For those of us who thought that the count would be over last night, me included?
We were wrong….
Here we are 24 hours after the voting started and we do NOT have a winner….
Donald Trump as is typical tried to say he is….
No One took the bait on that….
Most of the pundits, me included , had the final score sas Biden as around 320-335 Electoral votes…
That probably will not be….
Right now according to the NY Times….
Joe Biden is at 227 EV’;s…
Donald Trump is at 213 EV’s….
We are waiting for calls on the following states….
Wis, N.C., Ga, Mich., Nev, Ariz and Pa…..
It does seem that Joe Biden will pull this off….
But it will be tighter that everyone thought ….
We’ll see what Trump ends up doing…..
As of 6 a.m. Wednesday, eight states that will decide the next president remained uncalled, as did a handful of Senate races that will determine who controls the chamber.
The eight states are Alaska (3 electoral votes), Arizona (11), Georgia (16), Michigan (16), Nevada (6), North Carolina (15), Pennsylvania (20), Wisconsin (10) and Maine’s Second Congressional District (1).
Joseph R. Biden Jr. has 227 confirmed electoral votes and would need 43 more to win. President Trump has 213 confirmed electoral votes and would need 57 more to win.
Six Senate races were uncalled in five states: Alaska, Georgia, Maine, Michigan and North Carolina….
According to the NY Times interactive ….
Biden is leading in Wisconsin, Arizona and Nevada, and is favored to win Mich., and Pa…..
All of those together would give Joe Biden 280 EV’s….
Some states won’t be done until Thursday….
Donald Trump is already talking about lawyers….
…
The Washington Post has their numbers at ….
Biden …224
Trump…213
…
Democrats will NOT expand their House majority ….
The ‘Blue Wave’ of 2018 was nowhere to be found….
House Speaker Pelosi keeps her majority…
But it will be smaller….
Over in the Senate…..
Minority Leader Chuck Schumer will stay Minority leader….
Democrats where unable to reach past just 2 gains (Kelly and Hickenlopper) and the lost of Doug Jones in Alabama…
The sobering reality IS that virus and bad economy?
America has NOT turned to the left….
The spectical of Donald Trump may not resume in the White House…
But the ‘Big Tent’ Democratic Party CANNOT afford to follow the Progressives….
America on many level’s REMAINS a center RIGHT country……
And the pollsters may be close in the end in general….
But there was NO ‘Blue Wave’….
And Susan Collins looks like a winner…..
Yeah I was wrong about Collins. I can admit it. Between many of the endangered GOP Senators holding on in (except for in AZ and CO and possibly in GA in a runoff) and House Republicans doing better in suburban districts that were turning against Trump voters may have wanted a check on a Biden administration.
Overall there are fewer ticket splitters than in the past but sometimes situations can bring those types of voters out
Biden and Pelosi need to tell the AOC troops to STFU…..
And ALL that damn money Biden collected helped him…..
But the virus no crowds switch to crowds in the end was the right thing…Even if they where in their cars…
Democrats gonna have to figure their shit out…
Biden will probably win on who he is…
But the party itself has to find the voters out there…
And the reality is a bit less what the party is selling….
Bless the early vote….
So much for Texas and Florida, eh?
So much for Cuban American’s and Democrats who have to stop thinking of immigration as something Hispanics /Latino’s are against.,,
Seem’s like a lot of them once here are against those trying to get here illegally?
Really?
Biden and company gonna have to watch their step….
We don’t want a 2010 rerun come 2022….
Lots of dust to settle and lots of votes to be counted before we know the entire picture in *all* races.
There can be much said then, but it appears clear that this is still a very divided country and both parties have massive problems in large of the country.
james, the list on the right of “recent stories” or whatever it was called has disappeared. Is there a way to get it back?
As I was typing, Biden just took the lead in Michigan.
If nothing changes now, he has the Presidency perhaps with exactly 270. Ain’t that a kick in the something?
(might be tough without the Senate though… Mitch McConnell somehow gets the last laugh out all of this? Time will tell)
He’s gonna win….
But it’s gonna be sloppy….
Nate Cohn
Biden has taken the lead in Michigan, according to the AP
Along with AZ, and WI, he now leads in states worth 270 electoral votes–the number needed to win
Always better to win ugly than lose pretty.
Biden had strengths as a candidate that will have caused him to win as well as weaknesses that cost him from a more solid win
Ultimately, this was a referendum on Trump.
It looks like downballot Republicans tended to do better than expected. Their GOTV methods are more effective, although during a pandemic, this was perhaps an oddity with Democrats doing no door knocking, etc, and Republicans still doing it.
