The ex-House Republican Party leader looks forward and see’s a party leaving Donald Trump behind ….
Other Republicans may think the same thing…
But few will go public with their thoughts….
Since the chaotic end of Donald Trump’s presidency, the debate about the future of the Republican Party frequently comes down to a simple marker: Do you support Trump and his America First agenda, or not?
Former U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan thinks his divided party – and history – will move on.
The either-or debate over fealty to Trump “is going to fade,” the 2012 Republican vice presidential candidate said in an interview with The Associated Press. “I think circumstances, ideas and new candidates are going to … overshadow that whole conversation.”
The reckoning over what it means to be a Republican and how the party can rebuild is the inevitable result of 2020 loses that left the White House and Congress in Democratic control.
Assessing the way forward is “a normal growing pain for a party coming off of a presidential loss,” Ryan said. “I think it’s wrong to suggest that this party is bifurcated around one person.”…
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Yeah Paul things are great!
Mitt Romney is roundly booed ,labelled a traitor and a Communist ,and then barely survives a censure motion by the Utah Republican Party.
People like Ryan, James and others are like the guy with the pet monkey who brags about how smart the monkey is.Puts him in front of a keyboard and the monkey pounds away day after day typing unintelligible gibberish .After many months, one day he types the rudiments of a word and the man proclaims,”See I was right! He’s smart.”
Sure Trump will fade away one day and James can proclaim “See I was right!”But presently?Trump is in firm control of the grassroots of the Republican Party and no amount of silly minutiae(James’s forte) or mouthing about “growing pains” (Ryan) will change that reality.
Efforts to censure Romney failed Jack….
The others are ALL STILL working Jack..
Trump gets some ego help in Texas, i suspect he might be a bit worried about Rudy…
Of course Ryan IS correct…
The 2024 sweepstakes ticket buyers grows by week….
Lets see,
A former presidential candidate barely survives a censure vote by his own state party and it’s no big deal.Sure it’s not James.Romney is probably all smiles over it.He scored a great “victory!
What does anyone “still working” have to do with anything?And who are “others.”
As for the 2024 candidates?All depends on what Trump does.Mitt Romney himself has said that if Trump wants the nomination he will get it Then again,Romney might not have your “sources.”
For instance ,he doesn’t know about Thomas Williams,”human being?”
True That on what the Big Guy ‘does’….
I still think he’s gonna a mere shadow of what he was in 2016 as the others steal his thunder and leave him beat down legally and politically …
If Romney doesn’t know about Thomas Williams, does this mean that Pdog bloggers are more knowledgeable about politics than Mitt Romney or is it more complicated than that?
We know more!
So it is simple!
Our moderator reminds one of the George Orwell novel” 1984.”
Words often mean the opposite of their ordinary meaning;thus, “ simple” to you means “complex” to him.
Calling say Ted Cruz a “conservative as he would be to most of us ,our moderator may elici from him that “people can be more than one thing.”
Or
Just plain silliness prevails ;thus acknowledging the fairly obvious point “rarely is anything unanimous ?”
Means that you have acknowledged something is “complex” even though to most of us the meaning is relatively “simple.”
“1984” was a fantasy of course;however here?
Such “1984” type talk is referred to as “keeping it real” which,come to think of it ,and using that his words often mean the opposite of their ordinary meaning ,indicates that when using those words he actually mean “this is fantasy.
A very strange place sometimes.
No matter how hard U fight this Jack?
The FACT IS there IS an uneasiness among some of the Republican ‘party’ members as they look to the future….
Republicans wrestling over the future of the party are debating whether to embrace the culture wars that helped former President Trump cement his popularity with the GOP base.
The internal rift, which involves congressional leaders and potential 2024 presidential contenders, comes as Republicans have struggled to dent President Biden’s popularity and as they plot their strategy to win back the House and Senate in the 2022 midterms.
While some in the GOP are eager to double down on Trump’s brand of populism, others argue the party needs to return to its roots….
More….
Why mis-state what Jack believes? After all of these exchanges, you can’t possibly believe that Jack thinks that ALL Republicans are in Trump’s camp. Or maybe you just don’t understand his posts? And It is not complex, not even a little.
You ARE Right….
Jack just thinks Donald J. Trump ‘owns’ the party….
Would THAT mean ALL of them?
You see anytime I point to those NOT ?
He gets defensive ….
Says I’m picking pieces that are supporting my view …
(Which I AM of course, because they ARE there!)
My point IS that Trump does NOT ‘own’ the party….
He DOES have a STRONG support from parties voters…
But lawmakers, and even some officials around the country?
