The Florida US Senator goes from worrying about Trump’s daughter running against him to getting Donald’s pat on the back….
He’s probably in to keep his day job….
Democrats have not done well in the state recently….
Could he also be thinking about a White House run?
Former President Trump on Friday endorsed Sen. Marco Rubio’s (R-Fla.) reelection bid in Florida, throwing his support behind the incumbent senator and former GOP Primary foe in his adopted home state.
“It is my honor to give U.S. Senator Marco Rubio my Complete and Total Endorsement,” Trump said in a statement. “Marco has been a tireless advocate for the people of Florida, fighting to cut taxes, supporting our Second Amendment, our Military and our Vets, a strong national defense, and all of the forgotten men and women of America.”
In endorsing Rubio, Trump has put his political weight behind his former rival-turned-ally. Rubio competed with Trump in 2016 for the GOP’s presidential nomination, though he won only three primary contests in Minnesota, D.C., and Puerto Rico. He suspended his campaign after finishing behind Trump in Florida….
image….miamihearld.com
My Name Is Jack says
Two other Florida Trumpites
DeSantis and Rick Scott are definitely looking to run.
Marco was quite unimpressive asa candidate last time out.
Democratic Socialist Dave says
“Little Marco” no more?
jamesb says
Nope……
The ‘boss’ likes him now?
My Name Is Jack says
I’m still waiting for Trump to start “ fading away.”
Scott P says
I pay Trump no mind but that’s the luxury of not being a Republican.
Even though I’m thrilled he’s no longer President nor on Twitter, but I’m still disappointed he hasn’t completely given up on politics. But them again why would he? He thrives on adulation and the GOP still gives him plenty of that.
jamesb says
And Scott?
I agree…..
The Big Guy IS a has been……
I have done several posts here repeating the word that Republican support HAS dropped in the aftermath of the Trump escapade’s….
Zreebs says
I’m waiting for the GOP Civil War.
My Name Is Jack says
I bet you didn’t know you were in the midst of a Democratic Party Civil War.
In certain mind(s) anytime Bernie Sanders makes a statement or AOC sends out twitter post,the “war “ is raging!
Zreebs says
I forgot about that war James has told us about.
It seems peaceful here, but James may have other information.
Democratic Socialist Dave says
Haven’t you heard AOC and the Squad screaming to tear Joe Manchin limb from limb before casting him cold and naked into the Outer Darkness beyond the Democratic caucus, and Sen. Manchin (fully armed) responding in kind ?
Or the deathly struggle between Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Angus King, Kirsten Gillibrand and Kyrsten Sinema ?
Let alone the poisonous inflammatory polemics between the Progressive Policy Institute and the Center for American Progress.
A Democratic civil war, as JBF and CG tell us, like none other since the 1860’s or the 1960’s.
jamesb says
The Democratic ‘war’ like the Republican ‘war’ has subsided I agree….
It has NOT disappeared …..
For Republicans?
They LOST the House and Senate and the Crown Jewels of the Presidency….
They have nowhere to go but to follow Trump and lay low complaining about Biden’s efforts to undo all the shit Trump and they left behind….
They are NOT all united behind Trump….
Murkowski, Cheney even Rubio and Romney are fine…..
With Trump essential;y out of the media circulation daily thing seem tame….
For the Democrats?
Wait….
The media is selling Biden as the new and improved version…..
Bull Shit….
The Joe Biden I and most voted for is still there….
Not for the filibuster….
Not for marijuana…
Not for overwhelming gun control….
Still talking about ‘unity’….
The guy IS the Real Deal ….
And it will come back at him from the left….
Wait and see….
AOC IS mumbling …..Omar IS mumbling….
Warren isn’t gonna get large taxing the rich….
Sanders already got the $15 a hour shut down….
But Democrats WILL leave things alone for the time being….
Why NOT?
They have their slim majority….
They lead the committee’s….
At least they get heard and get a piece of the pie…..
Again?
Wait….
