There ARE a LOT of moving parts to this….
While President Trump has been charged with one count of ‘insurrection perpetrated on the Capitol of the United States’?
He will be out of office anyways even if he is convicted…..
(Convicting him would allow Congress to THEN vote to bar him from running for office against and strip him of benefits like Secret Service protection and other benefits)
The Majority Leader of the Senate is Mitch McConnell….
But shortly after Biden is sworn in?
McConnell will trade places with Sen Schumer , who will become the Democratic Majority leader of the Senate as soon as VP Harris is sworn in…
(And the two Georgia Senate race Democrats get sworn in also)
Convicting Trump will need 10 Republican Senators to join the Democrats in the vote….
THAT could be difficult , But McConnell is NOT against that…
The REAL issue for House Speaker Pelosi and Schumer is Joe Biden’s start off in office….
If the House presents the impeachment article to the Senate?
It would become the Senate’s primary action….
THAT would present problems to Joe Biden on several fronts….
Any Biden cabinet confirmations would be held in place….
Biden just announced he wants to start his time in office with another stimulus bill…
The Senate can’t do a trial, confirmations and a YUGE spending bill at the same time…
All these things would take time Biden & Co. feel they do not have time to waste…
It’ll get worked out….
But right now?
Who knows how?
The speaker’s decision to delay sending the article was reminiscent of a similar maneuver a year ago, when she waited almost a month to press charges against Mr. Trump after the House voted to impeach him the first time for pressuring Ukraine to smear Mr. Biden. This time, though, Democrats in both chambers involved in the impeachment case said they expected the delay to be brief. Ms. Pelosi could transmit the article as soon as Monday, they said, prompting the start of a trial just as power is being transferred to Mr. Biden.
The House was waiting, at least in part, to determine the outcome of negotiations between Senate Democrats and Republicans over the shape of a highly unusual proceeding. On the cusp of taking unified control of Washington, Democrats were working to draft rules that would allow the Senate to operate on dual tracks to confirm Mr. Biden’s cabinet and begin moving his legislative agenda while trying Mr. Trump….
New Open Thread is HERE.…
The lead prosecutor overseeing the investigation into the Capitol riot backed away Friday from a suggestion in a court filing that participants in the takeover of Congress last week were seeking to take officials prisoner and potentially even execute them….
More…
Hmmmm?
This isn’t gonna work…
Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), an influential conservative and possible contender for the White House in 2024, says the Senate lacks constitutional authority to hold an impeachment trial for President Trump once he leaves office….
More…
What does Chuck Schumer say James.?
Searching the web to find stories that support your world view I see.
The point is to make them vote in favor of a traitor.
Keith?
You know exactly what you’re doing.
You announced immediately that Pelosi should not impeach even saying how she should retire because this will stymie Biden’s agenda (it won’t).
Now you are searching the web for bullshit opinion pieces that throw cold water on something you don’t agree with even though you aren’t changing any minds among the eight people who read this blog.
So to prove the woman wrong you invoke a comment from racist Tom Cotton who has already said he won’t vote to impeach. He’s no different than Hawley or Cruz and needs to go on the record.
Ok listen Keith….
Donald Trump SHOULD be impeached….
Donald Trump SHOULD be made BROKE after everyone gets thru with him…
If it can get past the American culture and history?
He SHOULD be convicted of conspiracy on the Capitol protest/assult…
He SHOULD be convicted to tax fraud…..
Keith?
SHOULD the country hold up Joe Biden’s ability to govern for fucking with Trump for a week of TWO ?
Should ALL the things Biden wants to do be put on HOLD?
Trump IS GONE in THREE days…
There is NO REASON even you and others are worked up to let Donald Trump run the Government past 12:01 Wednesday …
He should be put on the side and not forgotten….
But they incoming President should be FIRST since Biden/Harris will be working for entire 3030 Million of us and the rest of world….
