For the last 3 1/2 years Donald J. Trump, a New York Real Estate guy from Queens, NY has bluffed his way thru an American Presidency….
If you check his history?
He is NO different then he HAS been back in the day….
But?
Things have changed….
We NOW KNOW who he IS….
No longer a perception marketed to the masses…
We KNOW about a narcasitic, inept, vindictive and lying person living in the American White House…
We KNOW about his failure to help his fellow country men, woman and children deal with a virus pandemic ….
We KNOW about the actions to cover up his and others criminal activities….
But most worrisome for Republicans themselves?
We KNOW about a man who seems to work HARD at narrowing his chances of getting vote on November 3rd to keep his job for another 4 years….
And THAT could cost other Republicans THEIR jobs and influence…
Most are scared to show disloyalty to Trump , who has Republican voters supporting him even with his above traits…
What is Republican lawmakers (And staff members) to do?
In Trump’s orbit and Republican circles, there is growing unease and even panic over Trump’s conduct as allies fret that the president, who lags behind presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden in both public and private polling, is free-falling into a political abyss.
Republicans have long accustomed themselves to the mayhem that seems to accompany Trump everywhere, like a personal tornado cloud. They are not deserting him, and they acknowledge that supporting the president means at least tacitly condoning his more incendiary comments and actions.
But even stalwarts are bewildered by what many view as his self-sabotaging actions, worried not only that he may lose in November but also that he will drag the rest of the party down with him.
“The whole world has changed in the past six months, and I don’t know if the president has caught up,” said Amy Koch, a Republican and former majority leader of the Minnesota Senate. “His messaging is landing on deaf ears. He just doesn’t seem to fully understand what people are talking about or worrying about.”
The Trump administration so far has no clear national plan to combat the coronavirus pandemic, which has killed more than 135,000 in the United States. The president has continued to defend the Confederate flag — a symbol of slavery and racism to many Americans — and, in the wake of national protests over the death of an unarmed black man in police custody in Minneapolis, played an actively divisive role, trafficking in racist and other offensive statements.
In the past week alone, Trump commuted the prison sentence of Roger Stone, a 2016 campaign adviser and longtime confidant who was to serve more than three years in federal prison for seven felonies; held a rambling and partisan news conference in the Rose Garden; and joined in criticism of Anthony S. Fauci, the popular infectious-disease director helping the administration with its coronavirus response.
Charlie Dent, a Republican former member of Congress from Pennsylvania, said Trump is out of step with members of his own party, especially those in tough reelection fights.
“Most members in swing districts understand that they need to expand on their base, and you would think that this president, who won his election by 80,000 votes [in key swing states], would be of the same mentality but he’s not, and that’s’ where the conflict is,” said Dent, now a CNN contributor. “There’s a total disconnect there between the president and those members in swing districts who need the president to be more measured and balanced — and, of course, he’s totally incapable of that.”
Replacing the campaign manager, Dent continued, is hardly what most Republicans care about….
image…Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post
What else can they Do?
They’re going to keep supporting him of course.
Oh every once in awhile they will indicate some mild disapproval of him(which seems to drive you into claiming that this surely indicates they are “turning “ on Trump.It doesnt) but then they will quickly reiterate their support.
Frankly,Who gives a damn about Republicans.
They made this bed,go lay in it.
Thoughts and prayers
This will teach them to go with a high functioning sociopath next time. And there are quite a few to choose from in the Republican party and Fox news.
Interesting poll of Republicans from NBC News/Wall Street Journal
53% of Republican voters say they consider themselves more supporters of Trump than the party.
39% say they are more supporters of the party than Trump.
For anyone who thinks Trump will be quickly forgotten in the GOP if he loses in 4 months, think again.
Just a confirmation of them being lemmings…..
I STILL say Trump off stage will be much more of a entertainment show then political power with out the Presidency and Barr of course….
Ah Jack?
