It IS starting off on a bad foot….
The members seem to be the Republican Trump Rightwingnuts crew…
On Saturday, Greene (R-Ga.) described the document as “a staff level draft proposal from an outside group” and claimed she had not read it. She blasted the media for “taking something out of context,” but did not specify to which policies in the document she objected.
However, Greene did not deny plans to start an “America First Caucus” and ended a lengthy Twitter thread by saying she supported former president Donald Trump’s “America First agenda.”
“America First policies will save this country for all of us, our children, and ultimately the world,” Greene tweeted. Trump’s “America First” agenda was characterized by a nationalist approach to issues such as immigration, trade and foreign policy. It was criticized by Democrats and some Republicans as sometimes backing xenophobic or racist policies.
Greene and Rep. Paul A. Gosar (R-Ariz.) are reportedly behind the new caucus, according to Punchbowl News. A spokeswoman for Rep. Barry Moore (R-Ala.) told the Montgomery Advertiser Friday that the congressman had not yet joined the America First Caucus, disputing reports that he had signed on as an early member.
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), who faces federal and House Ethics Committee investigations over allegations of sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, tweeted Friday that he was joining Greene in the caucus….
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House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) on Friday seemed to oppose the formation of the caucus, though he did not call it or its members out by name.
“America is built on the idea that we are all created equal and success is earned through honest, hard work. It isn’t built on identity, race, or religion,” McCarthy tweeted. “The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln & the party of more opportunity for all Americans — not nativist dog whistles.”
Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.), the third-highest-ranking Republican leader in the House, and Rep. Adam Kinzinger (Ill.), one of Trump’s most vocal critics within the GOP, also denounced what the caucus stood for.
Note…
The Republicans ‘tug of war’ heats up in Congress…
image…Freshman Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) walks past the House chamber at the Capitol on March 17. (J. Scott Applewhite/AP)
GOP Grapples with Extremist Episodes Among Its Own
Politico: “The House GOP has so far confronted no large-scale blowback from Gosar’s speech to the America First Political Action Conference, or from other incidents that link a few of its members to far-right imagery or rhetoric.”
“But some fear that if the conference — which just ushered in a historically diverse freshman class — doesn’t stomp out those political brush fires now, there’s a risk they will spread and engulf the party. Democrats are already trying to make QAnon, the far-reaching conspiracy theory labeled as a domestic terrorism threat by the FBI, the face of the GOP ahead of the midterms.”
You’ve done one of your typical jobs of downplaying the extremism now endemic to the January 6 party( at least half of Republicans polled make varying degrees of excuses for this insurrection against the government of the United States.)
This is like the ultimate manifestation of the latent hate that now envelope this party.
Who cares that it hasn’t got off the ground?We can all plainly see what it’s about.In my view a substantial number of Republicans share these views ,even if for political and social reasons they placidly refuse active participation.
In essence what we have here is the ultimate conclusion to Trumpism…open White Nationalism.
In fact i point out that the new House caucus IS rightwingnuts….
So much so that the House leader doesn’t want any part of it and Greene is edgy about it….
Like I said
You are having a hard time letting go of Trump
As the Supreme GOPer….
But slowly Republicans in Congress Will and ARE….
Time moves on and Trump is actually helping them…
Find something else to complain about me…
I will continue to point to waning Trump influence on the lawmakers ….
This as they try to harness Perceptions their voters always had and Trump coped for his own use…
Let’s examine your definition of “RightWing nuts” shall we.
In a Reuter’s/Ipsos poll of three weeks ago…around 50% of Republicans believe the January 6 insurrection was largely non violent or was the handiwork of left wing activists trying to make Trump look bad.Do you view those holding such views as “RightWing nuts?”
In the same poll 60% of Republicans believe the election was stolen from Trump due to widespread fraud.Do you believe those holding such views as “RightWing nuts?”
147 Republican members of Congress against certifying Bidens election as President.Do you regard such people as “RightWing nuts?”
The poll also revealed the over 80% of Republicans hold a favorable impression of Trump making him the most popular figure in the party.
