package of lies propagated since the election. The majority who have false thoughts about January 6 is similar to the percentage of Republicans who believe, falsely, that President Joe Biden didn’t legitimately earn enough votes to beat Trump in the election.
These statistics being so similar makes a lot of sense. When you believe something ridiculous, it’s not the toughest jump to believe something else ridiculous on the same topic.
Moreover, if you are wrongly of the belief that the election was somehow stolen, you might too be OK with a riot to protest those results.
We shouldn’t lose sight of how crazily high these stats are. They’re not normal, even in our deeply partisan age….
Oh can the “alternative universe “ garbage.
This s REALITY Homer.
The Republican Party ,which you spend so much time trying to convince yourself (cause no one here buys your foolishness) is letting go of Trump ,is almost totally Trumpized.
Trumpism is now the guiding principle in that party.
“Conservatism” as such has been totally coopted by Trump and his minions.I used to call it “bunk,” now ?Just a meaningless term that is thrown around every once in awhile with no concern whatsoever for its former philosophical underpinnings.
At least 75% or so,maybe more, of those who call themselves Republicans actively support lies cheating and thievery.Their moral compass is in their self created gutter where a blind rage and hatred grips their fevered imagination and self justifies any manner of conduct including mob violence to “get them libruls.”
Get your damn head out of the proverbial sand James and at long last recognize the reality of what the Republican Party has become.
35 House GOPer’s voted FOR the Commission Jack….
THIRTY FIVE
Oh so you don’t agree with Enten ?
Why your headline?
“Republicans join Donald Trump in alternate universe.”
See Homer,you make no sense.On one hand you declare that Republicans are nuts like Trump,then when hassled about your past silliness, you jump back to the “Trump is losing support” routine.
So a small number of Republicans voted for this Commission?What does that prove ?Almost all of them still profess loyalty to Trump.Anyway you conceded that the Commision isn’t going to happen and you were “ wrong”( like you are about most things) .
You just thrash around,all over the place, no consistency.One minute the Republicans are in an alternate universe .A few minutes later,they’re leaving Trump behind,etc.
Another day…The same foolishness!
Incredibly, James started his “Trump is losing support” routine back in the 2016 primary when he repeatedly argued that Trump wouldn’t and couldn’t win the nomination. And the routine has gotten old.
Maybe old ….but Jack started with Trump percents on the 90’s
And solid Trump Congressional support
That WAS then…..
On the hold?
It IS pretty much Trump’s to screw over
No doubt
But i continue to point to the civil war, tug of war and bleeding of support…
I’ve worked for 8 Presidents ,5 of them Republican.I don’t think any of them would recognize the Republican Party today I think in terms of values and principles that the Republican Party stood for under those five presidents are hard to find these days.
Robert Gates
Former Secretary of Defense
Dear Bob:
You need to visit the well known political site Political Dog where the moderator seriously argues that Trumps influence on the Republican Party is on the decline and any day now Republicans will be denouncing this impostor and returning to those halcyon days of yesteryear.
Sincerely.
Jack
The GOP of 2021 still largely holds the borrow and spend principles that it held under Reagan and GWB.
But they leave out the tax and tax part.
Z?
A Republican admin next time would imulate rhe Trump first one……
They ARE one way….
Dear Jack
Robert confirms MY view from up close…
Which “view” is that?
The one from an hour ago?
The one from ten days ago?
How about the one from 20 seconds ago?
You have no “view.”Just a bunch of miscellaneous rambling stream of consciousness gobbledygook that means nothng because shortly it will be replaced by another gaggle of silliness that totally contradicts everything else.
Has Gates seen the Trump Administration from “up close”? I could be wrong, but I don’t believe he ever served in Trump’s cabinet.
No he never served in the Trump Adminstration.
Just more of James’s uh “view” ,at least at the time he wrote that.
Who knows what i his “view” is now?Around 45 minutes later.
My view as is ur view is here for all to see and judge themselves
View?? I thought this was all in the rear window?
Jack is completely right.
Rear window that keeps trying to get the driver to go down a deep hole…
Yup!