What is this guy talking about in the 70’s
Harry Enten
Actually amazing how consistent the polling is on Trump’s approval on Covid dropping a. into the 30s and b. into the 70s with Republicans. Given its import, this spell bad news for him heading into the election.
What’s this have to do with anything we are talking about?
Another example of your well known attempts(Always futile) to obfuscate the topic at hand.
Once Trump loses, assuming he does, there will be lots of people “backing” him now, who will deny they ever did or make up some other lame excuse.
Trump leaving the political scene will be an unfortunate development for tribalist Democrats but a good thing for the country.
Yeah all those Trump supporters will all of sudden be cheering Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush again.
It’s just as likely that Trump will blame his defeat ,if he is defeated, on the Republican Party being insufficiently supportive of him setting off a major conflagration within the party .
Too bad for you Republicans.
They will be cheering someone else. Time will tell as to whom. Maybe it will be someone even worse than Trump. Odds are that will be impossible though.
As long as there are libruls (and you guys are not going to stop moving further left apparently), they will find a port to dock in.
Good that’s what I don’t them to do.
Too bad for you though.
When you return to the loyal opposition where you said you were going immediately after a Biden victory?
They will likely tell you to go straight to Hell.
And I’ll tell them not until Donald Trump is comfortably settled there.
Home Run Jack on the ‘Donald’ crying and blaming EVERYONE ELSE because he deep sixed a second term to save America….
FYI the topic at hand is that over half of those who identify themselves as Republicans are saying in this poll that they support Trump more than the Republican Party.
I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp ,due to the fact that it doesn’t conform with your preconceived notion that Republicans “really “ dont support Trump ,but please try so you can attempt to follow the topic under discussion .
Yeah, the only surprising thing there is how low that number is.
Those “53%” support him now and when he is gone they will support someone else. Many of them, as said, will deny they ever supported him.
Regular people aren’t on a political blog remembering what another person said 12 years ago, etc.
And frankly, most of those 53% tend to be fairly old already.
Nice attempt to downplay this bad news for “you guys.”
Hell half your party Dont give a damn about it.They view it only as an instrument of their cult leader.
For “normal people” the party is always the instrument.
This is why the 53% only for Trump is an historically low number.
And no, before you get it twisted intentionally, I am not suggesting that “only 53%” of Republicans will vote for Trump.
No I expect Trump to get close to 90% of self described Republicans.
CG seems to think that of Trump loses they will all just become regular Republicans instead of staying Trump Republicans. Maybe they willmaybe they won’t
The way things are looking now, minus a major shift in campaign dynamics, the number may be close to 80…. which historically would be terrible.
Many of the former regular Republicans will revert to being regular Republicans while the crazy ones will still be crazy ones. I’ve been for the “Civil War” for a long time within the party and I still want that to happen.
Neither party has a monopoly on crazy of course.
Face it most of your party Dont give adamn about it.
They are nothing but walking zombies fir Dear Leader Trump .
Hell they could be in the Shmugadoogle Party.
The “crazy” ones now constitute the majority of your party.
and when Trump is gone, they move on. That’s how human dynamics works.
You will still be free to hate the post-Trump Republican Party as an institution up until the very end, just as you have always done way before pre-Trump. Nothing inherently wrong with that.
I think the crazy ones run both major parties these days. At least I won’t have to suffer through normal conventions this summer I guess to the extent I otherwise would have subjected myself to.
You want that Civil War?
I would be careful what I wish for.
Your guys might lose, then what are you going to do?
I’ll figure it out after that, but it’s not going to be a party “worth having” unless the right people prevail, so we might as well have it.
Why would Republicans stop following Trump because he lost an election?
They still think he’s a “brilliant” businessman despite 6 bankruptcies.
He will have lost and perhaps bigly.
They may be dumb but they aren’t stupid. Many will ask why and how it could have been prevented and find the answers reasonably obvious.
And nonetheless, someone else always comes along as the vehicle. This is not complicated.
Don Jr.?
Eric?
Jared?