As it relates specifically to Florida and a decrease for Democrats in Miami-Dade, costing them a chance for a solid win and a lot more fun last night… do not underestimate how much the party moving to the left and at least being effective tied to socialism hurt those who came from Cuba and Venezuela.
Biden never really tried there ..
We thought the senior vote would cancel the Cuban/American vote…
It did not…
the socialist labeling of Biden worked there…
Dem’s need to work on that group…
Again….
Biden wins with 280 looks about right
Biden takes the lead in Wisconsin now…
Again…
He’s gonna win this..
Amen….
Political Polls
Biden leads in
WI +0.6 (with 97% estimated in)
MI +0.2 (with 90%)
NV +0.6 (with 86%)
(AZ +3 (With >98%)
NYT
Boston Globe
Former vice president Joe Biden now has received more votes than Barack Obama did in 2008, breaking the record for most votes ever received by a US presidential candidate, according to the AP.
I’m confident Biden will be the 46th President of the United States come January 20,2021. It is closer than I wanted or expected, but a win is a win.
I also expect Trump to run again in 2024.
How confident are you on your Susan Collins is a goner guarantee?
Trump is not going to run in 2024. Even Traficant couldn’t do that from behind bars.
Collins will not be up till 2026
She was up last night and is up in the vote with more than 50 percent still.
We will see what happens, but Scott (after predicting her Thanksgiving retirement announcement) has been saying she was certain to lose for months.
Even I had that race as Leans D because of the undemocratic ranked choice lunacy in Maine, but she has clearly done better than anticipated and is going to win at least a plurality of the vote.
If she loses due to ranked choice, I will have a correct prediction, but it would be pretty unfair under the standard of “the person with the most votes should win.”
There’s still a lot of dust to be settled and maybe Democrats will have won more down ballot races when all is said and done than appears to be the case now..
However, the way this looks is shaping up to be pretty close to an ideal situation for me personally
-Trump will have been ousted. That’s first and foremost
– there are signs from the electorate that they want some serious guardrails on the country moving too far to the left. We are divided and still mostly center-right than a country “headed fast towards socialism.”
As an avid anti-Trump Republican I had a desire to see his lackeys punished and to go down with him, but the aftermath of that would produce a different kind of result that I think would be bad for the country.
One thing is for sure, if Republicans keep the Senate, SCOTUS Court Packing is not going to happen. The Senate Republican gambit of approving ACB will have proven to be a move worth doing (yet still hypocritical) and ideologically at least that will make me happy.
Damn REAL on we’ll take the’W’
I do NOT expect Donald to enter politics again ….
Once is enough zzzz
Of course Kamala Harris would love nothing more than to face Trump in 2024.
Political Polls
BREAKING: Wisconsin Elections Commission Administrator says “All of the ballots have been counted.” Joe Biden has won Wisconsin by 20,697 votes.
@NBCNews
… waiting for the White House to call on the Democrat governor of Wisconsin to count all the uncounted fraudulent;y genuine votes for Trump/Pence (cf. Arizona)
To the best of my knowledge, not a single elected Republican official or candidate has voiced support for Trump on the “this is corrupt, stop the counting at once” claim. Several have directly said that should not happen and is not going to happen.
Even Mike Pence, directly after Trump spoke, pretty much said something very different at 2:30 am in the White House. Trump should probably be furious at Pence.
Trump is going to take this defeat though just as can be expected.. horribly.
The way things stand now, and maybe they could change, Republicans look poised to *gain* seats in the House. Nobody saw that coming. I predicted a 9 seat loss for them and I thought that was being conservative. My U.S. House prediction tally is going to take a major hit.
Offhand, i do not think a single House Republican incumbent has lost, while several incumbents Dems have lost (including jack’s Congressman.)
The thought has occurred to me after these apparent results, that if one wanted to write a book about it, it might be entitled.
“John McCain’s Revenge”
If nothing changes with outstanding votes, Chicagoland will have sent the infamous Jim Oberweis to Congress.
I think it’s going to change.
It should not be forgotten that FOX NEWS was the first and has up until very recently remained the ONLY outlet to call Arizona for Biden. Republicans immediately pushed back against Fox News, and they forcefully defended their call on the air.
All of last night and up thru now, FOX NEWS has shown Biden with the most Electoral Votes.
Fair, balanced, and unafraid indeed, perhaps.
The Associated Press called Arizona for Biden early this morning.
Thanks Z
Some more thoughts
– Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren might have gotten beat badly, even amid what we are living with today
– Perhaps Biden should have picked Val Demings after all
– If Senate Democrats fall one seat short, they can blame Cal Cunningham’s member.
