It appears that President Donald J. Trump is gonna go down in the history books and computer data as the first American President to be Impeached /Charged by Congress ….
He isn’t gonna be removed from office….
But he’s gonna be tagged and remembered for this….
A trio of House Democrats close to leadership on Monday introduced a single article of impeachment against President Trump, charging him with inciting a mob of his supporters to carry out a violent attack on the Capitol in a bid to overturn Joe Biden’s election victory.
The article, co-authored by Reps. David Cicilline (R-I.), Ted Lieu (Calif.) and Jamie Raskin (Md.), states that Trump engaged in high crimes and misdemeanors by “willfully inciting violence against the Government of the United States.”…
Jim Sciutto
@jimsciutto
Breaking: Republicans block Democratic resolution urging VP Pence & Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer tried to pass the resolution through Unanimous Consent. WV Republican Rep. Alex Mooney objected. Dems will hold full floor vote Tuesday.
So that 25 yr old Nazi loving creep that CG was excited to see win the GOP Congressional primary in NC last year told the crowd of traitors Wednesday that it’s “time to fight”. He’s now condemning the violence he encouraged.
Typical Trump Republican creep. And he was the “moderate” in that primary last year. Sheesh!
Scott, that is an inaccurate and unfounded personal attack on me. You are increasingly doing this, in which most of your posts mention me in a very negative way, which is causing me to want to respond. I am not the person you should be attacking here.
Do you think you can stop doing that and just focus on the subjects at hand without bringing me into this? If not, I am just going to stop posting here.
Did you or did you not post about Cawthorn being the more acceptable GOP candidate in that NC Congressional primary?
No, I mentioned that uniqueness of a Trump backed candidate losing a primary, especially the former Mark Meadows district, where he had also endorsed the opponent. I mentioned that he would be the youngest Member of Congress in some time and one of the few confined to a wheelchair.
None of that has anything to do with your criticism of what he may have said in the past few days (I do not actually know what he said.) If you want to criticize him for comments or actions, fine, but it has nothing to do with me or a cute attempt to put my handle on here in the same sentence as “Nazi loving”
I apologize. I should have said the candidate you discussed as being indicative of a Trump cleansing in the GOP who turned our to be a Nazi admiring creep is now condemning the violence he encouraged on Wednesday.
Is that better?
No, there is no reason to mention me at all, unless I had responded to the same subject.
There’s no reason to keep bringing up a comment I made 16 years ago on P1 that I have apologized for, even though they were spurred by comments from a very racist poster. But here we are.
Your stopping posting here is of course your choice.
I have departed before for periods of time.
I understand that , as a Republican, this could be a trying time for you.
Most Republicans are trying to ignore the attack on the Capitol never happened. I heard your new Congresswoman give an interview this weekend where she went to the “both sides do it” argument and called for a cooling of the rhetoric on both sides. Of course she then praised Donald Trump and said how grateful she was for his help in winning her election.
At the moment I am watching those Republicans terrorists at the Capitol crush a police officer in the door as they chanted USA, USA!
I am sorry. The word Nazi and Republican should be used very liberally in the coming days.
Republicans need to go on the record. Do they impeach Donnie or not?
House Democrats have secured enough votes to impeach Trump for inciting an insurrection at the Capitol that left five dead….
Politico…
For someone so young, Cawthorn has been involved in more than his fair share of controversies.
It is easy to misinterpret people’s comments. It is done literally every day here by all of us. I recommend we just move on. I enjoy reading both Scott’s and CG’s posts.
Thank you Zreebs. Cawthorn was someone I had never heard of prior to CG mentioning him on the night of his primary victory last summer.
He has truly turned out to be an embarrassment and I imagine every one who posts on here would be happy to see him resign from Congress.
There appear to be at least two pro-Nazi Republican Members of Congress at the moment — one a Freshman woman from Illinois.
I think moving on can be appropriate at the right time Zreebs. But we have people in Congress who have engaged in sedition. They voted for the big lie, just like the big lies the Nazis told, to disqualify the valid election of our new President.
I think when Cawthorn or the new Congresswoman from Illinois said about Hitler is very clear. They admire him. Tough to misinterpret their words.