Mark Meadows?
Tom Cotton?
Lots of choices!
The ? was for CG…
Maybe. Or maybe Trump will claim he lost because he was “too good” for politics and he will encourage all of his followers to drop out of the process as well.
If that happens you may have “won” the Civil War of a greatly diminished party.
Yes lots of “speculation “ going on here.
What is known is that Trump is the undisputed face of the Republican Party, that most Republicans view him as more important than the party and will continue to enthusiastically support him in November.
After that ?
He’s either re-elected in which case the last vestiges of what used to be the Republican Party fades into history or he loses and then?
Well therein lies the next story.
The only one of those names with remotely a chance of a future in national politics is Cotton.
While he is in every conceivable way a more impressive person than Trump (not that I agree with the direction he might want to take the party) he is also severely lacking in charisma, which would be a problem for him,
His niece Mary Trump who has sold a lot of books is saying that if he loses, especially if he loses big, he will most likely slink away and not be very visible after leaving.
He, he, he…..
DJT HAS a LOT of experience LOSSING‼️🙄
let those sob’s “drop out” then.
I want to be part of a party that is optimistic and forward looking and appeals to every American, of course including those who are still now “minorities.”
“enthusiastically” support is debatable. The more intelligent people realize he is likely to lose, and the more desperate he acts, are going to lead to some tough times.
The people who follow him around and go to his rallies are of course statistically a small part of “the party.”
“Let those sobs drop out then”
If they do? The Republican Party goes back to being a third party.
Who is the second party then? That doesn’t seem to be logical at this time.
As I have stated, there are plenty of people around to constitute a smaller government or non-socialist party, even if as an opposition party.
And I would also prefer to build the party by winning over the hearts and minds of people who might otherwise be Independents or Democrats.
If a polarizing figure like Trump losing big would mean he still maintains all of his prior support ,then how come just the opposite happened in the UK Labor Party after Jeremy Corbyn’s huge loss?
Are we as Americans really that different where we don’t turn on people?
How do you envision this “new “ Republican Party and be specific as to how it would differ from the present party?
Who would you envision as leaders in this new party?
I don’t know as to “whom.” As you said, it’s all speculative.
I envision a compassionate, small government, strong on defense party similar to the successful versions of the post-war Republican Party pre-Trump, but with more of an effort to work for the support of non-whites, on the merits of its message and ideals.
Yeah.
In terms of potential 2024 Republican Presidential candidates, it is far too early to tell who all the players might be, but there will be a market for someone who will be vocal in stomping on the political corpse of Trump and declaring an end to that reign (and especially if others are bunched together in trying to defend all that happened).
Maybe there will be a person who has some genuine bona fides in having opposed Trump during those years or maybe someone will have to go on television and cry and ask for forgiveness.
Yes that was very interesting and should end (but won’t) the idea constantly propounded by two posters here that the Republicans “really “don’t want Trump.
As is plainly shown here,the Republican Party is viewed by most Republicans as nothing more than a vehicle for Trump.
This reminds me of the story that was making the rounds in 2016 that Trump once said that if he ever ran for President he would run as a Republican because they would be the only ones dumb enough to nominate him!
Trump always denied saying that and there is no evidence he did.
However ,it doesn’t matter anymore.The statement ,whether made or not ,is quite obviously true and this poll shows that .
53%?
This number would have been in the 90s under Reagan. I am sure it was for Democrats with Obama.
It is far easier to support a President (especially one with political skills) than a political party. The average American does not tend to be as partisan as we are or have been.
When Trump is gone from the scene, one way or another, someone else will eventually come along and automatically become the vehicle (against liberalism or whatever) that people will gravitate to.
Meanwhile Mike Pence says Biden will be a “Trojan Horse for a radical agenda”
This seems to be the Republican line this year.
Yeah we know Biden is a likable guy, but he’s going to bring along a bunch of damn socialists and libruls.
Reminds me of how GHW Bush’s team tried to go after Clinton in 1992.