My Name Is Jack says
Taking normal political discourse and turning it incongruously into a “Civil War” shows a total lack of knowledge of said discourse and an a passing acquaintance with the absurd.
A “civil war,” if such can even be said to exist in the normal rough and tumble of parry politics ,would be highlighted by bitter personal attacks, calls for resignations , hints of illegal ,criminal type actions, sides being chosen, slander and mayhem abounding .Nothing like that is occurring.Indeed ,this whole jargon,”civil war” is essentially a media creation as an anchor for discussion on their nightly talkfests.
It is therefore unsurprising that the moderator of this site ,whose daily forte is publishing various media articles and claiming for them “absolute truth” status , should buy into such language.
It is also unsurprising that those of us a little more discerning in our conception of such matters would poke funny at such a mindless assertion.
jamesb says
And that U and the other guy would NOT deal with anything except the moderator who smiles at this and keeps rolling along…….
jamesb says
I’m STILL waiting for the Defense Budget cuts list…..
Zreebs says
James, Why don’t you take a break from the blog this week? Jack and I can run the place while you are gone. We will agree not to permanently ban anyone without your permission.
My Name Is Jack says
Haha!
Yes I “promise!”
jamesb says
Z?
Why don’t YOU take a break from the blog and resent yourself it things here bother you?
I’m sure u could find a place to be….
jamesb says
Seriously Z?
If it’s bothersome?
Why don’t YOU ?
Otherwise?
Deal with things here….
I’m NOT going anywhere….
My Name Is Jack says
Zreebs,like me ,and indeed probably every ,other poster here(except Bdog as the two of you appear to be personal acquaintances ) Finds this little village of ours not only a source of occasional information and interesting discussion ,but also with elements of the “ theater of the absurd.”
With you in the role of the
“Village Idiot.”
jamesb says
BTW?
Senate Budget Committee Chairman Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) expressed “serious concern” Friday over President Biden’s proposed $12.3 billion increase in defense spending.
“At a time when the U.S. already spends more on the military than the next 12 nations combined, it is time for us to take a serious look at the massive cost over-runs, the waste and fraud that currently exists at the Pentagon,” Sanders said.
Sanders’s words carry extra weight given his position at the head of the Budget Committee and as a progressive leader in the Democratic Party.
He joins a slew of progressives in speaking out against the proposed 1.7 percent boost in defense spending….
More…
(No ‘war’….Just mumbling, eh?)
Zreebs says
Trump dramatically increased defense spending during his term, and Biden did run as a Democrat and not as a borrow and spend Republican. It is shameful that he is looking for an increase in defense spending after all of the large increases in the recent past coupled with revenue cuts.
jamesb says
What cuts would u make Z?
Jack ducks the question…..
Zreebs says
why don’t we start with 10% across the Board cuts with giving the Dept of Defense Chair the authority to make adjustments provided that the DOD cuts in the aggregate were 10%.
You realize what a stupid question this is in the first place. No one person in the country would be qualified to answer such a question, and the way politics works is that advisers and others would handle the details and make necessary adjustments anyway.
What are you trying to prove with this nonsense? Do you think that asking stupid ass questions gives you the opportunity to sound intelligent.
My Name Is Jack says
Yes “stupid” is the word.
Also”pathetic.”
Shows a really juvenile mind
“I’ll show them!Gee look at me !Im really clever!”
jamesb says
First of all ?
Thanks for answering Z….
A 10% cut ‘across the board’ would entail a 10% cut in troop’s and civilians…
Such a move would be politically impossible…
A 10% cut across the board would also mean the government would have to deal with contractors stopping some program in whole due to no payment or cancelations….
A 10% cut across the board means the slowdown in services….
Some programs cannot be legally or practically cut….
My question is NOT ridiculous….
It IS a real world question….
FYI?
Obama DID make a good sized cut in the Defense Budget because the Republicans used that politically…(look it up if u want)
Sequester….
But Z?
The Republicans and Trump put most if not all of the cut money BACK….
Details ARE what gets done Z….
