An American President can be removed from office if the Vice President and cabinet members believe the President is not fit to serve….
The action is temporary until the President would be able to resume working…
After the actions of the mob of protestor’s yesterday storming the Capital….
There has been worries about what would President do in his final days in office…
It appears Trump could be worried about essentially getting fired early and has come out and said he’ll leave office on Jan. 20th without more of a fight…
A LOT of people do NOT trust him anymore….
Involking the 25th amendment to remove Trump is a distinct long shot …..But maybe good to to talk about to keep him from doing anything more stupid or dangerous in the next two weeks…
Administration officials have started discussing the possibility of invoking the 25th Amendment to remove President Trump from office, according to a source familiar with the matter.
Officials have exchanged calls and messages about the extraordinary measure, which would require a majority of Cabinet officials plus Vice President Pence to declare to Congress that Trump is unable to fulfill his duties as president.
The discussions appear to be limited and it’s not clear whether they have reached the level of any Cabinet officials. It is not clear that officials would actually move forward with invoking the 25th Amendment, or that enough Cabinet members would even support it, particularly given Trump has only two weeks left in office….
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One former White House official acknowledged the possibility that there are discussions about the 25th Amendment but said they hadn’t gotten the sense that there were any serious talks about it at this point.
Trump’s Cabinet includes many officials who have been exceedingly loyal to him, and it seems doubtful that a majority would agree to remove him.
Meanwhile, Democrats increased public pressure on Trump administration officials to take the extraordinary step. A group of Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee sent a letter to Pence Wednesday evening calling on him to invoke the 25th Amendment and remove Trump from office following the day’s chaotic events. Some Democrats have also called for Trump to be impeached and removed from office. …
Schumer Calls for Trump’s Removal from Office
Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer called for President Trump to be immediately removed from office, saying the 25th amendment should be invoked.
Said Schumer: “If the Vice President and the Cabinet refuse to stand up, Congress should reconvene to impeach the president.”
Adam Kinzinger of IL becomes first Republican to call for the 25th Amendment to be invoked.
It is blatantly obvious that more and more Republicans and people on the right have turned on Trump and are moving on from him. Of course, it’s later than it should have been, but it is happening. Some of this was inevitable after the Georgia runoffs, regardless of the result, some is because of the genuine anger at Trump over what happened in Georgia, and of course much is because of the horrors we saw yesterday.
More and more will be leaving Trump’s “side” because of course they see strength in number. At the same time, we can salute people like Mitt Romney who was right about Trump from the start.
The issue that we are seeing among the professional tribalists here seems to be anger that Republicans are turning on Trump. From a political standpoint, that is understandable. They correctly realize that Trump is the best friend a Democrat can ever have, purely from a political perspective and they never want these days to end.
But they are ending.
Some of us knew the Trump thing was gonna begin to wear off…
Yes the fact that some,by no means all ,or even a majority ,of Congressional Republicans and Administration personnel , are abandoning Trump a scant thirteen days or so before his term ends is certainly a source of pride for aspiring former Republicans turned Biden voters turning back into what they always were,Republican.
Pride? No. Complete distortion. If anything, I will hold my “moral superiority” over anyone who gave DJT the benefit of the doubt, even for one single day.
Acknowledgement of reality, yes
Some degree of optimism for the future as it relates to the political system and what is needed for the future of the country… perhaps. Always better to be an optimist than a “Cynical Cid.”
No more a complete distortion than a Republican accusing us uh “professional tribalists” of wanting an animal like Trump remaining part of the political process.Talk to your friends over at HHR.
That’s a lie at least as it applies to me and I suspect all of my fellow “Tribalists” here
Anyone can play your silly games.
I will try to take your word for it that you would prefer a Republican Party to oppose without Trump at the helm but it comes across quite differently.
So, I guess that earns a tit for tat? Maybe we can all try to do a better job of trying to understand each other in theory
Ok
No way in hell would I want Trump to remain a power in the GOP. In fact, I find that accusation more offensive than any of your other accusations that I can recall.
And I don’t know one Democrat who believes that Trump is a friend of the Democrats. It shows how you are remarkably unable to read people if you truly believe that. I certainly would have preferred for Trump to refuse to campaign for the GA Republicans. Was I happy that Trump was ineffective in his campaigning for the Republicans.? Of course, but that was very different than what you said. It was the Republicans who wanted Trump to campaign for them – even though I suspect you still will say otherwise.