Oh sure he’s a good ole boy, but he runs around with radicals who (gulp!) protested the Vietnam War!
Didn’t work out too great that time.
No, “we” pointed out that Clinton actually did protest the war while on foreign soil. The Bush campaign definitely attempted to portray him as far left.
Clinton however made a concentrated effort to portray himself as a “new Democrat” who had learned from the excesses of the party’s recent past.
Nonetheless, he did only get 43% of the vote in his win.
Yes and he won 379 Electoral votes , an EC landslide.
As you often remind everyone the EC is all that matters.
And in terms of winning, indeed it does.
Should we maybe consider the merits of states adopting “run-offs” for the top two in Presidential races?
I have said if somehow I found myself as a voter in a state that had Biden vs. Trump needing to face off after an initial vote in a run-off, I’d be more willing to vote for Biden.
I have no problem with it ;however, I don’t see it as a major issue .
As you stated the EC won’t be changed , I don’t see any chance of that being adopted.
Right. Nothing is going to change. Everybody will be competing to win a plurality in enough contests to reach a minimum of 270.
We can certain speculate though as to how the 1992 election would have turned out if Perot were not in the race or theoretically what a “run off” between Bush and Clinton would have been like… (although I don’t think Perot himself would have endorsed Bush.)
True. Though the polls from mid-July until late September–the part of the campaign where Perot was not a candidate–all showed Clinton with a sizable lead head to head with GHW Bush.
Some polls in mid to late October showed Bush had made a comeback and was close to even.
Then Lawrence Walsh indicted some people over Iran-Contra in attempt to influence the election.
I know he wouldn’t have.
He detested Bush for very weird reasons.
He offered Bush a job and Bush turned him down. He never forgot that.
I was shocked when Perot endorsed Dubya in 2000.
Bill Clinton has something that Trump will NEVER HAVE…
He LIKED PEOPLE….
Trump just likes HIMSELF…
Screw everyone else…
Bill Clinton liked people who liked him back and not so much the people who didn’t like him.
All sorts of these people have egos like that.
I’d be more willing to say that Biden, while also flawed at times, is more of a “people person” in general than Clinton.
My point is that outside of the Republican Party the view of Clinton as some sort of dirty hippy didn’t stick.
Similarly I don’t see that someone like Joe Biden–who has spent decades in the center or center left of American politics–will suddenly be viewed as a vehicle for the radical left.
I think a lot of Perot voters had that view about Clinton and that is why they voted for Perot,, they had that option.
I mean you were a Perot voter, right?
I was. It was my first Presidential election.
I still considered myself a Republican then but I thought the GOP’s focus on re-fighting the 1960’s– a decade I wasn’t around for–was a dumb waste of time.
Who was right?
They’re still fighting it!
And it’s still dumb
I am glad I was not around for the 60s.
It was the greatest time of my life!
Biden may be able to skate from those claims right now, but it is also true he is running the most left-leaning campaign ever. Dukakis seems to have finally gotten his wish though. “This election is not about ideology, it is about competence.”
I wish it were about both.
Just be glad you folks rejected Sanders and Warren. The charges would stick easier.
And as I mentioned Dukakis, it may also be as GHWB wanted it to be in ’92, about “character” and that will be to Biden’s benefit.
I think all Presidential elections should be about character above all else.
And except for Trump all Republicans over the past thirty or so years have had better “ character “ than the Democrat ,right?
Certainly the ones that ran against Bill Clinton did.
I agree Bob Dole had better “character” than Bill Clinton.
But considering Dole was a very vocal supporter of Donald Trump in 2016 he doesn’t seem to think that having none is a problem.
Yes I agree with that.
I wouldn’t classify him as “very vocal.”
Part of me is surprised he went along with it though. He’s quite old though now.
I recall him in no uncertain terms claiming that Republicans complaining about Trump being unfit for office (you) need to shut up and get on board.
I don’t remember that at all.