U know that because U are one of the people who do the fine print…
My Name Is Jack says
Amusingly, ,you have at various times,Claimed to support cutting the defense budget!
Which of course makes all this blabbering as to the impossibility of any cuts even more ridiculous.
Then again,not really surprising.
Your contradictions and hypocrisy here are well known.
For whatever reason ,you simply refuse to admit what is plainly evident to any ,but a damn fool….
You are supportive of huge military budgets and endless foreign wars with the thoroughly thoughtful position of, “ Thats the way it is.”
Carry on.
jamesb says
Jack?
I HAVE and still support ‘specific’ cuts in the Defense budget….
The F-35 Fighter Jet program i have written as a almost complete fuck up…
The kC-46 aerial tanker program not much better
Cutting those two programs back would result in savings of tens of billions…
Buying ‘off the shelf’ things would save more billions…
Upgrades in the use of on line technology would make a jump in efficiency and lessen personnel…
Privatizing somethings also might help bring down costs….
I present concrete goals for the admin to work towards that could get the essential political support from Congress that writes the checks…
jamesb says
Hammer’s brought by the military shouldn’t have to go to bid ….
Zreebs says
James, I might never have met anyone quite as clueless as you. You didn’t need to provide details on why it was a stupid question, but you did.
I was aware that an across the board decrease on a defense budget would not be practical any more than a corporation requiring an across the board 10% decrease on expenses. And your response shows how naive you are to think that we wouldn’t understand that.
Neither Jack nor I have ever claimed to be knowledgeable about the details of defense department expenditures. We only know that we spend a lot on defense compared to the rest of the world, and we can put some of the money to better use elsewhere.
I had previously asked you nicely to stop communicating with me. please explain in detail what you plan to do in the future so as to not give the impression that you are a complete idiot.
jamesb says
Z?
Stop dancing and address the subjects we talk about here and leave the personal stuff out…
Doing THAT should make things better for ya…
The place IS about other things than just gripping about MY view of things vs ur’s….
I don this place fir people to enjoy different points of view and learning from it…
Again?
You seem way too serious….
You are supposed to enjoy this place
My Name Is Jack says
I’ve never learned anything from you.
Unless “ learning “ how to conduct oneself as a complete dumbass ,fool and idiot, are qualities one should have to “learn.”
You really need to stand down a little bit here.Your hectoring ,although usually somewhat amusing in its absurdity as I mentioned in a previous post , is now bordering on inviting your few posters here to leave.
Perhaps CG was onto something.Maybe you are looking for some excuse to close this place down.
If that be your desire?Why not just do it rather than your present course which seems to me self defeating.
jamesb says
Actually Jack?
I’m feeling REALLY GOOD about myself here…
Not looking to anyplace….
But U could also take another one ur mini vacations if u need to ….
I’m so glad i make a few of the regular’s feel so goood!😁
I must be doing something RIGHT‼️
jamesb says
My point on the specifics is that CONGRESS actually writes the Defense budget which IS also a HUGE jobs thing….
Any cuts in the budget across the boatd would be doomed to failure….
The the jobs and revenue from the Pentagon is spread across the 50 states which is a YUGE hindrance to any cuts…
So?
As we have seen over the last decade?
Cut’s do not last and the Pentagon budget keeps rising on average…
Social programs do NOT. Have as wide political support in Congress as Defense…
THAT IS a FACT…
jamesb says
I know some here hate it when i point out most things ARE complex….
But i just state the factual truth
My Name Is Jack says
What?
A member of the Presidents own party disagrees with him?
Damn !That never happens!
I mean if this doesn’t “prove” a “ civil war?”
What does?!!
jamesb says
As mentioned…..
With the win on several fronts?
The Democrats seem to trying to row together…
What a nice thing!
It won’t last….
But I certainly enjoy it!
My Name Is Jack says
Now with that bit of clownfoolery out of the way,perhaps now would be a good time to illustrate what a Real Party civil war looks like.