I understand your anger…
But you need to see the the WHOLE PICTURE…
Joe Biden does…
Schumer is working to deal with the whole picture…
They are working AGAINST the reality of the media and those whole just see Donald Trump and little else ….
THINK ABOUT what I have said here…
It is about OUR FUTURE…
It should not wait….
Nor should Trump and even his family get off the hook….
What you have written makes absolutely no sense.
That’s ok Keith….
It’s my view and I’ve made the point several different ways and Biden & Co are well aware of the same things as they jockey to get started….
What James wrote makes sense to me.
Is that worthless waste of flesh, blood and a tiny brain worth more attention than cleaning up the mess he’s left and the wilful destruction that he’s wrought? Or beginning to address some very dire, very real and very immediate health, economic and human crises?
I’m not entirely sure of the answer, since Trump and future Trumps pose a real threat to democracy, liberty and the Republic.
Donald Trump needs to be beat down to the point that he CANNOT be the position to even think about running for ANY political office again …..
The Government on the Federal, State and Local level should be taking his money and shutting down any of his businesses that have not paid their due or illegally operating…
We should NOT be paying for his personal protection …
Nor should we be giving him office space or health ins for the rest of his life….or a pension….
Again….
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris ARE the FUTURE….
Trump & Co. IS the past……
That wasn’t what I was saying Dave, and I think you know that.
His comments make no sense given he had just spent his morning trying to dismiss any of the attempts to hold Trump and his Republican enablers accountable, because he “doesn’t think those efforts will work.” And heaven forbid we should try to do something if it is the right thing to do when we don’t have the expectations for success.
He doesn’t think Trump should be impeached he has made that very clear. I was responding to his manipulation of cherry picked stories that support his theory that Trump will just go away and things will go back to where they were in the good old days of Bush and the establishment Republicans.
He won’t go away and things won’t go back to that bullshit normal.
The NBC poll today says only 8% of the Republicans support impeachment. Does that sound like Trump is going away?
He, he, he…
Donald Trump HAS BEEN impeached TEWICE..
I ‘m GLAD…
I don’t give a shit how many GOPer’s support the indictment…
It’s history…
To CONVICT. Would need 17 Senate Republicans ti vote ‘Aye’….
Me?
Its about Joe Biden getting off the ground….
The vote to convict can wait….
One court filing Arizona James. This is one guy at the moment. A little early for your pro-Republican terrorist defense to kick in on a weekend.
Morning all….
THREE MORE DAYS‼️
Just playing around ,I have gone over the list of Republican Senators several times and ,at best, I can find only around ten or so whom I believe “may” vote to convict Trump.
And actually I’m being rather generous.
I am sure you are Jack, but fine with me. Let them vote in support of sedition.
This should be the big pardon weekend. Will we hear Republicans, especially Senators, be critical of a self pardon? Will he pardon the criminals who invaded the Capitol? Will he pardon his family?
What will the Republicans who will then, in turn, vote for acquit Trump in a Senate impeachment be silent on those pardons?
Actually ,as of now ,the only Republicans that I would say there is at least a 50% chance that they might vote to convict :
Romney
Collins
Murkowski
Sasse
Then you’ve got those like:
McConnell
Toomey
Thune
Portman
Burr.
Toomey and Burr are retiring at the end of their terms so they have little to lose.
McConnell says it’s a vote of “conscience “but how about his caucus?
Thune never liked Trump ,but I’m sure he sees himself as aMcConnell successor .How would the caucus react to a “convict” vote?
Portman is an old line establishment Republican type but how would a”convict” vote play among Ohio Republicans?
Mike Lee is one I think could surprise.
I’m not predicting Mike Lee will be a vote to convict here. Just saying he sometimes will be slightly out of lockstep with his party.
For the majority of Republicans ,the only way they would likely consider voting to convict would be if Republican support for Trump was collapsing.
That doesn’t appear to be happening.Slipping maybe, but certainly not declining to the level that the average Republican could feel safe electorally casting a “convict” vote ,in my view.
