Joe Biden has been in Congress for a LONG assed time…
He IS a compromise guy…
Period…
He isn’t Bernie Sanders trying to change the whole government…
Most Democrats in the primaries rejected Bernie’s agenda….
Biden IS gonna keep Obamacare…
He isn’t Donald Trump trying to get rid of it…
He isn’t gonna push defunding the cops…
(Neither does Bernie want THAT)
He isn’t gonna tell everyone to smile a joint…
And he isn’t gonna try to be a white/black guy…
Joe Biden IS gonna try to put the American government and country back together…
He is gonna try to heal the hurt and fear we’ve developed over the last 3 1/2 years…
He IS gonna listen to the experts and THEN make his call…
He IS gonna try to find a middle ground on immigration ….
He IS gonna work to help the countries consumers, while making sure the banks and yes….Big Business don’t fail…
But above all?
Joe Biden is NOT gonna be the BIG circus act that Donald Trump tried to be…
So?
The media needs to stop doing pieces asking ‘why isn’t Joe Biden gonna a Bernie Sanders clone?’
He isn’t…
He’s to the left of his old boss Barack Obama ….
But where he’s at now?
Is about far as he’s gonna get….
And THAT probably means his Vice President choice probably won’t be Senator Elizabeth Warren either…
But the question remains: What is Biden’s role as the Democratic nominee, as America reckons with racism?
Despite his consistent edge in polls, there are risks for Biden. Though he has endorsed banning chokeholds and reforming qualified immunity, his promotion of community policing has left activists and organizers in key states angry and concerned that he’s missing a moment to be bolder. Internally, Biden’s campaign is balancing how to best respond to the transformational demands of protesters while maintaining his commanding lead over Trump. Biden gained the lead by staying largely out of the spotlight as Trump has praised the “beautiful heritage” of the Confederacy and called protesters “thugs.”
If elected president, Biden must force a “frank, truthful, painstaking conversation” about America’s racism, said Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.).
“I’m not sure if he has the understanding, but he has to become a transcendental president,” Rush said. The opportunity is here; the question is, can he rise up to it?”
Dismissing the social media left
Biden’s advisers point out that racial justice is at the heart of why he’s running for president. He has often said that Trump’s 2017 comment praising “very fine people” at a pro-Nazi rally in Charlottesville is what pushed him into the 2020 race.
“He’s been very clear he wouldn’t be running unless Donald Trump were president,” said Symone Sanders, a senior adviser to Biden.
During the primaries, Biden bet everything on winning overwhelming support from African American voters, who eventually reversed the near collapse of his campaign in the first three states.
Biden’s advisers were often less attentive—and sometimes downright dismissive—of certain obsessions of the social media left. Biden did not discuss white privilege the way Kirsten Gillibrand did. He didn’t endorse reparations or the legalization of marijuana when some of his chief rivals did. He stubbornly insisted that the two most important primary constituencies were political moderates and older working-class African Americans, two groups without much influence online. The Biden campaign’s unspoken primary slogan could have been, “Twitter isn’t real life.”
This cautiousness and skepticism has spilled into the general election. One way to think of the Biden campaign’s navigation of racial issues is that he and his advisers care a lot more about addressing policy demands than they do about addressing cultural issues.
“There is a conversation that’s going on on Twitter that they don’t care about,” one Democratic strategist observed. “They won the primary by ignoring all of that. The Biden campaign does not care about the critical race theory-intersectional left that has taken over places like The New York Times. You can be against chokeholds and not believe in white fragility. You can be for reforming police departments and don’t necessarily have to believe that the United States is irredeemably racist.”
Sanders offered a slightly more nuanced view. “It’s not that we’re dismissing anyone’s voice, because we hear the voices, we hear the feedback,” she said. “We are, though, laser-focused on making sure that we’re not running a campaign that only caters to the internet.”