In 1964, the Republican Party engaged in a major war over the direction of the party which for years had been dominated by an Eastern establishment.In the early sixties more conservative voices from the west and south began asserting themselves .Their somewhat reluctant champion was Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater ,who,in 1960 ,had admonished them to “grow up.”Many assumed that New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller would be the nominee in 64(even Goldwater himself) .
The N.Y. Gov.,however, divorced and married another divorcee( no big deal today but this was almost 60 years ago).Essentially drafted, a reluctant Goldwater entered the fray and began accumulating delegates.Rockefellers Star plummeted.Indeed other establishment candidates floated around ,including 1960 VP candidate Henry Cabot Lodge,who actually won NH on a write in vote ,while some thought Richard Nixon who had narrowly lost four years earlier might be the compromise choice.As Rockefeller continued to falter,”Stop Goldwater “ movements began .George Romney ,who had won the Governorship of Michigan two years before with no political experience, talked about jumpingIn ,but didn’t.
When Goldwater finally vanquished Rockefeller in California at the end of the primary season,many assumed it was all over.The establishment though refused to concede and a scant few weeks before the convention another 1962 victor, Pa. Gov. William Scranton, conceding that was “very late” threw himself into a last ditch effort to “save the party.”
Accusations threw fast and furiously.The convention in San Francisco wastense and even somewhat dramatic .Former President Eisenhower showed up to offer words of encouragement to all ,but steadfastly refused to be drawn into the battle.Rockefeller ,who had blessed Scranton ,drew up a resolution denouncing a host of extremist groups,including the John Birch Society, which had notoriously supported Goldwater.Nominated on the first ballot,Goldwater added fuel to the fire by his famous “extremism in the defense of liberty” acceptance speech ,whom many thought was more a reading establishment types out of the party ,rather than a conciliatory unifying call.
The rest is history of course.With many establishment Republicans at best sitting on their hands and at worst actively or secretly supporting LBJ ,Goldwater is buried in a landslide..
I was teenager during all this ,but remember it fairly well as some others do here.That was a civil war for you,one that continued in some form until 1980 when the conservatives finally heeded Goldwaters call of twenty years earlier and did “grow up” and seized control of the party.
Admittedly this is but a capsule rof the events of 1964.I use this only to illustrate what a real political civil war looks like,rather than the laughable effort here to publish a few normal political statements and portraying such as a “civil war.”
And of course ,consider the source.
Zreebs says
I am impressed that you would remember this in rather impressive detail as a teenager. There is very little about politics that I remember as a teenager! I do remember the bong and taking a six pack of beer from the fridge to party with my friends under the railroad bridge in the woods!
Democratic Socialist Dave says
I remember it well, because I had become very political by the time I was in junior hight school (I remember borrowing James Baldwin’s The Fire Next Time from our school library, having already bought and read Nobody Knows My Name: More notes of a native son. And my family was pretty political although not fanatic.
I don’t know when you grew up up, Z, but the sixties were a decade when it was hard to ignore politics. Our family came back to Providence in the last month of the Eisenhower administration, when the Freedom Rides and segregation dominated the news, plus most kids had some idea of what the atomic bomb could, since the Cold War was the other topic leading the news.
I was passionate and moralistic enough, even though I had no regular contact with any particular political organization until college, to go alone on the March on Washington, 28 August 1963 (a year the Civil Rights Act and Goldwater’s nomination) at the age of 14.
And three months later, even apolitical and anti-political people paid attention to the assassination of JFK and LBJ’s ascent. The whole country (including previously scheduled broacasts) shut down for four days.
Come the new year, and many people (including me) were closely watching the Civil Rights Act and the fight for the GOP presidential nomination.
That intra-party civil war, of course, was followed by another one within the Democratic Party, largely over the war in Viet Nam (which had started escalating with the Tonkin Gulf authorization-of-force resolution in August 1964 and LBJ’s massive deployments and bombing in the spring of 1966).