Those two would have had Trump winning…
To my surprise, the Progressive Income Tax has gone down to defeat in Illinois. This was a big thing here and JB Pritzker spent millions of dollars trying to get it passed, only to see a big defeat.
Some guy on Twitter named Will Roscoe gets a good line to sum it up.
“It ends not with a bang but a WI/MI/PA”
TPM
Biden’s Lead In Michigan Grows To More Than 30K
talkingpointsmemo
Alternate title:
“As America Slept, “Sleepy Joe” Got His Win”
Breaking
Trump campaign asking for Wisc RECOUNT….
Very few recounts occur
But 20k lead is NOT gonna change
There may not actually do it….
See how much you can achieve by hiding in your basement ?
Quarantine 4 all !! … i hope not.
He came out of the basement aand will get A ‘W’…….
Last night, Trump demanded that all counting be stopped. Today, he is asking for a recount.
Life comes at you fast…
Sarah Gideon has conceded to Susan Collins in Maine.
I cannot remember the last time I got a Senate race wrong that I did not at least call a “Tossup.” I am holding Scott and his futile obsession of getting rid of Susan Collins personally responsible for this blemish on my record.
And it looks like Trump Tweeting insults about Susan Collins might have made the difference in this race.
Looks like Joe Biden didn’t have political coattails
Gideon Concedes Maine Senate Race
Sen. Susan Collins said her Democratic opponent, Sara Gideon, called her to concede in the Maine Senate race, Politico reports.
Motto of this was others could have knocked Trump louder and gotten away with it like Collins, Romney and Sasse….As long as u voted with the party
Ron G.’s Tweet is very apt
https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/1324055952006410240
As Americans, we can all be thankful to Joe Biden for helping us get rid of Donald Trump, but now he has to govern, and he better approach this job in a pragmatic way. This is not 2008 and he has no mandate beyond thankfully not being Donald Trump.
Amen!
In case there is any confusion, the portion below the link are my thoughts.
This is what Ron G. said
“Biden likely winning while Dems perform weakly (even losing ground) in US House, US Sen, and state leg races seems to be voter rejection – generally – of progressive wing of party that many candidates embraced. Biden seemed okay, as he put ground between himself and progressives.”
Looks like Biden up over Trump by 3 Million 3 hundred Thousand in the popular vote right now….
Can you re-add the section on the right of the site that shows the recent posts?
Above the “recent comments”
Done….
My mistake in getting rid of days to election…
Thanks….
NY Times Electoral Votes …
Biden 237
Trump 214
yay! it worked. The new era is off to a successful start
He, he, he…..
No protests around the country, eh?
No need for the military or fed’s?
CNN calls Wisconsin for Biden….
I AGREE with Ron G. on the progressives and have said so here several times…..
Biden is in without Pa…..
Well, even if Joe doesn’t have Pa, he’s certainly loved by Ma.
… and also by a large part of Me.
Trump acolytes are left wondering Wy Oh Wy
New countdown:
1 day[s] or 0 weeks & 1 day[s] since GENERAL ELECTION on Tuesday, November 3
40 day[s] or 5 weeks & 5 day[s] since Electoral College casts votes on Monday, December 14
63 day[s] or 9 weeks & 0 day[s] since Congress counts Electoral votes on Wednesday, January 6
77 day[s] or 11 weeks & 0 day[s] since INAUGURATION DAY on Wednesday, January 20, 2021
Countdown to January 21, 2023, when Kamala Harris can be sworn in as President and legally seek two reelections?
Let me request unanimous consent to revise and correct that:
1 day[s] or 0 weeks & 1 day[s] since GENERAL ELECTION on Tuesday, November 3
40 day[s] or 5 weeks & 5 day[s] until Electoral College casts votes on Monday, December 14
63 day[s] or 9 weeks & 0 day[s] until Congress counts Electoral votes on Wednesday, January 6
77 day[s] or 11 weeks & 0 day[s] until INAUGURATION DAY on Wednesday, January 20, 2021
ok DSD
I’ll put the sidebar back tonight…
AP calls Wisconsin for Biden…
Trump is running out of avenues to justify his fantasy ‘win’….
Joe Biden has this…
Is this serious?
Rudy Guiliani is heading to Pa.to help direct Trumps legal battle to keep votes from being counted?
But what about Hunter Biden?
So why does Trump want to stop the vote counting in Michigan?
His only hope is to keep the votes counting .
Trumps lead in Pa. is down to 332000 ,about half of what it was this morning ,with over a million votes yet to count.
He HAS lost the election….