(The list of those getting ready to run FOR President in 2024 grows and GROWS)
ARE embracing some of Biden’s politics…
Some lawmakers , more and more each day ARE trying to separate the party FROM TRUMP HIMSELF….
Local and state Republican officials ARE saying one thing against Biden out of one side of their mouth , but embracing some of Biden’s going ‘BIG”….
Jack just points to Trump….
But it’s just NOT THAT….
Romney , Cheney, Murkowski are ALL still there….
Ryan and Collins are putting space between Trump and the party also….
Z?
Jack just seems NOT to be able get his head on these moves AWAY from Trump even if have given extensive reports on the action…
Me?
I’m just having fun …
Sometimes I’m wrong…
But I do NOT believe I am on this….
I just saw a clip of Romney speaking to the Utah GOP Convention and he got booed loudly. I suspect he would have received a slightly better reception if he was speaking to Democrats – and I am not joking.
You’re Right Z…..
No doubt…..
It’s what the Republican Party has become,thoroughly Trumpized.
Except for those who aren’t , eh Jack?
Rarely is anything unanimous James.
Once again
“Minutiae”
It’s all you’ve got.
Oh Snap!
Did my man Jack just admit that things ARE COMPLEX!!!!!
Mark this down❗️😄
Silly
It actually surprised me that so many Utah Republicans would boo Romney. I always felt that most Mormons might be clueless, But that they were NOT two-faced.
But Trump remains strong in Mormon country, and some Mormons obviously support him more than their religious teachings.
Ould have been 10 people out of a
hundred?
Who knows….
As of today May 2 2021? Paul Ryan is wrong. Trump is not fading among Republicans.
Will his influence in the GOP wane in the next 6, 22, 18 months
Maybe. But right now no signs point to that. All wishful thinking by Paul Ryan and anti Trump Republicans on this blog aside.
Ryan admits going forward…
Even someone so honorable and principled as Sen. John Barrasso, M.D. (R-Wyoming), who just collaborated on a pr0-vaccination video with other medically-qualified GOP members of Congress, was weaving and dodging about Donald Trump and the Republican Party this morning.
Susan Collins (R-Maine), who voted aye on Trump’s second impeachment, was a little more forthcoming.
But nearly all of the Republicans will follow my basic Marxist class analysis by praising the 2017-21 Republican years for the taxes they lowered, the regulations they removed and the Federal judges they appointed.
$Money$ is thicker than blood.
Yes DSD….
You DID hit a homer…..
Sen. Barrasso with Martha Raddatz on ABC this morning:
RADDATZ: Well, we’ll see if that happens. Within your party, former President Trump continues his attacks on leaders you worked closely with, including Mitch McConnell, including Liz Cheney there in Wyoming. How damning — damaging is that, what the president is doing to your party?
BARRASSO: Well, President Trump has a remarkable record of accomplishments in his administration. Working together, President Trump along with leader McConnell in the Senate, we were able to confirm three justices to the Supreme Court, conservative justices. We were able to rebuild the economy, cut taxes, eliminate regulations, rebuild the military. It was the strongest economy really in a generation.
(CROSSTALK)
RADDATZ: But let’s go back to McConnell and Liz Cheney. Some people are trying to get Liz Cheney out.
BARRASSO: But we need to get beyond all of this and focus on the 2022 elections so that we can win back the House, win back the Senate, get united on the things on which we agree, and then successfully stop the far extreme efforts of this Biden administration, and those that are taking the country towards socialism.
RADDATZ: OK, that question not exactly answered. But we appreciate you coming on this morning, Senator.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-21-jake-sullivan-sen-john-barrasso/story?id=77442272
Asian American Republicans accuse [Mass.] state GOP of pursuing discriminatory scheme to disenfranchise them in party elections
By Emma Platoff, Boston Globe Staff,
Updated April 30, 2021, 1:36 p.m.
More than two dozen Asian American Republicans are alleging discrimination by the state party, claiming GOP Chairman Jim Lyons is trying to keep them out of the political process in elections for two seats on the Republican State Committee.
Lyons, the Asian American voters and other Republicans claim, is selectively enforcing procedural rules and targeting voters of color in an effort to consolidate his own power on the little-watched panel, which sets party bylaws and runs its conventions.
“This is a callous and underhanded scheme to discriminate against Republicans who worked tirelessly to file and deliver the proper paperwork,” the group of Asian American voters wrote in a letter last week to the Republican State Committee. “We ask that you respect our right to vote and treat us as you would any other citizen. . . . More than ever, the GOP must build bridges with new voters and stop dividing our communities.”