The familiar details are the subject for another post, but almost exactly as in the 1963-65 G.O.P., the Democrats were at war with each other, most dramatically at and around the violent national convention hosted by Mayor Richard Daley (D) in Chicago in late August of 1968. And that was only two months after the assassination of RFK on June 6th and four months after Martin Luther King’s on April 4th.
Eugene McCarthy and Robert Kennedy both drew supporters from the anti-war movement to explicitly challenge the Democratic establishment, even forcing an incumbent President at the end of March to stop seeking renomination.
Just as the Rockefeller, Romney and Scranton Republicans were either reluctant or downright hostile to supporting Goldwater’s general election, many supporters of Kennedy, McCarthy (and nominally George McGovern) were either reluctant or downright against supporting Hubert Humphrey’s fall campaign, (I only did so, with no practical effect, after LBJ paused the bombing of North Vietnam in late October.)
Four years later, when the war was continuing under Nixon in 1972, the tables within the Democratic Party were turned. The rise of George McGovern was opposed by a variety of less-dovish Democrats: Edmund Muskie (the labor movement’s unity leader who tried to straddle the peace issue and even won some liberal anti-war endorsements, e.g. Michael Harrington’s), Hubert Humphrey and Henry (Scoop) Jackson of Washington state (the Senator from Boeing, who also had a commendable record on the environment). The 1968 Miami convention was peaceful, but still very contentious and the anti-McGovern forces inevitably lost.
However, the same civil war continued in reverse, with McGovern having only limited, or often zero, success in gaining the effective support of the anti-McGovernites. George Meany was so bitterly opposed that the AFL-
CIO broke decades of post-1920 policy by declining to endorse either Nixon or McGovern. Some of my comrades in the Socialist Party even supported Nixon.
Between Barry Goldwater’s vote against the Civil Rights Act in the summer of 1964 (something he later regretted) and the nomination of Georgia Gov. Jimmy Carter in 1976, the Democratic Party had lost millions if not tens of millions of white Southern voters to the Republican Party of Goldwater and Nixon.
However the civil was finally over.
jamesb says
Thanks for the history Jack…
Names from our past brings back smiles of recognition….
Democratic Socialist Dave says
Smiles ??
jamesb says
I found this in PWire this morning on the Grand ole’ Party ‘unity’….
GOP Dances Around Trump’s Lingering Presence
“The first spring donor retreat after a defeat for a political party is typically a moment of reflection and renewal as officials chart a new direction forward,” the New York Times reports.
“But with former President Donald Trump determined to keep his grip on the Republican Party and the party’s base as adhered to him as ever, the coming together of the Republican National Committee’s top donors in South Florida this weekend is less a moment of reset and more a reminder of the continuing tensions and schisms roiling the G.O.P.”
Associated Press: Trump addresses GOP as power to shape national debate wanes.
Democratic Socialist Dave says
Having written all that (but not wanting to let James claim any kind of credit in these insufferable monotonous wars every weekend over who rather than which points was right or is right), let me post an intermediate assesssment somewhere between the absolutes.
(1) There is no Democratic civil war now and there was none in 2019-2020 either, despite the reluctance or recalcitrance of some Sanderinistas. Four years earlier there was an intense but entirely normal factional struggle within the Democratic Party that is far, far from anything like a civil war.
(2) Where I fall in between is in the current G.O.P. I just am not sure how permanent or how deep Trump’s power will be. Obviously he now wields dictatorial authority over nearly every national, state and territorial party organ (although he still can’t get every Aye on impeachment or Nay on challenging the canvass punished by a local G.O.P. vote of censure.)
I would not call the Republican intra-party struggle to be a civil war in the sense of a main-force engagement on the model of Antietam or Gettysburg, more a quasi-guerrilla campaign of irregular forces against Trump, vaguely analogous to Mosby’s rangers or (for bitter irony) the successful violent campaign of the KKK and the White South against Reconstruction, equality and civil rights.
Although he doesn’t seem to have had much opportunity to effect his beliefs, I can see CG among those guerrillas against the new Trumpublican estabishment.