However against all this we have your uh “analysis” that Trump has a”waning influence” on the Republican Party.
Readers may draw their own conclusions.Indeed I hereby invite the hundreds of people reading these comments to come out of the woodwork.We know you’re there!James tells us so!
Come forward key your voices be heard!
You left out the point i have been making all along….
The ‘supporters’ and lawmakers the media focuses on are NOT THE SAME….
The lawmakers where taken over 4 years ago…
I acknowledge that…
But because they NEVER like the Big Guy?
They JUST let him pimp them…
The Majority of Republican voters just found a guy who said what they think outloud…
Again?
For me….
Trump isn’t a GOPer
He’s just a egomatic half a brain DONALD TRUMP….
With his loss…
Jan 6
Georgia losses
The lawmakers who NEVER liked the guy ARE SLOWLY moving away from him
AGAIN?
He’s a losing shit sandwich
Republican lawmakers in Washington and Red states really have no choice but to begin to walk away from him
I know you can’t see it
But it IS right there in front of U
I’ll keep pointing it out
You’ll get it sooner or later
In the end Jack….
Republican voters can vote for ringwingnut Trump people and keep the Democrats in majorities…
Or they can nominate people who can win…
For Democrats?
Trump may turn out to be the gift that keeps giving as ‘what he touches KEEPS turning to shit!’
I believe in facts as they exist not someone claiming he “sees” all sorts of things.
But like you said last week?
You’re “happy” with yourself.
That’s a nice way to be.
Rather than your usual repetitious indecipherable mumbo jumbo ,I will wait fpr the replies from the hundreds who have already or will shortly view my comment.
In fact every post here goes out to 75 or so on twitter and 150 or so from the site itself not thousands….
But enough people to make me happy and let u smirk….
And of course u are included on the list!
Alas none of the 225 people who visit this site or receive it on twitter saw fit to reply to my post.
Quite disheartening!
Could be ,like Trump?I have a “.”waning influence.”
?????🙄
Liz Cheney raised $ 1.5 million by speaking out against America First.
But Marjorie Taylor Green raised twice as much.
Steve King was ostracised from the House Republican Caucus, but those who think and speak as he did will remain.
Indeed DSD….
People ain’t just one thing, eh?
Gosh i’m having fun❗️😆
An incongruous statement.
How could anyone get from DSDs comment that
“People can be more than one thing?”
Maybe you are having too much Uh
“Fun?”
They ALL are making money….
Even Cheney who some thought was done for, eh?
Why do I have to spell it out?
A crazy wingnut raises twice as much as a conservative but sane party leader.
Does this not suggest something about the relative strength of forces among the Republican base?
To any rational person?
Of course.
Which I guess says something about his mental state.
Sure….
The wing nuts ARE more crazy
Lets NOT forget the part about Business taking a break from donating?
Also the pause for party after Jan 6
But yea DSD i get ur point
No you don’t.
His point is diametrically opposed to your “point” that you have regaled us with for awhile now,
That more “moderate anti Trump” forces were getting stronger so much so that Trump And the kooks were becoming less and less a force within the Republican Party.
DSDs point is that based on donations that force is not only not fading but remains predominant within the party
When the chief kook is out raising the No.2 person in the Republican Congressional hierarchy any reasonable person would acknowledge that.
Hillary Clinton out raised Trump and lost…..
Incumbents always need LESS money….
Again?
We’re gonna see how many Trump supported people win….
I am constantly reminded of the Ga Senate results and the fact that Murkoski, Cheney , Romney are still politically alive and well….
Your turn Jack?
As to Georgia?
County party meetings there find the Trumpites in firm control as reported by the Atlanta newspapers.
Some old line party leaders were ousted.
Romney has essentially adopted Senior status .
He’s not leading anything.
In fact he predicted that if Trump runs he will be the nominee in 2024.
Romney understands where this party is much more than you do.
Then again,almost everyone does.I visit many political sites and even the most fervent anti Trump ones concede that Trump is still the dominant force in the Republican Party.
Once again,everyone is entitled to their own opinion and that’s all you have because your facts?Are sorely lacking in advancing your opinion.
