The progressive US Senator from Vermont , a state where are few minorities , has been pushing for change ….
But the one we have now is vastly different ….
The people in the streets still are almost ALL about race….
Bernie Sanders push was about economics, he never quite mentioned race….
While they both go hand in hand?
Joe Biden from the beginning courted the black voters….
Sanders did better with latino’s…
Sanders and his supporters must now try to catch up to a place where Joe Biden highlighted and based a good part of campaign on , which rewarded him with a blow-out primary march to the nomination AFTER the race left the two small overwhelmingly white states of Iowa and New Hampshire….
THAT means Sanders supporters coming to support Biden, someone a good amount of Sanders supporters said they never would….
People are in the streets, confronting injustice and demanding fundamental change.
It is the kind of moment that Senator Bernie Sanders spoke about on the 2020 presidential campaign trail, and for decades before that. But when the revolution finally came, it wasn’t his.
The rise of revolutionary sentiment, like many things, is about timing. The coronavirus outbreak had already renewed support for progressive policy proposals, including “Medicare for all.” But the disproportionate impact of the coronavirus on black Americans, combined with the galvanizing death of George Floyd at the hands of the police in Minneapolis, have heightened the call to address systemic racism and police brutality, uniting Democrats — and the country — in a campaign for action in a way that Mr. Sanders’s message of economic equality did not…
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When Mr. Sanders spoke about racial equality, it was often in the context of economic equality, championing proposals and prescriptions that he believed would improve the lives of all working Americans. He said that policies like single-payer health care would address higher maternal and infant mortality rates in black communities. And he wanted to legalize marijuana and end cash bail, policies he said were aimed in particular at helping black Americans and other people of color.
These proposals, however, also amounted to an implicit expectation that voters trust the government — an especially difficult sell for those including older black voters who feel they have been historically let down by the government.
They were shortcomings that help explain why Mr. Sanders lost to former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. in the Democratic primary race: Unable to win over older black voters, he came in a distant second to Mr. Biden in South Carolina, then went on to lose to Mr. Biden in every Southern state on Super Tuesday. Those defeats, Mr. Sanders’s allies say, contributed to the perception that Mr. Biden was more electable and would fare better against President Trump in the general election in November — a notion that helped propel Mr. Biden to victory in the primary….
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“It’s not good enough to sit back,” Mr. Sanders said.
Although he said he thought there would be “a broadening of discussion about what we mean by justice in America,” he also held firm to his political philosophy.
“If you’re serious about racial justice — if you’re serious about criminal justice,” he said, “you have got to be serious about economic justice.”….
Sydney Ember, look up her background and you’ll understand her weak analysis of Bernie’s positions.
Sanders “never quite mentioned race” ? What a revisionist world we live in.
Ok…
That is probably a over simplification …
His push was for economic change…
But he did NOT embrace race in anyway the Biden, Harris, Booker or others did….
Sanders actually counted to knock Obama, something he threw away support with…
It showed in the post Iowa and NH voting…
Sanders embraced race in every position he took – criminal justice reform, minimum wage, the health and environmental crises’ disproportionate effects on Black communities. the lack of affordable housing, underfunded schools. The Black communities in the South rewarded Biden’s loyalty to Obama and Biden’s own positions. To say that Sanders embraced race any less than Biden, Harris and Booker is simply not true.
Perhaps you have to check off doing a disparaging piece on Sanders once or twice a month. Perhaps you believe it gains you more readership. I imagine that’s why you do it.
Ok RE…..
Maybe it did NOT register with me…
It certainly didn’t with the Democratic base he needed to get the nomination?
The Democratic party got behind Biden, pure and simple. In politics, that happens and that’s part of the process. That does not give people license to misrepresent the positions of another candidate. Biden won. Whoever wants you to keep disparaging Sanders must be afraid of something.
RE?
EVERYBODY was singing Bernie’s song for the first 3 primaries….
THEN?
Reality Dropped on them….
Yup ur right….
The Democrats got behind the DEMOCRAT….