This YouGov poll being talked about with “45 percent of Republicans” says it was conducted between 5:17 pm and 5:42 pm EST. So, it was an online poll done over a period of 25 minutes. Let’s be a little cautious about polls like this. It reminds me of how Trump would claim online polls as signs he “won” the debates.
The wording on the polling question is more vague than specific. Based on the other questions, it is clear that Republicans had the impression the protests were “peaceful.” The YouGov survey question did not say they not peaceful or that the inside of the Capitol was breached, etc.
Likely there are far too many naive Republicans in the country but consideration has to be given to the possibility that people did not know or grasp what had happened before they responded to an online poll.
‘Snap polls’ ARE just that…
What does that mean James? You should know enough by now to understand that Republicans would support yesterday’s terrorist activity.
The poll you should be looking at is the one last night. Half the Republicans voted to throw out an election where they didn’t like the winner. That includes the Minority Leaser Kevin McCarthy.
There would have been more of those Republican thugs hadn’t invaded the Capitol.
James has been on a Republican “apology” tour for awhile now.
As Trumps term comes to an end and a number of his babbling sycophants start trashing him now that he can’t do anything for them?
He can barely contain his enthusiasm
Why not be enthusiastic? I think any “enthusiasm” is less about these perhaps opportunistic Republicans, but because of what it means for Trump and how Trump views what he is getting.
I can find many other things to be enthusiastic about than political hacks abandoning ship a couple of weeks before it slips beneath the waters.
But you and James ?
Have fun !
Yes, it is fun to see people turn on Trump. It is heartening to know that Trump grows more despised and more isolated by the minute.
I’d be more enthusiastic if over 100 Republican members of Congress didn’t STILL kowtow to Trump insurrectionists last night.
keep them separate then from those who did not in the House and Senate. That doesn’t mean you have to agree with them on other matters.
My point is these people will still be in office the next two years. Trump cabinet members jumping ship with 13 days to go is of lessee importance.
I agree Scott. They all voted for a lie and the Minority Leader was right there along with the other thug Republicans voting for that lie. Republicans are still committed to voter suppression.
So, just how are we supposed to keep that separate from all of the other times they have supported Trump’s illegal and immoral acts over the last four years?
Of course people should be encouraging of Republicans who have over time found their balls and begun to oppose Trump.
But it’s still only approximately six Members in either Chamber who have spoken out.
Aging and exaggerated personal blog grievances notwithstanding, Mitt Romney and the whole Republican Party built their Presidential political careers on their “dog whistles” that used race, especially when running against our first black President. He is to be commended for actually standing up to Trump (after of course first groveling to him for a political appointment) and he is a voice of reason in the Republican Senate caucus. But that doesn’t change the fact the Romney like Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes blew that dog whistle.
Grievance politics comes easy to some of our friends here. It is clearly a standard reaction to being told the truth. The modern Republican Party was built on racial politics, that’s just a fact.
And as always you gloss over your personal and well publicized role as it related to Chicago’s first Black Mayor in the 1980s in which racial dog whistles were used louder than the ones Trump used years later.
I completely reject that Nixon, Reagan, the Bushes, or Romney used dog whistles. They all campaigned on racial reconciliation, opposition to any form of bigotry, and greater opportunity for all.
Which is very different than your past.
You always come back to the same silly exaggerations Corey, as if you repeat something over and over again it will make it true.
Actually, like those Trump supporters, you believe it now. I guess your grudges make you feel better.
But that’s just the point. Republicans have been winning on grievance politics for years. We all know your list of grievances. But, you’re the one who decided to support these people right? How did you reject them?
You two need to deal with the now….
Leave history alone…
Thank You!
If I am going to blamed for things, that didn’t actually happen, before I was born,…… maybe you need to step in and enforce the rules, james.
I guess we can be enthusiastic about Mike Pence. Or can we?
He is simply doing his job. His job includes the peaceful transfer of power, and that would include his attendance at the Biden’s swearing in.
After all, even Hillary Clinton and Al Gore attended their opponents swearing in and they both got more votes.
So, are we to give Mike and Mother participation awards for doing what the fuck they’re supposed to do?
OK, if you say so.
And as far as accent history is concerned. Past is prologue. My comments are focused on what I consider the racist history of the modern Republican Party. The GOP has embraced Jim Crow, especially in places like Georgia where they have announced a special legislative session to restrict absentee voting, and suppress voters of color. Gee, Georgia just elected a black and a Jew to the US Senate. Why would the legislature seek to restrict early voting.