And for sure that’s not unusual in dealing with you,
My feeling expressed here HAS BEEN the Donald Trump IS the ‘Big Guy’
But my view here has also been that ARE an increasing number of establishment GOPer’s moving on from him…
I have dine several post referencing this…
You tend to see things in the frame of It’s ‘completely’ Trump’s party…
That is NOT true…
He polls strong support yes…
But increasingly establishment and others , including the emerging ones who will run for the party nomination ARE borrowing his bs to steal support for them selves
Other Congressional , state and local GOPer’s are coming out about putting space between a ‘loser’ and the party…
Yes i have ‘my’ view and HAVE backed it up here
It’s alright if u don’t accept it because what I have been pointing to IS going on regardless
As usual you’re trying to change the subject.
This point has nothing to do with who will be victorious ?I imagine both will.
DSDs point was simple, now see if you can understand it…
A crazy Wingnut raises twice as much as a sane party leader.
Does this not say something about the relative strength of forces of the party base?
I actually acknowledged DSD Jack….
I guess u missed that part…
Ah guys?
On that wing nut raising MORE money then the establishment lawmakers?
You might want to read this….
This dog is again pointing out that the wing nuts are NOT as overwhelming strong as the establishment types in actuality…
There seems to be charade on the ‘BIG’ fund-raising numbers for Hawley and Greene that the media and the Trump supporters and ‘some others’ take as ‘support’? ….
As I believe….The establishment people seem to be doing fine against the wingnuts high expenses and gasing their fundraising figures vs their actual take….I’m not surprised with these revelations which of course are buried off the main pages of the media
…Hawley’s and Greene’s list rentals show how politicians can pad their fundraising figures — if they’re willing to pay for it. There’s scant evidence that fundraising success represents broad popular support for a politician outside the narrow slice of Americans who make political contributions, and many of the people on the rented mailing lists may not have been constituents of Hawley’s or Greene’s. Still, the money is real, and the perception of fundraising star power is its own kind of success in Washington.
“They’re juicing their numbers, but their return on investment is still a net gain,” said Jessica Baldwin-Philippi, a professor at Fordham University who researches how political campaigns use digital communications. “The money matters, the articles about the money matter and convey power, and it adds to their clout.”…
More…
James,
You may have one of those wingnuts knocking at your door trying to garner Republican support for his gubernatorial Run, Lee Zeldin…This douche voted against the election but is running for governor…He will get a lot of support in my neighborhood and lots of other communities on LI that are still wedded to Trump…those flags will rise again…Democrats need to get a strong Candidate not named Cuomo for this upcoming governor election….I am a bit anxious…Mario’s inappropriate and harassing ways are cramping the Democrats style in NY…time to get a governor that doesn’t have a sexual problem Spitzer, Cuomo…
Cuomo could run tomorrow and win…
He’s NOT gonna leave
His poll numbers just went below 50%
But the last he won they where only at 55% or so i think…
Seriously?
I think he beats the rap and settlers outside court in some of the cases…
I could be wrong but i think he’s over the
worst right now…
He ain’t doing a Franken
Any incumbent whose rating hovers around 50% should be extremely worried.
Unless every potential challenger makes or has made irreparable mistakes, the incumbent’s slightest slip, the slightest act or slightest revelation could lose him or her at least enough (abstaining or opposing) voters to lose re-election.
Agreed DSD….
I’m sure Andrew Cuomo is…
But right now he’s going around the state opening things up…
The state is due to get BILLIONS in Federal money…
His virus handling numbers are still strong
Wait till we see the comparison polling numbers against ANY Republican?
BYW?
DeBaliso could primary Cuomo
I think his numbers are way worse….