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“It’s important to remember what Vice President Biden said in the last couple of months that he intended to be a transition figure for the Democratic Party,” said Sen. Brian Schatz, the 47-year-old Democrat from Hawaii who is a favorite of progressives. Schatz argued that unlike Obama, who was a singular personality who “blocked out the sun” when it came to other Democratic leaders, Biden’s goal—as contradictory as it may seem—is to help raise up the new generation of Democrats, many of whom are to his left.
“He’s certainly at the helm as our nominee and as our party leader,” Schatz said. “But I think he understands that there is a movement that undergirds the left right now which is deeper and wider and more likely to last into the future regardless of who’s the titular head of the party.”
A similar view comes from some activists who often have the most clear-eyed view of politicians, seeing them not as heroic shapers of history but merely as instruments who respond to pressure.
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From this perspective, the fact that Biden is a relatively nonideological politician who has continuously shifted with the political tides to remain close to the consensus view of his party might be a feature, not a bug. “Nobody expects Vice President Biden to organize a direct action,” Mitchell said. “That’s not his job.”
image…thehill/com
You suffer from what I guess I would call “media neuroses.”
Like most conservatives,you sit around inventing out of whole cloth all these media conspiracies to “get” this person or that thing.Here it’s Joe Biden.
The media has to create interest.One way they do that is by provocative articles and broadcasts.Its been that way since the founding of the country.You seemingly Dont grasp that fact.
So you read something and then go off on a tangent implying ,as you do here, that the “media” is trying to “get” Joe Biden to be Bernie Sanders.
I haven’t gotten that impression at all.Indeed the whole idea is ludicrous and unworthy of serious discussion.Indeed,it appears that ,like your hated “media” you are doing the same thing that you accuse them of.
Out of whole cloth you have invented this straw man and then attempted to knock it down.
A waste of time and effort but since your stock in trade is chasing assorted frivolous subjects?Please, knock your self out.
The Democratic ‘civil war’ is STILL going on….
But Biden and the mainstream are getting converts….
I’ll KEEP writing about it cause it’s important…
There is no “civil war” in the Democratic Party ,nor in the Republican Party as you have previously claimed.
Idiotic hyperbole.
Yeah James and CG agree that there is.
I agree with Jack. For CG it’s wishful thinking as his own party is in shambles and in complete control by Trump and his minions.
Not sure why James is so caught up on that.
James doesn’t wither.
Like most things he posts here?He offers no proof other than his opinion.
He, he, he….
That’s ur lawyer Jack….
Does a duck have ‘say’ it’s a duck to BE a duck?
He, he, he….
Does it have to ‘say’ it’s cold be BE cold….
How about?
James has to keep the “civil war” notion going because he is as much as Democrat as Jamie Dimon who has described himself in 2012 (the middle of the Obama years) as “barely a Democrat” and who, last year, said “my heart is Democratic but my brain is kind of Republican”. If Dimon had decided to run as an independent, James would have been on board. Not sure if he said as much here last year. What will Dimon/James think two years into the Biden admin. He is already warning (at whose behest) that 2022 can’t be a repeat of 2018 or else these barely Democrats will leave the party. Oh, no, please don’t.
james didn’t even vote in the D primary.
Even I voted this year in the D primary!
Sure didn’t CG…
Went to work to pay my bills…
No problem….
Meeks and Biden won in my district
I’ll be there in November
Count on it
And u will vote for who?
You could have voted early or on Election Day. You let Joe down.
As for me, I will probably duplicate my D primary vote and write in Mitt Romney.
What does Jamie Dimon have to do with anything?
(sound vaguely like something Pat Buchanan would throw out there…)
I don’t know if james even know who Jamie Dimon is, but he doesn’t like rich people he has told us.
Here is the relevant quote apparently from Dimon:
“I’ve gotten disturbed at some of the Democrats’ anti-business behavior, the attacks on work ethic and successful people. I think it’s very counterproductive. … It doesn’t mean I don’t have their values. I want jobs. I want a more equitable society. I don’t mind paying higher taxes. … I do think we’re our brother’s keeper but I think that attacking that which creates all things, is not the right way to go about it.”
