The US Supreme Court comes down on the side that an American President HAS to deal with inquiries from state prosecutor ‘s on his taxes and financial information….Trump’s argument that he has blanket immunity against ANYTHING while office is thrown out…We saw that gone with Bill Clinton’s civil cases…
The Court sent the Manhattan DA’s case back to lower Federal court’s…
Manhattan DA Vance’s office will get info….
But the lower court will have to meet certain standards…
Trump’s lawyers will challenge this….
It WILL go on for a few months….
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On the the request by the House to see Donald Trump’s tax’s and financial information the same ruling…
The House should get info….
President’s do NOT have absolute IMMUNITY from inquiries from Congress…
The case goes back to a lower court….
The high court says Trump’s argument does NOT stand….
Some Information MUST be turned over…
But the District court should narrow the requests…
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The bottom line ?
Donald Trump LOSES his argument that his, or any President’s taxes are private….
But?
He WINS his effort to keep his tax and financal info from Congress, a state prosecutor or the American public BEFORE the 2020 Presidential election…
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The rulings in both cases was 7-2….
Trump’s judges voted against the Trump trying to get overall immunity from scrutiny….
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While Donald Trump gets his delay?
He now has to worry about what will be awaiting him AFTER the election when he could be a private citizen and a NY Grand Jury could in fact indict him….
The Supreme Court ruled Thursday cleared the way for prosecutors in New York to see President Trump’s financial records, a stunning defeat for Mr. Trump but a decision that probably means the records will be shielded from public scrutiny until after the election, perhaps indefinitely.
In a separate decision, the court ruled that Congress could not, at least for now, see the same records. The vote in both cases was 7 to 2.
Mr. Trump had asked the court to block both sets of subpoenas, which had sought information from Mr. Trump’s accountants and bankers, not from Mr. Trump himself; the firms have indicated that they would comply with the court’s ruling.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers had argued that he was immune from all criminal proceedings and investigations so long as he remained in office and that Congress was powerless to obtain his records because it had no legislative need for them.
House Democrats and New York prosecutors said the records may shed light on Mr. Trump’s foreign entanglements, possible conflicts of interest, whether he has paid his taxes and whether his hush money payments violated campaign finance laws.
The court’s decision was a major statement on the scope and limits of presidential power, one that will take its place with landmark rulings that required President Richard M. Nixon to turn over tapes of Oval Office conversations and forced President Bill Clinton to provide evidence in a sexual harassment suit.
One of the cases concerned a subpoena to Mr. Trump’s accounting firm, Mazars USA, from the office of the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., a Democrat. It sought eight years of business and personal tax records in connection with an investigation of the role that Mr. Trump and the Trump Organization played in hush-money payments made in the run-up to the 2016 election.
Both Mr. Trump and his company reimbursed the president’s former lawyer and fixer, Michael D. Cohen, for payments made to the pornographic film actress Stormy Daniels, who claimed that she had an affair with Mr. Trump.
Mr. Cohen was also involved in payments to Karen McDougal, a Playboy model who had also claimed she had a relationship with Mr. Trump. The president has denied the relationships.
“We note that the past six presidents, dating back to President Carter, all voluntarily released their tax returns to the public,” Judge Katzmann wrote. “While we do not place dispositive weight on this fact, it reinforces our conclusion that the disclosure of personal financial information, standing alone, is unlikely to impair the president in performing the duties of his office.”
Mr. Trump’s lawyers argued that he was immune from all criminal proceedings and investigations so long as he remained in office…..
image…Doug Mills/The New York Times
Yup….
But?
He loses the argument that a President has complete immunity from injuries from Congress and state attorneys….
He is NOW gonna be worried that a NYC DA COULD hand up a grand jury indictment against him as a PRIVATE citizen…
If he was to get re-elected?
The House could go back to another impeachment …
The story on this IS?
Donald Trump IS gonna be looking back at DA Vance’s action….
THAT IS the most important legal liability for the guy…
Roberts did get a strong vote against unlimited Presidential power….
Congress did try an impeachment and failed….
They now have the right to get President’s financial info…
Trump has actually given the country rules for President’s above the DOJ’s
If Trump loses in November?
Congress May rapidly lose their appetite for pursuing this anymore.
Trumps big problem seems to me to be the New York DA.
The likelihood now is that the records will end up in the public domain at some point,likely next year.If Trump is defeated ,I would imagine that political junkies will have field day with them, many people will probably have lost interest .
However ,if Trump or his clan are still trying to take an active part in Republican politics ,then the contents thereof would certainly be of significance.
Obviously,the way he’s fighting this, certainly indicates there is something in those returns that he regards as deleterious to him politically.
If there was a chance of Trump dropping out it likely evaporated with this ruling.
Holding on to the Presidency is the only way his taxes aren’t examined next year no?
I disagree,…
The House WILL get some info….
Not everything they wanted….
The DA IS a issue for Trump…
He COULD get indicted PERIOD.…
In a state court….
Basically this will all be fought over in the lower courts.
As I stated earlier,his main problem is with the New York DA who is ,in effect ,investigating a potential criminal prosecution.
Now, obviously if Trump wins re-election as President that could throw a huge monkey wrench into that.So,your point is correct to the extent that if he retained the presidency then the DA might be stymied.
As for Congress,they too are going to have to fight this out in the lower courts.As I stated ,if Trump is no longer President,their investigation will likely end.If he were re-elected and the Democrats retain the House,I presume it would continue.However, their fight to get the documents could take awhile to what results is unknown.
Of course if the DA gets the returns and they are later made public?The Congressional bid to get them would become moot .
I agree with ya Jack…
Also, I’m not that surprised at the votes of Roberts, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.
Indeed in many ways this could be labeled a “conservative” opinion ,at least legally.
Conservative jurists have often taken the position that, in investigating criminal activity,prosecutors should be granted broad authority .Although this sometimes conflicts with a concomitant belief in expanding individual rights .It has been a usual stance of many conservatives,thus their emphasis on “law and order.”
And remember the conservative Justices in the seventies and their rulings against Nixon in the Watergate cases.
Accordingly, the “no man ,even a president, is above the law “ mantra is “conservative.”
Trump’s lawyers did what their client wanted…
But?
They HAD to KNOW Trump was gonna be loser on the immunity dream…
Especially with the Clinton case…
Trump is reacting to these rulings like a stuck pig.
It either means that he thinks he can rally his base to the polls by this, but it seems doubtful he is going to get the support of anyone who is not already for him on these matters.
Instead it seems like he knows he has a lot to worry about legally if these tax documents ever come to light.
And kudos of course to Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.
10 bucls says Trump is asking if he can fire SC juatices
You don’t have any takers on that Bet Scott…cause he definitely asked that question a thousands times today to Bill Barr…
This IS where I think Donald Trump IS worried …..THIS IS A CRIMINAL CASE
Donald Trump will get a chance next week to try new arguments against Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance’s subpoena of his tax returns and other financial records after the U.S. Supreme Court rejected the president’s claim of immunity in the matter.
The high court on Thursday said presidents do not have broad protections against state criminal investigations. The case was sent back to U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero in Manhattan, who set a July 16 hearing date….
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Again?
He’s GOTTA be scared on NYC DA Vance and his Grand Jury….
I case ya missed it?
The Fed judge that got the NYC DA Trump tax data/info case back fro the Supreme’s will entertain new arguments this coming Wed….
He COUKD have Trump’s stuff going over to the DA MUCH FASTER then everyone thinks…
Hmmmm?
This IS gonna be Trump ‘s worry before and after election day …
This stuff is about a criminal grand jury case possibly against Trump…