Dole endorsed Jeb Bush for the nomination and had a lot of negative things to say about Trump He really hated Ted Cruz though and indicated he would support Trump over Cruz and a lot of establishment types actually did.. most likely they assumed Trump would lose.
All I remember was that he sat in the family box at the convention.
How about Gore, Kerry, Obama ,Hillary Clinton?
Most of those people lost. It took a major catastrophe such as the 2008 international financial meltdown to make things less about ideology as well.
Plus Obama was a very skilled campaigner. He also beat McCain in every debate by effectively trying to seem like a centrist.
No you said every race should be about “character.”
So were Gore, Kerry Obama and Hillary Clinton of “bad” character or did they not measure up to GWB, McCain, Romney and Trump(haha)?
I said Hillary was a better person than Trump, but that literally means nothing…. Hillary has a lot of problems.
I think GWB and Romney are people of great character. McCain lived a flawed life and had pros and cons to his character but certainly one can never diminish his heroism and patriotism, no mater how much Daily Kos and all the people in that campaign tried to.
I don’t see that,except for 2016, “character played any part of the campaigns of this century and in that one “character” took a decided backseat.
There was no discernible differences in the “character” of the candidates of this era .
Accordingly other factors guided the voting.
You concede 1992 and 1996 though. Those were the elections that focused on character, at least before 2016.
If it’s the most “left leaning campaign ever” and is being supported by the majority of American voters–the same voters who in polls continually support these policies–who is out of touch?
Hillary was the “most left leaning ever”
Obama was the “most left leaning ever”
I think we get the picture
2024 (Democratic Candidate) ?
“”The most left leaning ever”
It’s not untrue though and yes, whomever replaces Biden as the 2024 nominee will run even lefter.
Do they really support the policies? Not that I can see.
This election is about people not liking Trump. Who can blame them?
For all the horribleness of Trump, if not for this pandemic, and if we still had the kind of economy we seemed to have in February, this might be a different race now.
Might?
But before all this,Biden was leading in most polls ,albeit by a smaller margin.
Yes, smaller margin, and the “tool of the left” might have been more effective under more typical circumstances.
As I have said, Biden being able to stay quiet in his basement, while Trump disgraced himself daily on the public stage worked greatly to Biden’s benefit.
My view is that people were already “tiring” of Trump.
The present circumstances have hastened that “tiring.”
“Do they really support those policies”
I don’t know
Do Republicans “really” support Trump?
Maybe everyone is just lying and Americans “really” want to repeal the ACA, think the minimum wage is just fine where it’s at, want more defense spending, etc etc
And maybe Republicans are just lying and “really” don’t think Trump is one of them.
Or we can actually take what people say at face value instead of reading our own agenda into it.
Yes, but traditionally, it is hard to beat an incumbent, especially during a strong economy. I said Trump was the underdog to Biden from Day 1 though.
The base of Democrats have adopted things such as Medicare for All, Free College Tuition for All, The Green New Deal, slavery reparations, etc etc that certainly do not seem to be popular with the American people.
This will mostly be a battle fought out among Democrats during an anticipated Biden Administration though… plus the new “defund the police” push and however far some people want to push this statue thing.
Tell’m Scott!!!
Pence’s comment is weak…
Trump probably had to ask what did Pence mean?
Pence is about as “socialist” as you can get.
Supporting the government delivering checks to everyone.
What happened to “conservative “ economic policies!
The stimulus checks? Those were necessary. People were unable to work suddenly, and without the ability to otherwise make arrangements, through no fault of their own.
No more “socialist” than public schools, etc… I mean you can be an absolutist about it if you want. Perhaps the Libertarian Party will put you on a panel at their next convention.
Pure Socialism.
How about the Balanced Budget Amendment?
The stimulus checks are gonna be around until Trump loses…
Then GOPer’s will go back to the fiscal responsible Bull Shit…
Exactly.
They’re as Socialist as anyone else when it suits them.