There are racist patterns here and the Republicans keep repeating them. And, someone, keeps trying too defend them with false equivalencies and what abouts. That’s a fact.
Yes I read about that.
Outrageous but somewhat predictable.
Yes, outrageous and predictable.
Folks can celebrate the odd Republican who is leaving early or has discussed the 25th Amendment. Or the fact that Mike Pence is simply doing his job.
But, Republicans are clinging to these frail reeds like drowning men. The ones who aren’t quite ready to join Mitt Romney and Adam Kinzinger are doing the whole “at least Pence is a fine gentleman and patriot” thing. It’s vomititious, but people do what they have to do to get through the day.
On January 21st all these people will suddenly find their balls. There is a longterm national security impact to what Trump has done over denying the outcome of this election. Those Republicans who joined with this Trump conspiracy last night are the problem and they run the Party.
True THAT Keith on the 21st thing….
Ole Linsey ALREADY has changed directions ‘somewhat’….
Racism IS a LARGE part of the OVER ALL Grand ole’ Party….
That IS MY view…
That does NOT make everyone of them fit that shoe…
But YES….
It’s there….
I often wonder how minorities in their party are able to deal with it…
And you will claim that there is no racism at all among Democrats?
There are of course racists in all aspects of life. The party I was proud to belong to up until Trump came along had some good people and bad people in it but did not have racism as a feature of the party.
That is just something that people on the other side like to say in order to justify their own voting habits.
I did NOT say that CG….
EVERYBODY breathing has biases….
As a party?
A Good amount of Republicans , in my view, have used race to handicap those who do NOT look like them…
My view IS prevalent for good reasons…
DSD could probably find a whole LOT of facts supporting ‘MY’ view….
But their efforts did NOT work in the November election and CERTAINLY NOT in this weeks Georgia elections, eh?
So do you agree that there are racists and bigots in your party, including the guy you say is a mandatory power broker in New York that all Democrats are required to schmooze?
I did NOT ‘say’ Rev. AL is a racist …
I DID say we ALL have biases…
The Trumps are either St. Louis Blues fans or really like the song “Gloria.”
https://twitter.com/nedmiller/status/1347256388725170184
This is like an SNL sketch
House Democrats Draft Articles of Impeachment
Rep. David Cicilline (D-RI), Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD) and Rep. Ted Liu (D-CA) are circulating Articles of Impeachment to remove President Trump from office following yesterday’s attack on the U.S. Capitol.
Those traitorous REPUBLICANS have no right to that song. It’s the fucking BLUES! Not the Reds.
How stupid do these
Republican MAGA bootlickees hace to be to think it’s a song for them.
it’s the voices in their heads…
heading for a breakdown
John Baron was once the alias he was living under..
Arthur Delaney
@ArthurDelaneyHP
Josh Hawley hasn’t yet said anything publicly today, as far as I can tell.
On this day last year, he said:
“There’s nothing more serious than the attempt to overturn the results of a democratic election”
Matt Schlapp the head of the American Conservative Union,Sponsors of the well known CPAC, refused to openly criticize Trump today in an appearance on Stuart Varneys Fox Business Network program.
As the Brits would say Jack, “there you have it.”
Money talks, fat Matt and his racist wife both make money from Trump, and, in the ways of Washington, they think they can go back to their old jobs and all will be forgiven.
It won’t be, not this time.
I thought you would go with the “secretly gay” angle on Matt Schlapp.
Maybe my impression is just off-base.
Elaine Chao’s “Ciao” says she is leaving in three days. They need her for the 25th Amendment first.
John Kelly on CNN just said that if he were still in the Cabinet he would vote to remove.
Nancy Mace (R-SC) says she is open to impeaching Trump and that she does not care if it costs her reelection.
On the Right Wing Media watch…
Rush Limbaugh is criticizing those who are criticizing the Trash and babbling on about the American Revolution,while Trump Impeachment attorney and fired college President Ken Starr found time to criticize Bidens speech and those seeking Trumps impeachment.
Those who are declaring Trump politically dead better wake up.He retains a lot of support in the Republican Party ,particularly among Right Wing media types ,and assorted Right wing personalities like Starr.Cleansing the Republican Party of Trumpism and it’s legacy will be a long, drawn out process whose degree of success remains very much an open question.
Soon to be dead doper Rush Limbaugh. Supporting the trash like usual.