If Republican lawmakers like Boebert and her ilk were found to have had any role in planning the insurrection I could see GOP support for Trump collapsing to point where conviction would be likely. As Jack notes it is slipping. But for now they are just telling themselves the lie that it’s a few bad apples, making the false equivalency of BLM etc
So, Scott, are you saying that such a revelation now would have an effect roughly equivalent to that of releasing the additional Watergate tapes once the U.S. Supreme Court had upheld Congress’ subpoena in U.S. v Nixon?
The GOP seems split down the middle in the sense that at least a good half have swallowed the Lie (or Lies) and want Congressional Republicans to fight Biden to the last inch rather than seek areas of agreement.
See today’s YouGov CBSNews poll:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/americans-see-democracy-under-threat-e2-80-94-cbs-news-poll/ar-BB1cPEhe
I agree on the count….
Actually McConnell might be on the list…
Hard to see the number of GOPer’s reaching the 17 needed…
Sen.Rand Paul say that if Trump is convicted one third of present Republicans will leave the party.
Loews Hotel has canceled a February fundraiser for Sen Josh Hawley.
This is going to be a problem going forward for these Republicans like Hawley and Cruz. Finding businesses that want to associate with them.
Police, FBI seek help identifying suspect who attacked officer in viral video
D.C. Police and the FBI are asking the public for help identifying a man that attacked a Capitol police officer in a video of the Jan. 6 riot that went viral.
“During the insurrection at the United States Capitol, the suspect assaulted and used a clear police shield to pin MPD Officer Daniel Hodges in a door jam,” says a press release published Friday by the Metropolitan Police Department.
The viral video showed Hodges, 32, screaming in pain as he was simultaneously crushed in a doorway and beat by the crazed mob — including with his own baton. He later told reporters he thought he was going to die.
In an interview with the local D.C. NBC affiliate, Hodges said, “If it wasn’t my job, I would have done that for free. It was absolutely my pleasure to crush a white nationalist insurrection … we’ll do it as many times as it takes.”…
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/16/protests-dc-state-capitols-national-guard-updates/4184876001/
Video interview (3 min.)
Morning People….
It is pathetic that the GOP has still not had any hearings as of this late date on any of Biden’s cabinet nominees. This is an unprecedented delay according to my recollection of past presidential nominees.
Despite being criticized by the rest if us, There were people such as James who continued to argue that Biden would be able to work effectively with Republicans. Well, so far that has shown to not be the case. Note that this is not Biden’s fault; It is the fault of what the GOP has become. The GOP never thinks of the country’s interest first.
I agree with ur first…..
The second remains to be seen….
Biden may turn out to be very naive to think he can do the trick….
Yes….
Dana Shell Smith@AmbDana
Think about it. The Trumps will have lived in Washington DC for four years without ever once going to a local restaurant, shop, school, park or organization. It’s almost impossible to imagine that level of disconnect to other humans.
Why did you not show some courtesy and create a new entry instead of replying to an entry that had nothing to do with this topic.
Nobody here other than you would show this contempt to the other posters. You do this shit every day. It just makes conversations unnecessarily disjointed.
Zreebs,
You don’t understand the concept of “people can be more than one thing.”
See ,on one hand,James can be the soul of courtesy punctiliously observing proper protocol in his responses.
On the other hand,he can be oblivious to such niceties and do as he wishes and those who don’t like it be damned!
It’s all depending on what “thing” he is at any given point in time!
🤪
Biden is naive?? Wow.
So far?
I’m happy to NOT see a possible Jan. 17 armed domestic crazies action around the country like some thought would happen….
Jan 20 is the highest risk day for right wing terrorism.
Brady…….Tampa Bay…..
KC with out Mahomes in the end….
Proper….
Trump has lost some support since the election- even among some Republicans. As frequently discussed here, He still currently is the leader of the rudderless GOP.
Can Trump get the support he lost back? My best best is that he can, but probably not all of it.
I disagree Z….