While hypocritically using the term in a derogatory bmanner,
The stimulus checks were necessary. Are you disagreeing? Maybe you are wealthy enough to not have to have given it a thought.
Social distancing now. Socialist distancing later.
Some GOPer’s are stupid enough to want them stopped CH, just like jobless checks and Trump wants a payroll tax cut as he goes out the door?
All the sudden with this stuff?
The GOPer’s HAVE TO KNOW the party’s OVER….
The checks were Mitt Romney’s idea. I wrote his name over Trump’s on mine.
Trump wouldn’t be that smart…
We KNOW.,..
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It might be nice (especially for CG and JamesB) to foresee a self-correcting swing back to the centre, but insofar as the Grand Old Party over the last 50 or 60 years, that is exactly what hasn’t happened. For a series of reasons, and a series of (usually conscious) choices, there’s been a continous rightward ratchet, occasionally moving back a notch or two, but in the end moving rightwards not middlewards.
Skipping the lingering effects of Joe McCarthy on the GOP, one might begin the rightward movement with Barry Goldwater’s supporters, who lost in 1960 but took over the party in 1964; the Goldwaterites never really left the party but plenty of moderates did (either crossing the aisle or dropping out). Nixon was very skillful in balancing the Goldwaterites (augmented by former but unrepentant Dixiecrats) with the more moderate suburban or coastal + Great Lakes moderates.
But then came Reagan, a strikingly successful politician with a very conservative program, who sucked out all the power from what was left of the GOP with his defeat of George H.W. Bush. And Reagan was able to balance both a combative (PATCO) and a conciliatory tone, while being very careful not to alienate the alienated white voters (notably, but not exclusively, in the South who’d backed Nixon, Goldwater and/or George C. Wallace.
When Bush I succeeded Reagan, neither the Reaganites, the Goldwaterites nor the Dixiecrats (including Wallace supporters) left the G.O.P. They were still around and hadn’t been marginalized in the way that successive strata of the Northeastern establishment had been.
Bob Dole and Jack Kemp were reasonable men, but they didn’t expand the Republican base. The activists drew the lesson that Me-Tooism and Old-Time Religion would work no more, so they supported G.W. Bush.
And that’s just in the formal party structure. It’s silly to underestimate the effects of the evangelical Right, the Tea Party, super PACs, Fox news, or the right edge of Cyberspace.
And the other party has lurched leftward all along.
Ultimately, the people have to decide if they are more left or more right.
A polarizing figure like Trump though without core convictions and with some unorthodox and at times contradictory views (such as being to the left of many Democrats in terms of recent military engagements) sort of puts all that on the back burner and makes it about him and ultimately his chaos and incompetence.
Donald Trump is where the Republicans Party has been heading for along long time.
That’s hard to take literally considering all the energy you guys spent in opposing the Iraq War, etc, and calling Republicans “warmongers.” That was literally the main component of your 2004 campaign.
Now, you have Trumpists in the Republican Party using the same rhetoric to try to discredit John Bolton.
Well it’s a good thing we went to war in Iraq considering all the Republicans who thought our lives depended on it don’t even defend it anymore.
It’s a good thing you still have me to point to as the epitome of principled consistency.
Spare me.
You’ll once again vote for all the war-mongers who put their war-mongering on hold for fear of an angry Tweet from The Donald.
The Iraq War was a damn waste of time, money and most of all lives.
But considering the current situation–it’s far from the worst loss of life to be caused by Republican malfeasance. Not even close.
Well, you are voting and donating right now for the candidate who voted for that war.
Just about ALL of them voted for the Iraq War…
Hindsight is 20/20 vision , eh?
Well, the Intelligence at the time seemed pretty clear.
But Donald Trump claims he knew better than anyone else.
The only relevant point is that Trump and his views were certainly now where the Republican Party had long been heading. On many matters, it was a very quick detour to MAGAland.
And I supported that war at the time
I was wrong, and I admit it.