The trouble that The Lincoln Project’s organizers have brought upon themselves hardly strengthen the anti-Trumpers, but I don’t think they have offered Unconditional Surrender.
jamesb says
The weekends ARE rough here….
Thank You for ur analysis….
I shall ‘press on regardless’!
My Name Is Jack says
Your analysis above totally coincides with comments I have made here at various times over the last few weeks.
Certainly no observer of the political scene could rationally compare the relatively minor disagreements within each party to the raging battles of 1964 which I discussed yesterday and the ones that roiled the Democratic Party in 1968 and 1972.
that you pointed out.
Those were true Civil Wars.
There were some indications immediately after the Jan. 6 insurrection that the Republican Party might be on its way to something similiar.However, lack of grassroots supports quickly doused those embers.Sorry but a few speeches and Adam Kinzingers PAC do not a “Civil War” make.
Scott P says
Trump called Mitch McConnell a “dumb son of a bitch” in a speech last night.
If this were truly a GOP Civil War you’d expect return fire of the same caliber today.
I won’t hold my breath. My guess is McConnell might along the lines of “Trump will be Trump”.
jamesb says
Ok Scott….
In reference to my new definition ….
The TOW continues in both parties with Trump STILL flexing ….
Donald Trump continues to do what he has done thru most of his recent adult life…
To try to dominate all within sight and them make money….
It works with some…
Not with others….
McConnell was re-elected back home ands is STILL the leader of the elected Republicans lawmakers in Congress….
Trump is a private citizen…
My Name Is Jack says
To dismiss Trump as a “private citizen,” while technically correct ,is an obvious absurdity.
He is the titular leader of the Republican Party, is the leading candidate for the Republican president nomination, and is such a fearsome force within that party that those willing to cross him are few and far between.Howeber, , to those who engage in self invented fantasies about myriad “civil wars” ?
Sure ,yeah he’s nothing more than a “private citizen.”
Keith says
How about some short hand analysis of this past week’s discussion:
Trump runs the Republican Party (see this weekend’s events), Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has no influence within today’s Democratic Party.
jamesb says
Yea Keith….
I didn’t think the RFK Jr. would run for as long as it did….
That ‘Kennedy’ thing still gets a go, eh?
Scott P says
The RFK Jr thing was a lame grasping at straws by CG in an attempt to spread the falsehood that anti vaxx sentiment is more prominent among Democrats and those on the left than it is among Republicans and those on the right.
That’s all.
jamesb says
Agreed….
CG says
That is a complete and total lie. I never said anything about *more* prevalent, but it is a fact that pre-Covid, anti-vaxx sentiment was shared by the fringes of both ideologies, and RFK Jr was the most prominent person of America that held those views. His organization spent far more money on anti-vaxx Facebook ads than anyone else.
In regards to Covid, there are still various groups that have reluctance to use the vaccine. Which is more important, fixing that problem or having a political weapon to use against one side?
I simply asked whether RFK Jr would continue to be an influential voice within the party as he once was. I expected the answer to be no, but Zreebs argued at first that RFK Jr should continue writing checks and doing what he had done and it should not matter to Democrats.
I have my own health concerns, which are not helped by such dishonesty, so I feel like this is a good time to leave this site, at least for now.
jamesb says
Only roughly 1/3 of American’s have been vaccinated…
My Name Is Jack says
I hope your health concerns work out for you CG.
I’ve had some myself at various times that have caused me to depart the scene.Once I thought it was permanent .
Fortunately ,that turned out not to be the case.
Remember nothing said by any of us,me included, is worth endangering your health.
Good luck to you.
jamesb says
I second Jack….
Take care of yourself…..
Keith says
I join with Jack in wishing Corey good health. It is no fun having any health problems, especially when you are in your 40s. Hopefully our friend will put those fears aside soon.
However, we do need a correction here. Zreebs never lied at any point in his exchange over the RFK Jr. whataboutism. In fact, I have never known Zreebs to lie.