It appears now that the new Republican gun loving Congresswoman from Colorado was sending messages to the Republican domestic terrorists outside the House Chamber regarding Speaker Pelosi’s whereabouts during the attack on Congress. What do we think those people would have done if they had gotten their hands on Pelosi?
It is tough to misinterpret her intent with those tweets she was sending.
I wrote this before, but it worth repeating, we were challenged here to condemn Al Franken’s behavior in an old and embarrassing photo from before he took office. Franken resigned. I think we should all join together to insist that folks like Cawthorn resign given his support for sedition and his pro-facist remarks. Don’t you agree?
Certainly they should.
They won’t.
The sad thing is that they could probably resign, run again and be elected and that says a lot about the voters in those districts that elected them.
Where is the outrage from our Republicans friends? Why, if they can demand a Governor for wearing black face in medical school resign, can’t they demand that a Nazi sympathizer resign?
Or demand that a Colorado Congresswoman who was conspiring With the terrorists by giving them notes on where the House speaker was during the insurrection.
Keith,
What I meant by “moving on“ had to do with the six of us on this website getting over past disagreements or perceived insults.
I don’t think that appeasement will work for the Domestic Terrorists and those who riled up the terrorists with their rhetoric that was based on fiction. They should all be fully prosecuted. No exceptions – especially the instigators. (sp?)
Fully agree Zreebs, especially something Scott might have written to a racist on another site.
But, past is prologue. We cannot forgive the actions and words of politicians who clearly started this who mess in the first place.
Zreebs,
I haven’t read that about the congresswoman giving out the location of the speaker, you got an article I can read…if that is the case…wow…Talk about impeach a member of congress…
1. Right before the riot happened, I saw Boebert speaking on the House floor and said she was “all kinds of crazy.”
2. I see absolutely nothing that warrants a description of her trying to help people hunt down Pelosi. She did not say anything about where Pelosi was moved to. She said she was evacuated from the House chamber, which of course makes perfect sense that she would have been. If the rioters were following Boebert, if anything, it would have kept them away from the House chamber and an uglier situation. People should describe the Tweets accurately. I think it’s an inaccurate charge against her. The media was reporting the same thing. I think Americans, regardless of political beliefs, would want to know that the Speaker and the Vice President were under securely under guard.
3. *Everything* should be investigated and if it turns out that prior to this riot, anybody, such as Gosar or Brooks were involved in an effort to foment an illegal protest or physical confrontation at the Capitol, then they should be subject to criminal charges above all else, and also Congress would be within its right to act, up to expulsion.
4. The argument that Members of Congress should be expelled or forced to resign simply for saying dumb things, or casting horrible votes, or overheated rhetoric in general, which is something that is not anywhere near new, is a pretty dangerous slippery slope that all sides should avoid. There is nothing illegal about any of that. Let the voters decide the fate of those politicians.
Bdog,
Here is the article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/qanon-lauren-boebert-nancy-pelosi-capitol-riot-b1785663.html%3famp
Glad CG has an opinion that Boebert was innocent. I would have expected nothing less. In truth, I don’t know if the article is accurate, but investigations need to be made. If we had years of investigations of Hillary for people dying in Benghazi, then hopefully we can agree that we need at least as much investigations for more people dying by domestic terrorists at the Capitol. And anyone who conspired with the terrorists needs to be prosecuted. Appeasement is not acceptable.
Also I see we are making comparisons between making statements that clearly indicate admiration for Hitler to being an admirer of Nazis.
Go figure. Gotta defend the tribe.,
I believe in the truth and it is complete 100 perecnt b.s. to suggest that Boebert revealed information about where Pelosi was. One does not have to like her one bit to be willing to say the truth about that.
As I said, I am all for investigating everything, but nothing was said from Boebert’s Twitter feed that remotely revealed where Pelosi was, and Boebert most certainly had no idea herself. If her post stopped more of her dumb Twitter followers from trying to break onto the House floor and have a shoot-out there, that is a good thing. I think she was just “live Tweeting” what was she going through though.