Does such a viewpoint not belong in the party?
The Fed may end up making the Banks TAKE money again if things get sideways this fall …
Biden may need to cal Volker, Geritnrr and Bermenkl back…to help out…
Chase Bank ….
They will need to conduct a seance to reach Volker.
You see Democrats don’t attack “work ethic and successful people”. That is what Republicans say about Democrats.
I doubt Dimon is the only Democrat who believes that. Just look at what you folks did to Mr. Bloomberg.
Back in 2012, Cory Booker was going on tv and saying that the rhetoric from Democrats in attacking Mitt Romney on Bain Capital was going too far and that the party ran a risk of looking “anti-success.”
Nowadays, the Democrats get a whole bunch of money from Bain Capital too.
OK….
We agree to DISagree on the Democratic civil war that HAS been and contiunes though abated right now….
If you guys can believe that the ‘Bern’ and his followers haven’t been looking to TAKE OVER the Democratic Party?
Your DREAMING…
Believe what you want….
I can’t help ya on this…
This is a case where james is mostly correct.
There are the same factors going on among that was going on among Republicans in 2012. The nominations of Romney and Biden have similarities.
Now, Biden may actually win (and it looked like Romney had a real chance too), because Trump is so much more unpopular personally than Obama, so maybe he becomes overwhelmingly popular and bends the party to his will, but I think that is unlikely. The grassroots wants to move the party further and further to the left to become more of an openly socialist party a la Bernie and the fissures are likely to become even larger, especially if Republicans are totally out of power and have little influence.
There are of course many divisions among Republicans too, but as seen under Trump, more of a willingness to “stand with the team” no matter what than Democrats have traditionally demonstrated.
and this is just my impression, but since 2004, when I first came to “know” them, I have never heard Scott or jack express any concern whatsoever about the present or future of the D party. Things have always been hunky dory and Democrats were always poised for huge victories.
Yes you have lots of impressions.
My “impression” is that your only problem with this party ,largely made up of totally irrational people , is Donald Trump.
Absent him ,everything would be ,in your words,”hunky dory .”
No, I have expressed concern with voices in the Republican Party since as long as you have “known” me.
I was criticizing the message of Oberweis in my state on immigration back in early 2004. In 2010, I was very critical of the rising influence of the populist Tea Party wing and how it hurt efforts of Republicans to win election.
Not an apt comparison at all.
Get off it….
When Trump exits the scene you’ll be fully back in the Republican Party.
You know it and everybody else here knows it.
Hell Ive “criticized” Nancy Pelosi and supported her stepping down as Speaker.
I’ve supported Brett Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court.
So?
You seem to enjoy these excursions into irrelevancies.
You’re aRepublican.We are Democrats.
it depends what happens to the Republican Party, but Trump being gone is at least a good start. As I have expressed before, without Trump and his hostage taking power, the party will immediately begin to sound different on some matters.
Of course, I can only hope to “fully rejoin” the Republican Party, simply because there are no other real options for someone who thinks as I do, The Democrats have made it very clear that someone like me will never be welcomed without surrendering many of my core values.
So, all I would be able to do is *hope* the GOP will go back to being what I can believe in because I sure know Democrats will not.
If Trump loses,you’ll be fully back in the Republican Party in a matter of days.
Maybe even one day.
A few months ago you said you havent been to a D party meeting in years, etc, so you do not even view yourself as a member of the party.
Do you want Pelosi to step down now? I doubt it. You were just worried politically.
And while you did not directly join in the attacks on Kavanaugh that occurred on here, you sure remained completely silent about them when they happened.
The day after?
Well somebody has to shame those bastards and tell them to take a seat.
I’ll probably have to go back to HHR “the day after” just to make them feel worse.
The Democrats are the “left” party and have been essentially since FDRs time .
What would aRight Winger(for some reason in the past that tag has upset you) Like you,ever think that you would even consider being a Democrat?
That’s absurd.