I’d rather support someone who made the wrong choice like I did and now has learned from it than someone who stubbornly “sticks to his guns”.
Like I said. What does it say about the Iraq War that the Republicans who defended it the most now sit back and allow their leader to say it was a mistake without making a peep?
My position was it was the right decision at the time. None of us can go back and include other factors into what was relevant then.
I will also say that once we started we had an obligation to succeed and of course I will also maintain that the world is a much better place without Saddam Hussein.
And it’s not like the Commander in Chief at the time has ever been a Trump supporter.
Like Nancy Pelosi, I “yearn” for him.
Biden eventually wanted to give up and divide Iraq up into three parts. Historically, that would have been a disaster.
Yes, mistakes were made in how the war was conducted and the President then was man enough to know when he had to change course. The “surge” worked when so many on the left (and Trump) said it would not.
Fact…..
The US Congress RARELY votes to counter a US President military action….
They may question it later…
But Americans ALWAYS back a well sold ‘call to arms’
BTW?
Trump IS quietly trying bring troops home from Europe and Asia against the wishes of Congress…
I do NOT see the Grand ole’ Party swinging left.,..
I think Hogan has NO chance of becoming the 2024 nominee….
Cotton maybe?
Maybe Hogan wins the three way 2024 election against Cotton and AOC.
AOC has not even a prayer for the nomination…I KNOW GOPer’s would love to run against her though
But good joke
Ha, ha?
Sorry I didn’t proofread that better before posting.
“But then came Reagan, a strikingly successful politician with a very conservative program, who sucked out all the power from what was left of the GOP ^establishment^ with his defeat of George H.W. Bush. And Reagan was able to balance both a combative (PATCO) and a conciliatory tone, while being very careful not to alienate the alienated white voters (notably, but not exclusively, in the South ^ ) ^ who’d backed Nixon, Goldwater and/or George C. Wallace.”
Reagan had a ton of establishment support in 1980 too from everything I have read. It varied from state to state, but having run previously, many did consider him “next in line.”
A middle aged millennial saying that they’re glad they didn’t live in the 60s as we head into a National financial and environmental disaster brought to us by an incompetent Republican Administration is rather ironic. Good luck, the deficit you’ve been ignoring is all yours.
Like I have said before, every 40 something will be home soon living in their old bedroom. A move brought to you by Donald Trump.
I loved the 60s. They made me a Democrat.
I may wish I could skip the ’20s too. It’s not off to a great start.
I hope Scott finds his old bedroom comfortable.
It’s not there anymore
Yeah weren’t the 60s great.
We lived through so much history,some good, some bad.
The music !just the general vibe!
It was great time to live.
Yes the 60’s was a crazy time…
Kids now think of these times the same…
And yea….
The music was probably better
As a child I was forced to endure the music and culture of the ’50s and you people are basically the same age as my parents.
Which was your favorite song to Twist to?
“Quarter To Three“ by Gary (US) Bonds ,who Bruce Springsteen labeled one of his inspirations.
I was only twelve then!
‘l Love Music…’
O’Jays….
You were still doing the Twist in the mid seventies?
I love Music came out in 75.
The 70s may have had worse music than the 60s
Overall yes there was a lot of bad pop music in the 1970s
But some great albums–Springsteen Born to Run, Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon, Rolling Stones Exile on Main Street.
I guess it depends on ones age and perspective.
I rarely listen to anything made after 1990 myself.
There were like a thousand different variations of “The Twist” song.
In the 1980s, my parents won multiple Twist contests around Chicagoland. Then about 15 years ago, they went to Disney World and saw a Chubby Checker show.
They joined a bunch of kids or whoemver who were invited up on stage to do “The Twist”, but Chubby thought my parents were upstaging him and kicked them off the stage.
“The Twist “song was done by Chubby Checker from Andrews SC ,a town about 40 miles north of Charleston .
I’ve seen him numerous times.
He’s known for protesting outside the annual inductions into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame where he believes he belongs!