Oh and he signed the marijuana bill also…
Andrew Cuomo is NOT A nice guy…
But neither was Trump,…
James your misreading the NY tea leaves…his numbers will continue to go down…People are really tired of him, his other scandals are going to sink him, you think they have gone away cause there is limited press…wait until the AG reports come out…its going to be back to open season on him…the media attention has cooled because you can only run with a story for so long without anything new being brought to the table…once shit is said and done…I say he is either taken out, or he won’t run again because he will be toxic…Remember…women will be the deciding vote in the state election…you already know the white male vote is going to Zeldin Giulani Or another Trump dick licker…a lot of his problem focus on sexual harassment of women and the death of peoples grandmothers, grandfathers…that shit won’t fly with the group of voters he will need to secure the election…
I think you need to take a Holiday and Go hang out with some Republicans for like a week, then come back here and see if your not seeing that the party is still waste deep in Trumpism (and by extension Trump himself because that really is what Trumpism is) and that is the way of things…
I KNOW ALL that about Cuomo…
I don’t need a vacation to see things the way I do…..
I have said wait for the AG….
I do KNOW women will be voting…
Ask around and see what u get back on Cuomo with women…
Donald J Trump had TON’s more shit thrown at him from his encounters with women Bdog in 2016…
He won the fucking election AGAINST a WOMAN!!!
Vacation?
Bull Shit….
The FBI and the AG are investigation Trump’s staff on the Hospital data….
Cuomo didn’t do the numbers….
I believe there is only ONE criminal complaint against Cuomo for a unwanted kiss in the checks…
Listen?
I do0n’t like the guy….
But?
So far?
He’s STILL in Office as OUR Governor……
He just sat down with the same people that will be expected to pass judgement on his in the state legislature and did a budget…and did a marijuana bill…and is opening every fucking thing he can find in the state while boasting lower virus numbers…
Stop for a minute…
ANYONE mention him resigning in the last two weeks?
NOPE….
I’m singing my song on Trump’s bleeding influence also…
As LOUD as I can….
I could be wrong?
But I don’t think so….
Just like with Biden winning the nomination and his day job?
This ole’ dog can still smell pretty damn GOOD!
Damn!….
I LOVE this SHIT!
Yeah you’re definitely a fount of political wisdom!
Then of course there’s
“ Ignorance is Bliss”
Or
“ What a Fool Believes”( with apologies to the Doobie Brothers)
Just to mention a few.
I share neither James’ blind hopes for the Never-Trumpers, nor Jack’s flat insistence that it’s impossible for them to regain at least some meaningful influence in the GOP.
Here’s what Tamara Keith and Amy Walter said to Lisa Desjardins on last night’s PBS Newshour:
Amy Walter:
Lisa, it wasn’t that long ago that party leaders in Washington had an ability to sort of keep their caucus together and to keep some of their rebels from going out of bounds by limiting two things, one, their access to donors, and, the other, their access to good plum committees.
Now, we know that Marjorie Taylor Greene has already been kicked off her committees. That was Democrats that instigated this. But the access to donors, well, that now has opened up because of, well, the Internet and the ability for candidates to raise a whole lot of money from small-dollar donors.
So, Marjorie Taylor Greene, she’s not the favorite of anyone in the establishment, but it looks like she’s raised about $3 million in the first three months of this year. So, it gets harder and harder for leadership to keep these folks sort of on the same page.
And there’s really little that they can do about showing any sort of disfavor toward them.
Lisa Desjardins:
Tam, what about the other end of the Republican Party, the anti-Trump Republicans? How are they doing right now politically and even in dollars?
Tamara Keith:
Yes.
The remarkable thing is that, for the Marjorie — for every Marjorie Taylor Greene or Josh Hawley, who’ve had a good fund-raising first quarter, there are also the Republicans, the House Republicans, who voted to impeach President Trump.
So, they are, in theory, in the doghouse, but they’re doing quite well with fund-raising. Several of them set personal fund-raising records in the first quarter after January 6, after voting to impeach President Trump, former President Trump. And they face likely primary challenges, with President Trump backing their challengers.
But the establishment money ended up flowing to those people who sided against Trump. Now, whether that will just be a sugar high that only lasts the first quarter isn’t clear, if they aren’t able to sort of keep up the public interest and get the small dollars like Marjorie Taylor Greene and others have been able to generate…
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/tamara-keith-and-amy-walter-on-the-infrastructure-package-fundraising-in-the-gop
Thank You DSD for this….