Gates met face to face with Trump when he was putting his admin together….
He HAD to have worked with the transtion people and the early on staff….
To think that was completely out of the loop on
Defense and State issues is naive…
His view stands strong for him…
Robert Gates, according to Wikipedia, joined the CIA in the mid-60’s [LBJ[, serving both in the CIA and the National Security Council under LBJ, Nixon , Ford and Carter.
He then served in presidentially appointed posts under Reagan, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, G.W. Bush and Obama.
See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gates
Again?
Gates advised the Trump startup
There IS photo proof of this
Again?
Anyone that thinks Gates isn’t tuned in is naive
I’d bet if ypu looked u’d find Gates pieces on the Trump admin actions…..
Maybe even a book or two?
This IS comical….
He, he, he…..
Anyone want tell me HOW MANY Gates Google stuff is on The Trump admin????😄
Nonsensical.
What is your point?
You just make yourself look ridiculous with these unintelligible rantings of yours.
Who exactly are you arguing with here?
Gates……
Just making a point….
U know
Like U?
James,
that will be an impressive achievement if you are able to get Robert Gates blogging here. Hopefully he takes Jack’s advice and joins us.
Damn Real❗️
George Will on one of the Sunday morning news panels today said that he’d never before seen or read of an American political party that is terrified of its own base.
That show was This Week with George Stephanopoulos on ABC:
May 23, 2021
9:23:14 a.m. Eastern
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: And I want to welcome back two of our veteran roundtablers George Will, and Donna Brazile. Welcome back to both of you. And George, let me began with you. We just heard Speaker Pelosi and Leader McConnell right there, we heard Susan Collins say she’s still optimistic for something going forward on this January 6 commission. It’s kind of hard to believe it’s even controversial.
GEORGE WILL: Well, it’s controversial for one reason. We have something new in American history. That is a political party defined by the terror it feels for its own voters. That’s the Republican Party right now. Every elected official is frightened of his voters, therefore doesn’t respect his voters and doesn’t like his voters and is afraid that a vote for this will be seen as an insult to the 45th president.
There’s no reason — I mean, McConnell has a point. There are going to lots of investigations. Journalists are going to go through this. There are 450-some criminal charges now being brought with a hundred more probably to come, so there are lots of information about this.
I would like to see January 6 is burned into the American mind as firmly as 9/11 because it was that scale of shock to the system. And I think there will be a commission, but it is controversial for that reason.
https://www.cybernistas.com/2021/05/23/george-will-returns-to-this-week-jan-6-a-9-11-like-shock-to-the-system/
He deserves props for admitting the truth out loud….
Will’s comments are actually on point…
BUT?
A Commission would have a different goal
A OVERVIEW which IS NEEDED….
Trump and Republicans should piss scared
They have member’s who where accomplices
To the crimes……..
A overlook will have the ability to uncover them
DOJ is probably politically shy to deal with this angle…
No,it would be “political.”
It has to be.
Mitt Romney put it best ,”Clearly the people who attacked the Capitol were arguing for President Trump and therefore REPUBLICAN (emphasis added).That leaves the potential to have very significant political overtones in an election year.”
So?..
“On January 6 2021, the Capitol of the United States was attacked by a group of REPUBLICAN hoodlums and criminals,supporters of defeated REPUBLICAN President Donald Trump.They proceeded to ransack offices,invaded the chamber of both Houses while the Congress members were cowering in fear of these out of control REPUBLICAN criminals…..”,anyway you get what would be the narrative of that Commission and you can well understand why most Republicans are going to oppose its formation.
Oh i agree it has to be proceived as political…
But the ‘deal’ worked out by members of BOTH parties in the House had BOTH parties making the people sitting on the panel…
Ur point is well taken
The assholes doing the violence where Reobkican based…..
But?
The vote from the lawmakers in the House came from both parties in defiance against Trump and his minions…
Again….
An Overview IS NEEDED….
The lawmakers know it……
How many GOP Senator’s will have the balls 35 of their party had in theHouse????