Jack would know far better, but if I were Rep. Boebert’s attorney in some proceeding, I could honestly argue that it’s just as plausible, or perhaps even more plausible, that tweeting that the Speaker had been removed from the House chamber to a mob seeking Nancy Pelosi was intended (even if unsuccessfully) to divert them from all her other colleagues still in the chamber.
Perhaps hard to argue, but just as hard (without further evidence) to disprove.
Trump surrogate, convicted criminal ,and Republican bad boy Roger Stone is pledging to harass Mitt Romney anytime he tries to appear in public.
Obviously, everyone here would agree that his saying is just as wrong as when Maxine Waters spoke at a rally about wanting to see Cabinet officials harassed at restaurants, gas stations, etc.
I didn’t agree with Waters but she didn’t have a “record” of following through on her verbal meanderings.
Stone on the other hand thrives on doing these kinds of things.
With all that’s happened in the past few days it’s rather surprising that you would want to play “whataboutisms “ when a person with a track record like Stone,a convicted criminal ,in effect threatens your political hero.
Then again?Maybe it’s not.
Point is this kind of rhetoric, on all sides, should stop.
People should not be storming capitols, or harassing people at airports, or showing up outside the house of a politician they are angry at, or as one poster here once suggested, “waiters should piss in the soup of Republicans.”
Complaining about “whataboutism” should not be an excuse for hypocrisy for anyone.
Roger Stone is one of the best known dirty tricksters in the country.
Indeed he thrives upon his notoriety.
So here we are ,less than a week away from a domestic terrorist Attack on the government directly traceable to the current President of the United State and his longtime top operative Stone threatens to specifically “harass “ a US Senator that you greatly admire and your response?
What about Maxine Waters?
Sad
Roger Stone is a national joke. Maxine Waters is a Member of Congress.
He should be prosecuted if he breaks the law again. She should be more careful of her rhetoric. We already saw, a few years ago, how a deranged ideologue is willing to take action in regards to the Congressional softball shooting.. which one poster here said was “karma.”
After all Jack, Maxine is black and a woman, the favorite whipping boy of the Republican Party.
I can be safe to assume that Roger Stone approved of and encouraged the Republican terrorist attack on the Capitol Building.
Roger wasn’t considered a clown when he was working for almost every Republican President since Richard Nixon and that includes both Bushes. But hey, what about Maxine Waters.
Ridiculous.
Roger Stone did not work for the Bushes.
jack of course will either agree that I am a racist/sexist or just shrug it off.
Stone helped to distribute the Willie Horton campaign commercial and organized the “Brooks Brother’s riot” that stopped the Bush/Gore recount in Miami Dade.
Yes, he has done work for every Republican Presidential candidate since Nixon.
Stop playing what about Corey.
Factually untrue.
Stone never signed on with the Bush campaign and actively opposed George W. Bush’s Presidential runs.
He never signed on with Trump either. Of course this is true. Hurry and find a what about comparison.
His firm worked for Bush and he organized the indoor preppy riot. That’s what he does. No one actually “hires” him.
You know better Corey.
Stone actually was on the Jack Kemp 1988 campaign while his other partners went with Bush 41. He later managed Arlen Specter’s campaign, but was associated with Trump since 1988.
The rest are just conspiracy theories. You of course are not willing to be open here about your activities in the 1980s and what sort of “dirty tricks” you were tasked with.
Stone though did used to post in the P1 comments quite a bit.
Perhaps if CG wasn’t always so willing to give examples of false equivalents, we would be more willing to believe that he considers the insurrection of the Capitol by Republican terrorists to be a big deal. There is no reason to talk about Maxine Waters – as it comes across as a way of minimizing the actions pf the GOP.
It doesn’t at all. The backlash against it is just an example of some people wanting there to be a different set of rules.
Nobody can objectively look at the article about Lauren Boebert and claim she was trying to tell people where Pelosi was at a moment of danger.
Saying that the Insurrection itself was officially a “GOP” one is just deliberate partisanship.
Anybody should be outraged at what happened last week, but I see people here now absolutely losing their mind in the finger pointing game now where you figuratively want to round up everyone who disagrees with you now and ask questions later.