No judge in his right mind wil stop the ballot counting and have their decision overturned….
This is typical Trump BS denial…
Bidens lead in Michigan is at 61000 with less that that number yet to count.
A recount is useless and would cost…
CNN has called Michigan. For the first time, someone other than Fox News has Biden with the highest number of Electoral Votes. They now have Biden at 253.
Trump lackeys are still insisting that Trump is going to win Arizona and have bizarre conspiracy theories about theft in Michigan because there was temporarily a typo on some county’s website showing Biden received too many votes. The typo was corrected but the myth persists.
My goodness, they have teamed up Eric Trump and Rudy Giuliani.
The Circus has just begun.
As Rudy rants at a mic as covered by Fox, the network gives Michigan to Biden putting him at 264 EV.
Tomorrow, Nevada will finalize its counting, and assuming it stays as expected, Biden should declare victory in Prime Time on Thursday evening.
Two more or Pa gets him an AP call for the election…
We know he won….
If not for Biden’s second debate answers about fracking and the oil business, this probably would have been over at least 12 hours ago.
NY Times
Electoral Votes
Biden 253
Trump. 214
Ariz has 11 EV’s
Pa has 20 EV’s
Ga has 16 EV’s
Nev has 6 EV’s
Ariz HAS been called for Biden in some places
538 agrees with NYTimes count
I believe John James is still running ahead of Trump but may be behind now as well.
Biden will probably win Pennsylvania and possibly Georgia, but if it came out to 270-268 with the difference in the entire election being Omaha, Nebraska it would have to be the most painful way possible of losing the election.
The GOP Congressman in Omaha, who was thought to be in a Tossup, won with some votes to spare too.
Biden could finish with a cushion that wouldn’t need Pa…..
But it does appear he’ll take Pa also….
Again?
Trump is running out of options
Tomorrow should see a Biden win call i’s think
U can see Trump & Co pulling at straws
And Fox throwing down on them to greet a incoming Biden admin, eh?
Trump has NO friends…
Political Polls
With @FoxNews giving for Biden 264 EV, Biden needs to win just one of the following states: NV, PA, GA or NC to be declared the winner
Without PA, there is no cushion.
PA would be the “cushion.”
Nev or Ga?
Nevada gets you to exactly 270 without PA. I think Biden has won NV
( I was correct months ago when I said it would be perhaps the only state that Trump lost last time and improved on this time.. much that has to do with people who work in the hospitality industry being desperate to see re-opening)
PA looks more likely than GA, but as I said, both are possible.
Trump IS toast if this is right…
Pennsylvania Democrats See Biden Ahead
Pennsylvania Democratic officials are privately telling Biden campaign officials that they believe final margin of victory for Biden in Pennsylvania will be 100,000 to 200,000 votes when the counting of ballots is finally finished, Politico reports.
Cheesesteak on toast?
Vox
Trump: Stop counting the #Election2020 votes!
Pennsylvania’s AG @JoshShapiroPA: Nope.
Shapiro might be another focus on the AltRight sites.
They are literally seeing the Jews Replace their guy!
I gotta admit it’s kinda fun for me to masquerade as a “Democrat” this week and get to cheer late vote dumps from big urban cities.
Once this is officially over, it might be back to reality.
james, what is going on in Long Island? Tom Suozzi is still losing.
Three Dem incumbents may fall in New York
ok…..
If Nevada posts it’s numbers in the morning ?
AP call for the race shortly after?
Or?
Biden 1 short @ 269?
does Biden get Neb 2nd for 270?
He already has the one vote from Nebraska
NV would make it exactly 270 without PA or anything else.
in the 3rd NY CD
Dem Suozzi is behind by about 1,400 votes
But there are a reported 72K + mail-in ballots to be counted….
Nassau/Suffolk NY counties voted FOR Biden 50/48….
That would explain a lot then if there are races when the mail in has yet to be counted and is not even included in the 99 percent reporting, etc.
That is why there is so much consternation with the Trump folks about various states and why they are harping that Illinois looks as “close” as it is. A ton of votes are simply not counted yet and those are going to skew heavily Democrat.
CG?
People were told this very thing would happen…
Trump would look strong election night and the next day early votes would bring things back to Joe Biden….
Some of the pollsters may come out looking a bit better after all?
Thanks…..
BREAKING NEWS-
Kayne West has conceded.
He is officially an (Electoral) College Droput
(only Scott will possibly understand this post… possibly)
In related news, a surgically enhanced socialite “model” with a past history of having posed nude will not be the First Lady of the United States.