I assume Jack is gonna keep knocking my view that things ARE COMPLEX and people ain’t just one thing?
I do NOT need to convict Jack….
The reality of the actions and fact’s ARE there in plain view…..
I just spoke to Bdog and made this point…
The MORE the Grand ole Party dances with Donald Trump?
The BETTER it is for Democrats…
Trump, the LOSER, continues to rip the ass out the Republican party despite some of its members yelling ‘fire’…
Again….
‘Everything Trump touches turns to shit’…..
DSD I respect you as a serious poster but when you say “Jacks flat insistence that its Impossible for them to regain …?”That is not my position
So please read my position and please try to understand it…
My position is that RIGHT NOW Trump remains the Leader of the party that the NeverTrumpers presently have little influence in the party and that simply citing a few remarks here and there,as James does ,as indicative of any significant lessening of his influence in the party Is of little consequence.
Oddly ,just yesterday ,after watching him distort your post ,you frustratingly seemed to agree by citing the fundraising prowess of MTG vis a vis Liz Cheney as indicative as where the sympathy of the base lay.
How is that much different from my point above?
Unlike “soothsayers “like James,I’m not “predicting “ what will happen in a month ,a year ,or 2924.Could things change from the situation today?Obviouslyn,only a fool would say never.Could Trumps support begin receding?Sure.Could the Republican establishment regain its footing?Of course.Could an Anti Trumper gain prominence and significant support?Yes,however ,none of that exists presently.
So once again my comments here relate to the situation AS IT EXISTS TODAY.Yes .Donald Trump remains the preeminent figure in the Republican Party ,those who oppose him within the party are few in number and generally of little count, all those presently mentioned as Republican candidates in 2024 attempt to outdo themselves in fealty to him and such I believe is the prevailing view of most serious political observers .Maybe you disagree with that;however, until your misstatement of my position today ,you’ve certainly never indicated that.Indeed, if anything, you’ve indicated general agreement with such.
I hope you now better understand my position but then again,perhaps you’ve been reading too many of the distortions ,obfuscations, and lies of the likes of James?
If so?
That’s too bad.
Sorry for misunderstanding and exaggerating your position, Jack.
I mistook your necessarily emphatic responses (nothing short of a jackhammer, as we’ve both found, seems to penetrate some skulls, while any nuance, doubt or qualification gets converted into some gotcha !! agreement with some view with which we strongly disagree) for a near-absolute position.
And as my earlier posts indicated, I know that Trump and co. are in the saddle now — while most successors or alternatives identify as closely as possible with Trump’s claims and actions, often the very worst ones. I just don’t know how long that will last (some demographic and cultural factors suggest all the way through this decade), or if some Nixon-like figure can balance off what has now become the Republican establishment (itself a blend of previous establishments with the Joe McCarthy, Goldwater and Reagan rebels) with the Pat Buchanan-Donald Trump mass movements of today.
Well I appreciate that.
As I said,I regard you as a serious poster who often makes thoughtful comments and posts interesting views from other sources.
“I know Trump and co are in the saddle now…”
Really,in a nutshell, that’s my position .
We will see what the future hold.
And I always find His curious reply to your comments ,which are often totally contrary to James’s positions ,with a “Thank you” or better yet,”I agree” when his previous comment was quite to the contrary an amusing part of the goings on here.
Probably I should just ignore his comments a s I’ve threatened to do on several occasions;however, I confess that I often have a visceral reaction to obvious BS.So I remain a work in progress.Trying to do better.
I hope Zreebs returns and CG too after his health issues are resolved.
Jack will be happy u see things his way….
Sometimes i do
Sometimes not
It’s what makes the world go around!
It’s not so much he agrees with me.
More that as a thoughtful observer he sees what’s right in front of his face.
That Trump today remains the dominant voice in the Republican Party and that universe still revolves around him.
That’s all.
It’s a view shared by any rational person viewing the current state of the Republican Party .
My point also on how long….
From where i stand it’s happening already….
And yes I AM looking forward also….
THAT is me….