So why would you feel they would “welcome” you.I don’t even “get”:that rather weird point.
Anymore that I would ever be welcomed into the Republican Party.
Your only problem with The Republican Party is Donald Trump.
He goes you’re back in…Fully Back in.
Democrats have moved increasingly left and have become increasingly intolerant of ideological diversity within the party.
A smart party would try to appeal to people in the middle. It’s worked successfully for both parties before in recent history. We are just headed to more polarization with or without Trump.
No, as I have pointed out and as you should definitely know, I have had other problems with the Republican Party as well. There has never been any occasion when I was not willing to criticize the party online, etc.
The other factor though is that Trump aside, Democrats are worse.
I would not be “:fully back” until a list of 10 specific Republicans cry on television.
And Kellyanne Conway has to buy her husband a sports car.
Your whole thing is Trump.
Those problems ,as you call them ,with the Republicans were insignificant until Trump came along.
And they will disappear into never never land when he’s gone.
Why you feel this need to pretend otherwise is baffling.
My thing is Trumpism, in which Trump is course the major part.
but stop pretending that I have not criticized Republicans going back to when Trump was a Democrat. You know I would have never supported a Pat Buchanan nomination, etc.
If he loses, as I have said, there is no guaranty of anything, but at least people like me will have a chance to re-Bushify the GOP.
So if I don’t attend Democratic meetings anymore ,I’m not aDemocrat?
That’s funny.
I would estimate that well over 90% of people in this country who identify with either party never attend “meetings “ of the parties.
You were really getting worked up there weren’t you?
You were saying a few months ago that it was not right to call you a Democrat.
Oh more whataboutism.
Pat Buchanan was never going to be the Republican nominee and you know it.
Gee I wouldn’t have supported Lyndon Larouche if he had become the Democratic nominee!
How much sillier is this gonna get?
I’m not a Democrat,I wasn’t sufficiently supportive of Kavanaugh ,on and on and on…
The only thing that’s keeping you from bring fully back in the Republican fold is Donald Trump.
He goes…Youre back in.
Your “concerns” notwithstanding.
Ah , CG?
We’ll take ur vote FOR Joe Biden gladly 😉
I was being sarcastic poking fun at all this talk you were doing about “not really being a Republican.”
Buchanan did win the NH primary. He was a serious contender at one time. The same also applies though to someone like Ron Paul. I bemoaned the influence of him and his acolytes in the party long before Trump came along.
The party used to be able to come to its senses eventually until Trump.
This still is a weak attempt to look past all the times I have criticized voices with the R party while a couple of you have not come anywhere near as close to doing so in the D party.
but jack, you can always counter and say that in your statewide general election you did vote for a couple of red hat wearing conservatives against the Democrat nominees.
Let’s also remember Jack is in A VERY RED state …
I DO Understand his pessimism…
Oh over the next four years or so?
You’ll be voting and entusiastically supporting many Trump supporters.
Indeed in 2024 you will be voting for the Republican presidential candidate who undoubtedly will have been and maybe will still be a vigorous supporter of Donald Trump
Let’s see Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz, Mike Pence ,just time name a few and lets not forget someone you’ve previously expressed a great deal of admiration for, Nikki Haley, a Trump appointee!
It will be interesting to see how Trump–if defeated–is treated at the 2024 RNC.
I bet Junior, Ivanka and the really dumb looking one are all there and get massive applause. Even if DJT Sr. is doing time.
I repeat….
I do NOT support the idea that after he leaves office that DJT has ANY residual political power…
He will NOT be looked at as any but a loser…
And GOPer lawmakers will be able to throw down at him…
To think that he gives a shit about ANYONE else is to forget WHO Donald Trump is….
Nothing but a self involved loser…
Several times on here I lamented that the Democratic Party did not do nearly enough during Obama’s Presidency to win state and legislative elections.
I was always a fan of Howard Dean’s “50 state strategy” that bore fruit in 2006 and 2008–but was then abandoned from 2010-2017.
Thankfully some semblance of that has been revived.