Chubbys problem is ,besides The Twist ,he never did much else.
Pony Time went #1.
Yeah I forgot about that!
Still he is thought of largely a vanity act.Actually thought he sings a variety of songs.
He also did The Bird.
You can see the drift.
The RRHOF takes themselves seriously I guess.
Speaking of one hit wonders from the 1960s, there was a band called Bob Kuban and the In Men whose only hit in 1966 was called “The Cheater”.
The lead singer was later murdered by his wife’s lover who also also arranged for his own wife to be killed. This all went down in my county in the late 1980s
My mom worked in the Prosecuting Attorney’s office when the case went to trial.
Those who used to “dance to a quarter to three” might now be up using the washroom at that time… or Tweeting.
Maybe it would have been fun for me to have partied with Nixon and Bebe Rebozzo at the Miami Beach convention.
The Sixties (say 1962 to 1975) were creative, liberating, exciting and enlightening, but they were also very scary (with the H-Bomb hanging over everyone and a wartime draft hanging over 18-to-35-year-old men) and far more stressful than people either recall or imagine.
Sure there was Woodstock, but there was also Birmingham (several times), George Wallace, Kent State, People’s Park, the 1968 Democratic Convention and the S.L.A. Plus major convulsions (and repression) in nearly all the inner cities and white terrorism in the South.
I was living in San Francisco during one of the Summers of Love, but by 1969, weed had given way to hash, hash to acid, acid to speed and speed to heroin, The human results, whether on Haight Street, on Telegraph Avenue or in downtown Oakland, were deeply depressing, if not appalling.
There were unifying moments such as we’ve seen in the recent demonstrations, but the polarization (and sometimes sheer hatred) was even worse than today’s. The unpretentious honesty of The Return of the Secaucus Seven, Midnight Cowboy or Making It seem to me like a much more realistic recreation than the soft, gloss of The Big Chill or Love Story.
I’m glad I lived, learned and experienced so much in the Sixties (mainly in Berkeley) but I don’t really want to repeat them.
I used to roll my eyes when hearing about the 60s as a kid, but it truly is the most fascinating decade in American history in my opinion.
I’ve got a movie idea now-
In the midst of the turmoil of 2020 a despondent Boomer purchases a suspicious edible that suddenly transports him back to t0 1962 where he miraculously become his younger self.
After a period of reveling in their long lost youth, they decide it should be their mission to go to Jamaica Estates Queens and befriend the teenage Donald Trump in order to gain his trust and allow him to pay them to take his SAT test for him.
The protagonist then proceeds to purposely fail the test, keeping Trump out of Wharton, and by result altering history.
He, he, he…..
Indeed DSD….
Vietnam was like the virus in some respect ..
Overwhelming , personal and scary
This ain’t the Garden of Eden,
And this ain’t the Summer of Love.
As for popular music, I still remember the Folk Revival, before the Beatles went on American TV and heralded The British Invasion.
But the popular music of the middle 1970’s (on the edge of disco) were so unappealing to me that I (who’s always lived in cities and has no rustic pretensions) started listening to the local Country station instead, at just about the time that Willie Nelson, Wayland Jennings & co. were starting a big revolution in C&W.
Sorry, Waylon Jennings. I used to live near (and run a neighborhood group for) Wayland Square in Providence.
Trump sat down today for an interview with Chris Wallace for Fox News Sunday. I am surprised Trump agreed to do it.
For one thing, it was said to be very hot outside and Trump was sweating profusely, and also seems to have perhaps stopped dying his hair daily.
It looks like Wallace really pushed back hard against Trump during this Fox News interview. They showed a clip of Trump saying Biden signed a document saying “defund the police” and Wallace pointed out that was untrue. Trump said he would show him the document and then he looked all over for it with cameras rolling and couldn’t find it.
Chris Wallace is the journalist who first broke the Reagan-Bush ticket story 40 years ago last night.
Post coming on the Wallace/Trump interview…