The guy who appealed to the PARTY he belonged to…
The guy who appealed to the established BASER of the party which is NOIT reflected in Iowa and NH…..
Biden won against a a 2 time loser who wanted things that just ain’t gonna happen…
And?
In the end?
Bernie has come home to Biden even BEFORE some if his supporters have….
I did NOT misrepresent Sanders base….
Check the votes AFTER Iowa and NH and Nevada …..
Again….
REALITY …..
Bernie DID NOT appealed the MAIN voter in the Democratic Party….
Joe Biden DID….
And right now?
Biden is doing a darn good job across the board….
That Clyburn would endorse Sanders over Biden is wishful thinking….
Biden was home…
Sanders was the guy making promises that the party KNEW where too far reaching….
THAT was just NOT smart when Trump had the world going the OTHER way….
Thru the primaries I called it that Biden would be answer….
My read was correct….
Sanders LOST….
The voters made their choice….
For some of us?
There was NEVER any doubt….
As others will tell u here RE?
I have little us for Sanders, who I see as an outsiders who wanted take over the Democratic party and give people free shit by raising my taxes, something he said out loud.,.
And i don’t take to kindly to Sanders dissing Obama….THAT didn’t help Sanders with Clyburn I’d think…People who thought blacks would leave Biden, Obama’s VP standing at the door for a indie Senator from a state with 10 black people where fooling themselves…
Worst?
Some of His supporters are STILL trashing the Democratic nominee and some will NOT vote for Biden….
First?
Ya BEAT TRUMP…
Then u can think about other stuff…
None of my feeling have to do with anyone here…
They are my views of one man’s actions..
Okay James, I get that they are your views. Just to be clear, progressives aren’t preventing Biden from winning the general election. The Biden transition team includes progressives as well as former Obama admin. folks. The party platform will include strong progressive policies, there will be progressive cabinet members. You will be railing against Sanders (code for progressives) for a very long time. But remember that the alternative is a Republican platform which is: 1. whatever Trump wants, 2. more tax cuts for the wealthy, 3. more and more guns, and 4. you are on your own.
Ronnie,
I believe James has been distorting Sanders for a long, long time. And he will continue to distort because he is otherwise unable to persuade people that they are wrong about something using logic alone.
In truth, I don’t have a good reason to explain why I post here. I can think of lots of unsatisfying exchanges, and yes, I share in the blame. Maybe, I just have gotten tired of posts that I think are inaccurate or unfair, and they are from more than one person. I have just come to see it as pointless in challenging them. So, let James believe that the lack of progress in correcting wealth inequality during the Obama administration was acceptable. Let CG believe that the failure to remove Trump during the impeachment hearings was the Democrats fault, and let Keith imply that a Florida Congressman likes Hispanic boys. Nothing that I say will influence what they believe – or want to believe.
Z?
I have this place here for EVERYONE to voice their views….
That includes u and me…
The wonderful thing about that is learn from having different view’s
Jack and i have been doing this for over a decade and i look forward to that ….
One of the things i have learned here is to NOT take a difference in politics personally…
I guess in covering politics i have gotten a bit like the lawmakers in learning to disagree and not let it stop me from being friendly with others…
I am happy whenever you come to visit and am happy the RE has joined the conversation here…
The number of visits to the site continues to grow and i’m happy to keep things going for everyone who comes here…
A failure to take different views of things is something i saw in Bernie and i we see in Donald Trump….
At least Bernie listens now and has come on board for Joe Biden…
Well James, my problem with you isn’t the way you disagree. It is that you lie and when someone calls you on a foolish comment, you don’t back down and you obfuscate. Do you do it deliberately? Who cares? No longer me!
You view is yours Z….
For you Sanders is as bad as Trump. Sanders “listens” now so he is okay, but when he doesn’t “listen”….It, honestly, doesn’t make sense. Issues are always wrestled with among factions of a party. This need to “erase” Bernie unless he bends to Biden’s will is something you see with Trump’s party.