The Asian Americans voters say Lyons is disenfranchising them by disbanding ward committees needed to elect state committee representatives in the South Boston and Dorchester district, where two seats are currently open.
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Lyons rejects the allegations and says he is merely adhering to procedure.
At stake is not just the two open seats on the 80-member panel, but also the very identity of the Massachusetts GOP, which like its national counterpart is struggling to define itself in the wake of Donald Trump’s presidency — and to boost its vote share in a state where Democrats remain dominant. Lyons, a vocal Trump supporter, represents one vision for the state GOP; Governor Charlie Baker, a moderate who has often been at loggerheads with Lyons, represents another.
Amid this struggle, the party faces existential questions about whether it can broaden its appeal to communities of color.
Critics say Lyons, who in January was reelected to the chairman post with a slim majority, is trying to manipulate the process in an attempt to ensure that those elected to the state committee share his approach over the governor’s. In addition, they claim his actions have excluded Asian American voters from the party at a time when Republicans should be diversifying their ranks….
Filling the seats in a special election involves forming ward committees in a complicated process that involves a number of procedural steps. Timothy Smyth Jr. and Jeanna Tamas, who are running as a slate for the two open First Suffolk seats, said Lyons and the party recruited them to run earlier this year and they carefully followed his instructions for forming the ward committees in the runup to the election. They are the only declared candidates for the seats, they said.
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It was only when Lyons realized Smyth and Tamas would not back him over the governor that Lyons began to question their conservative bona fides and to claim that the preelection procedures had not been followed, they said Friday. Lyons made clear to them that if elected, they would be asked to vote to remove Baker from the state party’s executive committee, a step they refused to support, they said.
Now, they allege Lyons is leaning on procedure and technicalities to delay the voting for state committee members — no date has yet been set — and recruit candidates who will “do his bidding,” Tamas said.
Lyons “insinuated there was no way all of the new Vietnamese members could possibly be all Republican,” Tamas said in a letter to state committee members.
“Chairman Lyons knows and understands there is a language and technology barrier in this Dorchester community, and I believe he is using it to push his own personal agenda,” Tamas wrote.
As she and Smyth work to challenge the stereotype of the Republican Party as a home only for older white voters, and to recruit support within the diverse communities of the South Boston and Dorchester district, Lyons is only undermining them, she said.
Both said they hope to see the Asian American Republicans participate fully in the process.
Asked whether he supported Smyth and Tamas in the race, Lyons said “that’s not what I’m getting involved in right now.” Lyons also said it is “absolutely untrue” that he asked the two candidates to vote with him to remove Baker from the executive committee.
Lyons said he supports making Baker, along with other elected officials on the executive committee, non-voting, ex officio members, but insisted he would never tell someone how to vote….
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/04/30/metro/asian-american-republicans-accuse-state-gop-pursuing-discriminatory-scheme-disenfranchise-them-party-elections/
None of what you said is true and everyone here knows it.
What I’ve said and I will repeat for the umpteenth time.
Donald Trump today totally dominates the Republican Party to such an extent that ,except for a very few and mostly at the politician level,everyone fears to cross him.My God most of them refuse to concede he even lost the election.
Humorously ,many of the people you mention as opposing him admit that Trump is dominant.Mitt Romney even said if Trump wants the nomination in 2024 he can have it.You don’t call that “dominance?”
Now at the grassroots level,his dominance is even more pronounced.Indeed 70% of Republicans still believe he won the election.In many states pro Trumpers have ousted longtime Republican officials.
You ignore all of this
Last week it went so bonkers you were quoting some guy named Thomas Williams as “proof” of your continuing obsession that Trump is “going away.”
I’ve said over and over that Trump may if fact fade at some point,but he isn’t right now.
I have been to no political site where the “Trump is fading away” narrative exists but here.Sure there are various articles like this one about internal discussions,among politicos about the future.Nothing unusual about that.Nowhere though does anyone doubt or claim that Trump is not today the elephant in the room so to speak and the Republican universe presently revolves around him.
So please quit your purposeful LYING about me and what I think.
Headline from Washington Post…
“Fealty To Trump Becomes Defining GOP Litmus Test.”
What do they know?
We have James and Thomas Williams!
James, why don’t you invite Thomas Williams to blog here? I suspect he would be flattered to know how controversial his post was here! Maybe we can learn more about him than you describing him as a human being? But if you do invite him, maybe don’t deliberately try to irritate him like you have done to other posters until they stopped coming?