So that might be a tactical criticism, but nothing at all in terms of ideology or rhetoric/direction, etc?
And should the Mayor of St. Louis resign?
Well I’m center left and the nominees since I have considered myself a member of the party have all been from that wing of the party so…what would I have to complain about?
It’s no secret I’m not the biggest fan of Bernie Sanders or the “Squad”, but I’d support any of them over the Trumpublican Party. I’ve gone back and forth on the primary challenges–even the one within my district.
Not sure what more you want from me.
As for STL Mayor Krewson, I do not think she should resign. But I won’t be supporting her again next year.
24 hours should have been what allowed …
Now she has called the state cops and Fed’s to help her cops ‘retake’ part of her city back from an ‘occupation force’….
With Trump on her case and the city having to go to court to defend her dragging her feet…
She looks kinda stupid…
I got busy and should say goodbye here, but generally speaking, that was all sort of a secret to me. I do not recall you ever criticizing Sanders or the Squad in any way.
I join u Scott in the center left….
Not as left as u probably …
But i keep pointing out Joe Biden IS to the left of his old boss Obama
Scott, you seem center left and James seems center right. I say that because he is so opposed to Kamala Harris who is definitely center left. I think James bemoans Biden being to the left of Obama as much as he says he is okay with that now.
Center left….
Remember what happened to Harris when she jumped on the Medicare for All bandwagon???
Sorry James, you are not center left. Kamala Harris is center left, She will follow the policy that Biden sets out. The way you know you are not center left is that no one on the center left is joining you in your campaign against Harris.
Ok….
I NEVER said she would follow Biden’s policies…
Unlike warren?
She dies not have her own agenda
Now i HAVE pointed to several things that ARE Negatives for her….
DA
AG
Bad Medicare for all roll out during her camping which then flopped
Comes of a bit hard
Debate attacks bothered both Biden’s
She IS at the top of the list
But I would give her Justice…
Not the VP spot..:
It’s ok how u see me
No problem
I KNOW where i am….
Hey RE?
One of my favorite sayings here….
‘People ain’t just one thing’…..
CG?
Jack KNOWS there IS/WAS one…
He’s just countering ….
I know no such thing.
There is a vast difference between a fight for the nomination and a”civil war.”
A “civil war” would be if Bernie and his followers were threatening to bolt the party.Betnie would have announced he wouldn’t support the nominee .Several elected officials were bolting the party.
That to me is a”civil war.”
If you are describing a nomination fight as a “civil war?”
Then the term has no meaning as every nomination fight can be described that say.
And even if you describe it that way…
Bernie lost.
There’s certainly a middle ground or a time before the threats to bolt the party come.
It is hard to deny that there are not serious ideological differences and tactical differences within the party and that the party is much changed than it was 20 years ago.
So that makes a”civil war” in your mind?
That’s weird.
There are always “ideolical differences” in the two parties.
Essentially,using your logic,both parties are in a permanent “civil war.”
“Civil War” is a figure of speech, but again, it is hard to deny that there are not insurgents within your party who have not gained considerable influence in recent years and have no desire to compromise with the “old guard”, etc.
But yes, Democrats have traditionally had more infighting of the two major parties. That doesn’t mean it is still not going on or accelerating.
Oh you’ve always though the Democrats are a bunch of radical left winger.
Whats new?
Yes, and getting more left and more radical all the time.
But nonetheless, if one wanted to compare a primary debate from the 2004 cycle to the one from the 2020 cycle, the latter seems like a meeting of the John Birch Society now.
I mean “former”
Oh, maybe there has to BE signs saying there is a Democratic ‘Civil War’ eh?
Delegates were actually booing your nominee at the last convention (I wish that could have been the case for Republicans) It looked pretty civil warish then. This year, no crowds, so no booing of Biden.
Yes and had efforts to ‘take over’ the convention rules effort…
And where not gonna support biden
And said out loud they wanted Biden to adopt Sanders agenda…
He already has largely.