Maybe a break on my end is warranted. There will be far less comments and less discussion on here, but all can agree with each other more.
Maybe you do.
Your call.
I have never accused you of being a racist or sexist.
It is sort of disingenuous to be the lone Republican on a site made up of Democrats and then complain obliquely of the agreement among the posters.That surprises you?
Nevertheless, I can remember some fairly sharp disagreements here over the years .
If you take a break?Have fun.
If someone tried to call you a racist or a sexist, I think I would defend you, but I understand, you don’t want to get your hands dirty.
I don’t feel the need to “defend” you or anyone else here.
We are all big boys.
You seem to give as good as you take but occassionally become almost pouting.
However,if it makes you feel better….
I disagree with any poster here labeling you a racist or sexist.I don’t think you are either.
James, Dave and I have all been called sexist at one time or another here, usually with silence from you. And we didn’t ask Jack to defend us.
But you, can pout if you want to, but don’t expect us to feel sorry for you- even if we think the charges are unfair.
Sounds like your friend has a pattern in his behavior and some “go to” moves.
Since you like him so much, it obviously doesn’t bother you.
But of course, some person online once got mad enough at him to tell me who he actually was.
“Sexist” allegations aside, I do not believe anyone else here gets called racist or in line with a “Nazi sympathizer” over having supported Mitt Romney.
I don’t know exactly how you determined Keith’s identity. He sometimes gave obscure clues. But If you are accusing me of telling you who Keith was, that is a damn lie.
And only you have done significant research on his past. Nobody else cares what Keith was like in the 80s.
And Z?
I been called biased against women…
I’m not….
I think “GOP insurrection” is approptriate because none of those terrorists wanted Biden as President and all of them wanted Trump. Suggesting otherwise is foolish, but if you want to argue that it was not a GOP insurrection because Romney and a few others indicated that they opposed it, then go for it. We know what we saw, and changing the subject to Maxine Waters only has the effect of minimizing the insurrection – whether or not that was your intent.
The RNC applauded Trump on their call AFTER the coup attempt in his name. It was a Republican insurrection. Sorry if the truth hurts
Let’s talk about “some people” wanting a different set of rules.
In her speech to Congress, Boebert announced that she had constituents who were protesting, and she was their voice. If she subsequently corrected herself or subsequently disowned that comment, I haven’t heard it. Have you? Given the magnitude of the situation, I would think that if her views were misinterpreted, she would have subsequently clarified her comments.
I didn’t use the term “officially” a GOP insurrection. You just inserted that term to try to make my statement appear biased. In retrospect, I suppose the term “Trump insurrection” would have been more appropriate than “Republican insurrection”, but as we have discussed frequently, the two terms are very close to synonymous. I mean it is not as if I was trying to say a “Devil’s Triangle” was a drinking game, like someone here actually did.
I said the Insurrection should be fully investigated. By definition, an investigation is a detailed search for the truth. Perhaps you are correct that I misinterpreted Boebert’s comments, or more likely, we will never know for sure, but don’t underestimate what QAnon supporters believe. Your comment that I “want to round up everyone who disagrees with (me) now and ask questions later” is not an accurate description of my goals. Just note that this inaccurate characterization is coming from someone who is complaining about others mischaracterizing a situation. And don’t pretend that you are taking the high road while you use rhetoric such as “I see people here absolutely losing their mind in the finger pointing game”. You play that game every bit as much as the rest of us, and more than at least some of us. You just don’t recognize it.
Last weeks protest and other actions ARE being investigated by the FBI …..
I’d bet that when the dust settles we will hear from several media and Congressional overviews…
Yes….
Some just came to protest and orhers came to derail Congress from doing its duties and THAT is far more serious crime…
That is exactly what he is doing.
But, what does an official Republican event actually mean when we are talking about the type of terrorist activity that took place at our Capitol this last week?
Did the RNC have to hold a meeting to take a vote on whether thugs should invade the Capitol and try to do bodily harm to our elected leaders, or can we simply follow the bread crumbs that the Republicans (inside and out of the White House) have left us?