Conservative columnist George Will ,who left the Republican Party upon Trumps ascension , is calling Trump,Hawley and Cruz “seditionists.”
Will often refers to Trump as a “gangster” as do I.
However ,given recent events I find “gangster” not sufficiently indicative of his depravity.AccordingIy,I will simply refer to his as “The Animal.”
I was going to call him a “hoodlum” rousing up hoodlum gangs and mobs.
My move in referring to him as an Animal is motivated by two things really.
The actions yesterday of course and his roe in causing them ,but just as ,if not much more importantly ,his total bungling of the response to this pandemic.How many lives could have been saved if this Animal had gone on national television wearing a mask and telling his followers that mask wearing and social distancing was necessary to combat this threat to people’s lives?
Instead ,this Animal mocked mask wearing and played to the fear mongering and conspiracy theories of his White Trash followers.
I blame him PERSONALLY for thousands and thousands of deaths and the obscenity doesn’t stop there.The Animal is heralded by so called “religious” leaders as “pro life.”This Animal is the antithesis of such a designation.By his actions he is unquestionably”pro death.”
The only credit I will give him is his encouragement of vaccine development ,but that is tempered by the fact that no national plan was devised to assure that the produced vaccines would be readily available .Instead the rollout of this has been totally botched and his promises are being reduced to another of his pathetic lieS,
The Animal is a true savage.He lacks any moral center and is truly the worst President in our history.He has caused death, destruction and a decline in the American spirit that may take quite awhile to recover.
And really what does it say about our country that a substantial number of our population look on as hundreds of thousands die and out Capitol is defiled and still support this vicious amoral Animal?
I agree with the substance of much of it. But just keep in mind that South Carolina is likely to have candidates next year for Agriculture Commissioner or Education Commissioner or Comptroller, etc, etc, who at least to this day have been saying that DJT is a great American and great President. Still, they may be “good at their jobs.” Their Democrat opponents, put up by a weak state party, may be “bozos.”
What will the choices be?
I suspect that there are some Neo-Nazi’s who are Democrats, but CG has to know that is not the norm. This “there are racists on both sides” argument is pure garbage.
It’s not the norm for Republicans either.
Let’s also remember that in addition to the travesty of racism against African-Americans, there is also bigotry, historic, and current, against other groups, including Hispanics, Asian-Americans, Muslims, Jews, and others.
There are tremendous examples of extreme rises in anti-Semitism within the last few years, both in America and around the world. Bigotry against Jews is something that occurs on the far left and the far right and certainly within the last few years, there have been elements of anti-Semitism or excuses for it given at high levels in both major parties.
Some of the more popular Republican t-shirt at yesterday’s attempt to subvert Democracy were Six Million Jews Wasn’t Enough and Camp Auschwitz.
Please spare us the false equivalency spin.
Racist and anti-Semitic Republicans stormed, just like those Nazi storm troopers their version of the Reichstag.
Thank God while they were in there they didn’t set fire to it.
Thugs. You are excusing thugs. Stop making excuses.
I haven’t seen significant racism from Democrats against Hispanics, Asians, Muslims, Jews or LGBTQ – although Of course some exists.
Of the groups you mentioned there is probably the most racism among Democrats against Muslims and Jews, but not as much as you think, and it is still less racism than among Republicans. Because of your simple way of thinking, You think that when people criticize Israel the are being anti-Semitic. That is usually not the case. In much the same way, foreigners increasingly criticize America – especially with Trump and to a lesser extent other Republicans in the White House (as anyone who travels extensively abroad will tell you), but that doesn’t mean they have bigotry to Americans.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin held informal conversations within their own agencies about the contours of the 25th Amendment, the invocation of which would begin a process to remove Trump from office,” CNBC reports.
“The arguments against pursuing action were manifold. First, the legal process itself was estimated to take more than a week, negating any immediate effect it would have.”
“Second, it was unclear whether the three secretaries serving in ‘acting’ roles without Senate confirmation would be able to cast a vote. Third, they had concerns that forcing Trump from office could further stoke tensions among his base and make him a hero of the far right, doing more bad in the long-term than good in the short-term.”
Said one former Trump official: “The general plan now is to let the clock run out.”…
Politicalwire…
Yes Zreebs, not all Republicans are racist, but all racists are Republican. This false equivalency bullshit is just that bullshit.
It will take years to clean out the rot of Republican Party.
If these fuckers were true patriots they would invoke the 25th Amendment. But they won’t.