True statement: “He’s to the left of his old boss Barack Obama”. I agree that the article is the type of media hype we are going to see because it sells. My view is that Biden is like one of those senior statesmen who has lived in exile while his country was under authoritarianism and is brought back as the popular, unifying leader. This leader transitions the country to a democratic system and, often, is able to institutionalize democratic reforms. This leader is followed by those who seek broader reforms.
I agree that James hypes Biden/Sanders just like the media does. James and Jamie Dimon are both “old fashioned” Democrats.
Thank You RE….
The WSJ op ed is your best bet for your sources of information.
Why is James trying to further the dearest aims of Putin’s Russia?, he asked conspiratorially.
There have been civil wars within parties, e.g. the Democrats in 1860 and the Grand Old Party in 1912 and (with less dramatic effects) 1964.
There used to be a very extreme conservative and segregationist wing in the Democratic Party. At that time it was quite possible for a liberal to see a moderate-liberal Republican as more progressive. But that’s long gone.
There also used to be understandably bitter conflicts over the war in Viet Nam, but that was four decades ago.
Sure there’s strongly-felt differences in appeal, approach and policy, featuring inflammatory and counter-productive slogans like “Abolish the Police”, and there should always be room for Democrats and Democratically-inclined voters to choose between market or business-friendly approaches and (a hitherto-smothered) more populist and government-based initiatives.
Not only because the party (unlike the GOP since, say, 1990) has always been a Big Tent, but because each approach may or may not prove valid.
But a legitimate dispute, and even battle, over something like Medicare for All vs Obamacare or financing college educations is just that a dispute. That’s true even if the progressive wing (including but immensely wider than DSA) organizes to increase its power by contesting Democratic primaries — and even if those who disagree with the progressives do likewise.
the DSA has notably refused to support Biden against Trump
Civil Wars ARE disputes my friend…
All wars are…
Joe Biden has announced he will roll back the Trump Republican tax cuts for the wealthy.
Certainly not surprising, but probably another reason people like Johm Boltin and CG cannot vote for Biden.
There is somply nothing more sacrosanct to a Modern Republican than a tax cut for the wealthiest of Americans.
No chance there will ever be a “civil war” in the party over that.
The 2017 tax ‘cut’ was just a give away to the rich and big business…
Doing this would be perfect if Warren was the Treasury Sec….
She’d be good…
The big corporations would unable to dance…
But with the bad economy?
Biden would have to be a careful
Big companies employee a LOT of people
There’s a lot of talk going on in Illinois that Sen. Tammy Duckworth is under serious consideration.
Everybody should have tremendous admiration for her military service and personal sacrifice, but it would be pretty amazing to think she is qualified to be a heartbeat away. It would be interesting though if Joe Walsh had to vote for her.
Didn’t you vote for Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency?
Duckworth has been in Obama’s old Senate seat for as long as he did before he was elected President. And she served in the US House briefly and held a sub cabinet position.
As for Joe Walsh unless he is lying he has committed to voting for the Democratic nominee and said he would have even voted for a socialist over Trump.
Technically yeah, but she had been a Governor. Plus, there was stuff not known until after the campaign. McCain was younger though. I’ve been able to watch Duckworth’s political career from the beginning. Again, she is a true American Hero. Doesn’t mean she would be a good governing or necessarily good political pick for Biden. However, it would be fun to watch her go after Trump and she how he tries to respond.
Also, in regards to her bio, she did hold a position in the Rod Blagojevich (now a Trumpocrat) Administration and ran into some issues there.
and the record is clear that I was very surprised and had tremendous reservations about the Palin pick when it was made.
Although, like most red-blooded conservatives I did fall under her spell for a bit afterwards.
I had no problem with Palin’s limited experience. It was her temperament and behavior that made her unsuitable to be in line for the Presidency.
Of course Palin paved the way for Donald Trump in the Republican party.
It IS common for the VP ‘vetteed’ list to be used as spotlight for some in the party who have NO chance of serious consideration ….