It’s apparent the Republican President invited these terrorists to the dance, the Republican Attorney General Association did too. Republican Members of Congress were in communication with the thughs on the Mall, and if you believe their “break-in” wasn’t coordinated with floor speeches I have a bridge for you.
This was a Republican riot, just like there was a preppy riot in Florida (organized by Roger Stone) to stop the Bush/Gore recount. All the denial in the world cannot change that.
That is why I am in favor of impeachment. The subsequent investigations will prove these links that are being uncovered everyday.
The Republicans are guilty of inciting civil disobedience. They have gotten away with this shit for so many years that I think they thought they could do this and intimidate Congress into appointing a Commission to investigate non-existent voter fraud.
This is all so painfully obvious that it is sad we have to even have a discussion about it.
What Mary Miller said in prepared remarks was incredibly stupid and has been roundly denounced by Republicans from Illinois to Washington D.C.
But she did not express admiration for Hitler. She made an ill advised historical analogy that required far more context that inferring as she did that “Hitler was right about (only) one thing” in regards to the success he had as a propagandist especially as it related to youth.
What Hitler was able to achieve, for his own sick means, is something that history should of course record, so that it is never forgotten or repeated. We also all know how the story ended. Nobody should want to use Hitler as an example of how to succeed in politics. She could have quoted a Whitney Houston song “I Believe The Children Are our Future”, instead.
I am not going to attempt to defend what Madison Cawthorn said last week as a Congressman, but the claim that he is a “Nazi lover” is completely unfair and takes away from any criticism, past or present, of actual Nazis.
Long before he was elected to Congress, he was at some site in Europe where Hitler vacationed or something. Many people have gone there, and he took some Instagram photos. In the captions of those photos, he clearly refers to Hitler as “supreme cvil.”
He then said some things that I have said here on the past were oddly flippant about the situation, but he was very young when he said it. Nonetheless, the use of the term “supreme evil” is not a sign he is a “Hitler lover.”
I couldn’t care less about what this jerk says about Nazis.
He’s nothing but a punk.
Total punk. It amazes me that his handicap hasn’t softened his extreme rhetoric. But then, given the record of the Republican Party, it is amazing to me that anyone with a disability would be a Republican.
I was younger than Cawthorn when I visited the Eagles Nest and my only reaction to it was that Nazis suck and their defeat was one of the greatest events in human history. There’s a beautiful shrine to the victims of the Third Reich on the mountsin top. The Germans wanted to destroy the whole structure but the Allies demanded it stay so that history could not be white washed.
Cawthorn talked about having “laughs” with his brother at the site and spoke of Hitler having ” laughs with his compatriots” though CG is right he called him a “Supreme evil”.
Still it’s weird. But Jack is right. Just a punk who is still a punk. He Tweeted “Cry more libs” on Ekection Night. Sounds like Donald Trump Jr.
Not every “punk” is a “Nazi punk,”
Just call him a “punk” if that is your view and do not minimize the Holocaust just to score rhetorical points.
Scott, it isn’t just this Nazi punk who we should be worried about. Over 120 Republican Members of Congress committed sedition by voting to overthrow a Democratically elected President. But we are supposed to think things are going back to normal.
Consider what Fiona Hill has said about last week, and then remember that these things don’t happen in a vacuum:
“Some have said it’s not a coup because the U.S. military and other armed groups weren’t involved, and some because President Trump didn’t invoke his presidential powers in support of the mob that broke into the Capitol. Others point out that no one has claimed or proved there was a secret plan directed by the President, and that Trump’s efforts to overturn the outcome of the 2020 presidential election could never have succeeded in the first place.”
“These observations are based on the idea that a coup is a sudden, violent seizure of power involving clandestine plots and military takeovers. By contrast, Trump’s goal was to keep himself in power, and his actions were taken over a period of months and in slow motion.”
“But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a coup attempt. Trump disguised what he was doing by operating in plain sight, talking openly about his intent. He normalized his actions so people would accept them. I’ve been studying authoritarian regimes for three decades, and I know the signs of a coup when I see them.”