Sanders DOES have some good ideas…
My reaction to him is strong i admit…
He might be a nice guy in person…
But i was a Biden supporter from the jump…
I watched Bernie try to pull the party to him 4 years ago…
Then again this time…
I’m old school like most of the party i guess from the primary vote…
I ‘be lived by the axiom that the sweet spot is in the middle…
Now BECAUSE of Sanders and Warren ?
the middle IS to the left of even Obama ..
But i do have an issue with Sanders and the ‘free’ stuff that he would have middle class tax payers having to support thru higher taxes ….
I know it doesn’t bother a lot of people but it does bother me
And i have no problem with saying THAT out loud…
Both Sanders and Hillary did not get along…
That is not the case with Biden…
Hmmmmm?
You guys should be grateful that Sanders is not the nominee, because it would be much tougher to beat Trump.
Biden won the nomination because fear of Sanders set in. Thankfully for you guys, this happened before the pandemic knocked everything else off the headlines.
Biden and his supporters now can thank all the suburban voters who typically voted Republican, but crossed over and voted in a Democrat primary for the first time to help defeat Sanders. Of course, many African-American voters also played a big part in defeating Sanders, largely out of pragmatism.
If Biden is President though, hopefully he will not forget the center-right voters who saved his chances.
He won’t….
Zreebs, in the short time I’ve been visiting this site, I am struck by the fact that people seem to know their politics. I don’t believe anyone is convinced by anyone else, but it is interesting to see the intersection and overlap of views. I didn’t think I would be defending Sanders. But I realize now that his views (and his convention delegates) present a threat to those who hope to marginalize progressives within the party.
I also did not expect to defend Sanders on this site as much as I did. When someone is attacked unfairly, I often feel the need to defend them. “Fairness” is one of the reasons why I am a Democrat.
Zreebs,
I post here just for the fun of it.
I’m under no illusion that anything I say here has any real effect on anything .I enjoy some of the virtual camaraderie that exist here .Now do I sometimes tire of some of the illogic exhibited by James?
Sure.Awhile back I announced a break.Took off for about a month.
Here I am.
But do I believe anything I say here really influences anyone else in their beliefs?Nah, more in the nature of me just letting off a little steam…
As for you?I always enjoy your comments,They’re thoughtful and well articulated (RE s appear so too) and we probably agree much more than we disagree.
And furthermore I take all criticism as a personal attack and it makes me mad as Hell!!!!!
Or does it?🤪
Huh? How did I get brought into this?
But for the record, a thirty something man who talks about adopting a teenage Hispanic boy is pretty much the definition of liking young Hispanic boys.
I think the main reason that Biden won the nomination is because Democrats – more than anything else – wanted someone who would beat Trump, and the Biden surrogates did a better job than Sanders at convincing Democrats which potential nominee would have a better chance at winning in November.
Had Clyburn endorsed Sanders over Biden, I believe that Sanders would have been the nominee. The Democratic Party did not want this to be a bitter primary, so it closed ranks behind Biden quickly.
In 2004 while in Louisiana, I voted for Kerry because I knew he was going to win the nomination, instead of Dean – even though I clearly preferred Dean.
Sure momentum plays a part.
Democrats simply didn’t have the stomach for a long primary fight this year and Biden is well liked across the party.
Even when Joe’s campaign was in dire straights in Iowa and New Hampshire it wasn’t because he was unpopular among any group of Democrats.
Once he started winning the primaries there simply wasn’t strength for any other candidate –which was pretty much just Sanders by then–to mpuntba comeback.
Mount a comeback.
In early 2020, both Biden and Sanders had the highest favorability rating among Democratic contenders, but Sanders was higher among Democrats than Biden by about 5 points.
I’m convinced Sanders lost because because he lost the argument of who was more likely to beat Trump. It is True that Biden did better than Sanders among independents and Republicans, but Sanders was more popular than Biden among Democrats in early 2020.
I have no ill will towards Sanders would be enthusiasticallu supporting him if he were the nominee now.
I’m very glad he and the vast vast majority of his supporters are on board with Biden now.
He is showing true leadership.