Oh, and neither will Kim Kardashian
You inspired me to put on Graduation now. Man I miss when Kanye was just a talented jerk, instead of an obviously mentally ill jerk.
never cared for his music myself
Gonna be recriminations among Democrats for the short falls in House and Senate races…
Again….
America IS CALM…..
And most of us gonna be REAL FUCKING HAPPY‼️😁
Anybody know what the final Senate back down numbers look like?
possibly 50/50 ????🤔
The only Dem gains i know are Kelly and Hickenlopper?
The New York Times says at this moment:
(53) 48 Republican (+Alabama, Jones)
(45+2) 47 Democratic (+Ariz, McSally & Colo., Gardner)
5 still to be decided
both Georgia (Perdue & Loeffler, R)
Gary Peters (D-Mich)
Tom Tillis (R-NC)
Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska)
from which we may deduce:
(47) 47-52 Democratic (& ind.) range
(53) 48-53 Republican range
i.e. anything from no net change to +5 (and abs. majority) Dem.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-senate.html
Likely a net gain of one for the Democrats and 52-48. Not at all what they were hoping for.
Even if both GA races go to runoff, it will be harder for a Democrat to win there, as long as Trump is gone and the concept of a Senate check and balance is at play. It will be competitive, but will probably favor Republicans.
Now, what might go down in Georgia tonight at the Presidential level is an entirely different thing.
Senator Elizabeth Warren isn’t gonna get a Biden Admin job….
Will Mass Governor Charlie Baker?
Whomever is Governor of Massachusetts always wants to get out somehow.
Huh????
If Joe Biden was to sweep the remaking states ?
My prediction of 320 EV’s for him would correct!
Arnon Mishkin, the Director of the Fox News Decision Desk (they were far ahead of anyone and still mostly are in having called Arizona) has to be a huge topic today on AltRight websites.
I’m guessing the end EV count for Biden/Harris will be between 290 and 306.
Would be great if it were the exact same number Trump got in the win that he bragged about so much the last four years. Of course for Biden it’s coupled with what is likely to be a 4-5 point popular vote margin when all votes come in.
Should Trump lose the Electoral College, I wonder how many Republican Electors will cast their inhibitions aside and cast symbolic ballots for (say) Mitt Romney or John Kasich?
Trump should hear AP declare Joe Biden in less than 24 hours…
It just occurred to me that it has been 16 years since I have been happy/relieved the day after a Presidential election!
Very few Americans can claim to have had as long of a wait. This must have been how some people felt in 1992.
Then I remember that a Democrat is going to be President and …….oh well
Gonna have to live with ole’ Joe for a while…
Glad ur happy…..
Actually i was loose and happy yesterday and today….
Glad the big guy is having his reign ended…
Now, Corey, you know how I felt after going through all the 1980’s (and volunteering for Carter/Mondale, Mondale/Ferraro and Dukakis/Bentsen). 1992 minus 1976 = 16.
… and that followed after 12 dark Nixonian years between LBJ in 1964 & Carter in 1976.
The Democrats won the popular vote exactly once in 28 years between 1964 and 1992.
The Republicans won the popular vote exactly once in 32 years between 1988 and 2020.
That, of course, is why both parties have joined the Whigs and Federalists in disappearing from the political map. {And in their fatal 28-year drought from 1828 to 1856, the Whigs won not just once but twice.)
Come to think of it, 2004 broke another 16 year streak. The day after 2000 was a confusing one.
Looking at that map again, I see the quirks in Senatorial cycles mean that only one of the four most populous states (Texas) even had a Senatorial election this year. California, Florida and New York did not.
Such quirks, Trump’s failure to win a popular majority in 2016, and the inherent disproportionality of the Senate & Electoral College make a mockery of Mitch McConnell’s and Ted Cruz’s claim that somehow the American people gave the GOP some kind of mandate to confirm as many Supreme Court Justices as possible within a single preisdential term, while denying such a mandate to Barack Obama.
Let me amend that observation:
There was only Senatorial election in the five (not
four) most-populous states: Calif., Texas, New York, Florida and Pennsylvania.Trump supporters on the HHR comment section, after finally coming to terms with his loss, are saying goodbye to the site, and basically goodbye to America.
They are “checking out.” America is over for them.
No Shit?😱
Political Polls Retweeted
Taniel
@Taniel
What we know, 11:30pm 11/4:
Biden needs 17 EVs out of NV, AZ, GA, PA, (NC).
—NV: up 6K: more tmrw.
—AZ: up 80K. Trump probably needs more than he got today in Maricopa to offset Pima/Cococino.
—GA: down 32K. ≈87K mail left. Shld be tight.
—PA: down 170K. A lot of mail left.