We were told RFK Jr. was a leader of the Democratic Party and Zreebs questioned that description and so did I. We were never given any real examples other than references to fundraisers for unnamed Democrats and his praise, now withdrawn, of Gavin Newsom. Weak tea examples to connect the Democrats to the anti-vaccination movement. RFK Jr. is an embarrassment to Democrats and his family. He hardly speaks for the Democratic Party.
The whole conversation was driven, once again, by our desire to call out the endless “what abouts” when a Republican is caught either with his pants down (see Matt Gaetz) or taking a abhorrent public position (in this case the numerous Republicans who refuse to take COVID-19 seriously).
So I hope Corey feels better soon and returns to this blog, as we all know he will.
jamesb says
I quote ….
‘….as a “private citizen,” while technically correct ‘….
Thank You…
The leader of the party?
Me and the other media report on those who do NOT subscribe to his outright lies, rants and efforts to turn ‘the party’ into his personal bank….Yep there aren’t many…..
I agree with you that the ‘party’, in his supporters, ARE zombie like linings ….
Yea Jack…
He’s the ‘King’ of playing ‘Wack a Mole Republican’ Game…..
Plays well in the media
Scares the shit out of grown men and women …
Makes them nod their heads and lose their minds….
He, he, he…..
jamesb says
I’m sticking to maybe a better definition in a ‘tug of war’ for the direction of the Democratic parties direction during the primaries ….
For the Republicans?
They got ‘conquered’ by Trump in their ‘tug of war’ that did not last long…..
My Name Is Jack says
A “tug of war “as you call it is nothing more than the regular give and take of political life which has existed almost since the founding of the country.
Your insistence is trying to magnify normal political activity into some major event is well known here and the object of well deserved criticism and scorn.
jamesb says
Yes Jack….
NevertheLess?
It IS a ‘tug of war’….
It happens often….
It IS a major event for those who deal with it everyday and us who follow it….
You have ur view….
I have mine…
The media WILL continue to amplify it….
Even as DSD convinces me to take it down a peg here with reasoning NOT personal throw downs …
My Name Is Jack says
Once again,hyperbolic nonsense that regular political discourse is worthy of silly headlines ,almost irrational comparisons and often indecipherable gibberish deserves to be called out for what it is.
If you or anyone else here doesn’t like it?
Couldn’t care less.
My Name Is Jack says
I mean making a big deal out of Bernie Sanders opposing defense spending as indicative of”murmurings” in the Democratic Party?
Really?
Who here doesn’t know that Sanders has always been an opponent of increased defense spending as are almost all those who call themselves “progressives” and has been for years.
Yet you portray a part of the normal political discourse as if it “proves” anything more than Sanders opposes defense spending.
jamesb says
We don’t have to agree to about the ‘tug of war’s in both parties on and off Jack….
Democratic Socialist Dave says
I just realized how ironic it is of James to instance Bernie Sanders’ opposition to more defence spending as an example of civil war or severe internal struggle within the Democratic Party, since he’s lectured the rest of us (left, right & center) so many times that Bernie Sanders isn’t a Democrat.
jamesb says
Good point DSD….
He isn’t a Democrats of course
But he sings with the Democrats just like Angus King…
And yes….
As we All know here he campaigned HARD to pull the party he actually is NOT a member of to the hard LEFT….
Talk about a ‘tug of war’?
How about this link?
Or this one?
Or?
Even this one?
jamesb says
But in the end?
The establishment primary voter picked THEIR guy….
Ole Joie Biden…..
Props to Bernie for doing the “Right Thing’ in the end and getting on board the train from Delaware ….
He HAD worked for Hillary Clinton and he worked FOR Joe Biden….
Democrats wisely rewarded him with committee assignments in the Senate….
Unlike the comments from some here?
I do NOT hate the man….
I just think that his push to the HARD left is NOT good politics for Democrats and last year I did complain about his efforts to made a LOT of things free based on a tax increase for middle class Americans something that has almost NO support from Republicans and Democrats….
His and Warren’s tax the rich is up for grabs in the Biden infrastructure bills…
We’ll see how it plays…..