The worst is yet to come in the Trump saga
Trump’s supporters will just say and often believe that he is being attacked unfairly.
That’s their right….
We KNOW better, Right?
Morning All…
48 Hours…..
What more can Trump fuckup before he leaves?
Dr Rochelle Walensky , the incoming CDC Director ,says US Covid deaths will reach Half a Million by the middle of Feb.
The ,what then seemed fantastical predictions of a million deaths ,that were bandied about in March of last year no longer seem so crazy.
And I will continue to repeat,until this virus is brought under control,nothing substantive will happen in Congress as far as Bidens declared initiatives
It’s in. the open thread Z…..
James, In this case, you should have replied to my comment instead of creating a new topic. I suspect you did it out of spite. Either that, or you just don’t understand what I am talking about.
It doesn’t make much sense to have a format where you can reply to other people’s comments if you just use the reply button for everything except when you genuinely replying to someone else’s comments.
Anyway, I am grateful to the other posters for almost always using the reply button appropriately. Not sure whether you are just disrespectful, stupid or a combination of the two. But this has been going on for years.
And don’t give us your “People can be more than one thing. One person comes from two. It’s that simple” explanation. Leave that discussion when you have your sit-down conversation with your son or grandson. God, help them especially.
Actually Z?
I get asked to ‘explain’ political stuff all the time and get thanked for it….
Must something wrong with a lot of other people besides U….
Hmmmmm?
I have no idea what that last comment had to do with the conversation.
Nobody on this site expects you to explain political stuff, and when we thank you, it is sometimes out of sarcasm. All of us sometimes think we understand things that we don’t. But You sometimes pretend to understand things that you aren’t even close to understanding.
Sometimes some one might NOT have ALL the Knowledge U have Z….
Sometimes U don’t understand either…..
Coming up on just 36 hours❗️
Morning All….
Less than 26 hours and Biden mentions in the media eclipse Trump now…
Biden admin confirmations will begin
Biden going to DC….
And things seem quiet….
Biden Immigration policy changes leading in some places…
He’s looking for a bill to offer citizenship in 8 years to some immigrants that Trump and Republican’s would not…
Rasmussen has Trump at a 51% approval rate ….
Just confirming how bad they are till the end…
Good Morning all as we wait for Trump to finally leave the White House for good and Joe Biden heads to church with Pelisi, McConnell and Schumer….
Trump now heading to Marine One
He HAS left the building…..
Hope the spray it good….
Marine One spoling up climbing out now….
Amen!
With him gone America can become a plabe away from the choas he left us and the workd in
It is joined by another Nighthawk white too chopper
Instead of doing a personal hand off?
He leaves Joe Biden on his own something rhat does NOT happen….
Till the end…
Donald Trump shows how small he is…
Marine One on the ground Joint Base Andrews
Trump will get his last licks in …
Not being about the Office of Presidency but JUST about hHIM…
Marine One lands to “Don’t Stop Believing” (apparently a rally where almost nobody has shown up), so it is ending just like the final scene in “The Sopranos.”
Fade to black.
The Marine One drivers are actually wearing masks….
Good for them…
He, he, he
Trumpgives himself a 21 gun salute from a mikitary he NEVER gave much resoect to…
This is like a 3rd class banana republic …
His people are of-course maskless…
The Bidens waiting until Trump got on the airplane to go to church
Air force one wheels up in route Florida
The Biden’s are now in church
Air Force One takes off on cue to Frank Sinatra’s “My Way” a song that clearly references “my share of losing.”
At least, the end is here. The final curtain.
The full soundtrack will be available at all Trump Org. locations
“Funeral For a Friend”
“Macho Macho Man”
“Fortunate Son”
“Billie Jean”
“Gloria”
“Don’t Stop Believin’”
“Y.M.C.A.”
“Tiny Dancer”
“My Way”
The Capitol begins to fill up with ‘invited’ guess’s…..
First ever 21 gun salute to “YMCA.”