So take it from an expert. A Republican mob invaded the Capitol and built a gallows outside the building. Why did they do that do you think? Everyone, especially those Republicans who don’t blindly feel they need to defend their party, need to think carefully about their next “what about.”
Yes the “whataboutisms “ are really getting old.
I don’t even understand why anyone feels the need to defend a punk like that Cawthorn or a Right wing nutjob like Boebert.They are who they are.
I sometimes disagree with characterization of certain political typeshere ,but as I in general oppose them, I rarely feel tye need to contradict what another poster says about them ,even if I disagree with it.
CG ,of late ,seems to take the view that he can freely criticize his fellow Republicans but, for some rather odd reason in my view ,feels the need to “defend” them, if one of us “libruls”deigns to offer criticism of them.
And this brushing off Stones threat to Romney as of no significance because Stone is a “clown?”
A lot of these types ,who invaded the Capitol, will hear what this crud said about “harassing” Romney and may say to himself,”here’s my chance to strike a blow for liberty” or whatever verbal rubbish these pieces of trash mouth off.In that case?This “clown” won’t be the source of such verbal dismissal.anymore.
Nobody is minimizing what Stone said. The issue is when others minimize similar things that have happened on the other extreme. Such as the Congressional Baseball shooting, which nearly killed a Congressman being called “karma” on here.
In regards to Boebert, there simply is no justification for leveling the charge against her that was leveled. When people step over the line like that and falsely accuse someone using incredible distortion, it makes it more difficult for others to criticize the legitimate things she deserves to be criticized for.
Yes, the people who broke into the Capitol wanted Trump to win. He seemed to encourage them. Call it the “Trump Insurrection” then if you wish. Those who call it a “Republican Insurrection” clearly have no desire to want to see the Republican Party move on from Trump or be different from him in the future, despite the protests on here.
I see no relation whatsoever to what Stone ,a well known national figure even if you find him a “clown,” and comments on a small blog like this.
Indeed someone from the outside viewing our daily back and forths here?Might label us as “eight clowns.”
So ,No ,I don’t find any “issue ” here.
Stone essentially threatened a United States Senator.Instead of expressing your outrage with the rather mild,”Nobody is minimizing what Stone said,”your response has consisted of a reference to something Maxine Waters said several years ago and a reference to an off the wall comment here.
If that’s not “minimizing?” I don’t know what is.
It wasn’t “several years ago” that Waters said it and it shouldn’t be too hard to agree that “both are wrong.” It should be the easiest thing in the world to agree to that.
I am glad to see Mitt Romney gets more respect here than he used to.
I want to see the Republican Party move on and into the next Century, including an improved response to the problems of everyday Americans and an end to voter suppression and their other racist activities.
But, to do that they have to admit their latest round of crimes against decency and our democratic norms.
There is no doubt that many of the Republicans in the House Chamber knew that the Republican thugs on the outside of the building were going to break in (we have proof they were texting back and forth with them). They (the Members of Congress) just didn’t know that it would get so out of hand. The crowd was there as an instrument of intimidation. Why else would they set up a gallows outside the building?
When over half the Republicans in Congress are willing to vote for sedition, why is it so hard to believe they weren’t willing to let a crowd of armed thugs try to intimidate the other Members of Congress to join them in voting to overturn the election? And, how can they move on from Trump when they voted for his lie?
That is exactly what happened and all the what abouts in the world cannot change those events.
It is not as if this was the first time that Trump performed an impeachable offense, yet only one Republican voted to impeach. And after Trump lost the election, Republicans wanted investigations to explore the possibility that the election was rigged – as if they would accept any conclusion that stated otherwise. Republicans wanted people to believe what they knew was a lie because they believed that if people died, it would likely be Democrats. As Romney suggested, Republicans actively encouraged GOP voters to believe that the election was rigged, and the GOP Congressmen and Senators completely share in the blame.
So after some Republican lives were unexpectedly threatened, some GOP Senators and Congressmen now believe that the their base went too far! Such enlightenment! And yet there are some who actually feel that these slime balls deserve some credit for not being as extreme as Hawley.
Truthfully, I am tired of treating GOP ideology with respect. Most of These people are evil. I believed it before Trump became President and haven’t seen anything to change my mind. In fact, the last 4 years have largely reinforced my belief. I understand that CG believes that the vast majority of Trump supporters are good people. Perhaps I am just lucky, but I personally do not know ANYONE who is more despicable than Trump. Just don’t expect me to have an indifferent opinion of people who voted for him.
When the time comes, hopefully many, many years from now, when you will be dependent on a home health aide, or in an in-patient facility, will you demand to know whether they voted for Trump or not?
No, but if they self identify during the interview as a Republican, then I would not trust her/him, nor would I be able to discuss politics with her/him. Actually, there aren’t too many Republicans these days doing work such as home health aids. Those jobs require empathy.
I’ll add my 2 cents….
The President of the United States HAS done this for FIVE YEARS….
Stating during the 2016 nomination campaign…
He has enjoyed having his supported provide ‘muscle’ for him,..
Michael Cohen pointed out that never actually ‘tells’ people to break the law…
He ‘hints’….
That IS what happened here…
It also appears as Keith points out that others joined the President in egging on his supporters to take things in their own hands and try to stop the US Congress from accepting the electoral votes from the states…
Trump has been after this goal since BEFORE the election…
And President Trump does NOT give a shit…
His actions have been by phone and in public as a clear ‘abuse of power’…
Any other office holder doing these things would have been dealing with FBI agents, the Justice Dept and the Courts…
But as we know…
The American government system gives the President the ability to fire ANYBODY enforcing federal law…
Actually?
If the military followed illegal orders from Trump as President he WOULD be able to stay in power…
A second indictment of Trump is actually child’s play….
Bill Clinton was impeached?
What’s the big deal?
The politics and culture in this country will provide Donald J Trump probably with a get out of jail pass….
I’m beginning to think that if the Manhattan DA of NYS AG DO indict Trump on tax charges like other crooks ?
They will expose themselves to physical harm….
That does NOT change a thing….
President Trump in MY view IS A CROOK…
The list of crimes are long in my view…
He never should have been elected
The only good thing about Trump
He HAS shown us the the American Government on the state and federal level abd it’s judicial system ARE STRONGER then we ever imaged…
The people supporting the guy have their views…
That is their right…
The ones breaking the law for Trump and their benefit should be rounded up and put in jail…
At Trump’s early rallies, he told people to break the law and fight with protestors and that he would pay to get people out of jail.
There was a violenct incident in Chicago, at a rally he never showed up to, and perhaps never intended to. He should have been charged then.
Indeed CG….
But the supporters loved it….
And lets face it….
So did ALL the media…
And with all that?
He completed his hostile take over of the Grand ole Party
It has become the Know-Nothing Party and we can thank Donnie for making a generation of Democrats. Young people who have seen the clown show called the GOP and will continue to reject it.
Yes James – I said that you, Dave and I have all been called sexist on this site. No need to confirm or deny. My belief is that responding to such accusations won’t convince anybody. I have sometimes been accused of things that are false, but the reality is that how we respond to certain accusations won’t change anyone’s mind anyway. And saying “I am not sexist” is one such example.
Agreed Z….
The House of Representatives is expected to vote Tuesday on a measure calling for President Donald Trump to be removed from office through the 25th Amendment in the wake of the violent siege of the US Capitol last week.
The resolution, brought forward by Democratic Rep. Jamie Raskin of Maryland, calls on Vice President Mike Pence “to immediately use his powers under section 4 of the 25th Amendment to convene and mobilize the principal officers of the executive departments in the Cabinet to declare what is obvious to a horrified nation: That the President is unable to successfully discharge the duties of his office.”
It further calls on Pence to assume “the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.”
Approval of the resolution by the Democratic-led House will stand as a symbolic rebuke to the President as many lawmakers are furious and reeling from the deadly attack on the Capitol by Trump supporters seeking to overturn the results of the 2020 election….
More…
Pence as expected has told Pelosi he will NOT 25th Amend Trump from office….
The House resolution on this goes nowhere…
2nd impeachment vote will follow in the House…