Ok?
If you are a Bernie Sanders person?
Please read this piece in The Washington Post by ….
It will make you happy and does Matt hope you then get up and think about actually supporting ole’ Joe?
If you’re a Joe Bide voters relax….
Most of what Matt wrote IS Bull Shit….
Joe Biden isn’t gonna be a transformational President anymore that Donald Trump could tell the truth….THAT is NOT who Joe Biden was and IS…Nor will the actual people that he hires to run things be that way either…Nor is the American political system built to tolerate such actions…,NOT even for Donald Trump….
Fact is ?…..When Biden will get to be President?
He is gonna have some many fires to put out just to get back to some sort of normalcy …
Remember?
Trump has a government he does care about….
It’s a ghost of what it should be….
Biden will have to hire extensively…
His Attorney General will be busy dealing with ALL the illegality Trump & Co. festered..
There’s a virus clean up Biden’s admin would have to deal with…
There’s a economy he’s gonna have to deal with….
A trade war clean up….
A Immigration reset and reopening….
Putting America’s foreign affairs back in order…
The residual of the worst protests and violence in decades…
Now?
After ALL the above ?
Which will have to be tackled WITH the needs and wants of newly embolden Democrats and Republicans fight a rear based action?
Biden will have just ONE year of a partial honeymoon…
The 2022 midterms will be rushing at him and Democrats will be VERY conscious of the 2010 midterms when Republicans reacting to the ambitious Obama agenda , won the House back and regained momentum ….As with Trump?…America does NOT like ‘transitional politics’….
Does ANYONE think Matt Viser’s Bernie Sanders agenda is gonna have a big place in the end?
REALLY?
Now, in virtual town hall meetings, media interviews, his own podcast and in a rare formal address Tuesday, Biden has pointed toward a transformational era in which government would play a bigger role in curing the country’s public health, economic and racial woes. Far from the incremental administration he promised on the primary campaign trail, Biden now offers Franklin Delano Roosevelt, architect of the post-Great Depression New Deal, as a role model for tackling the damage wrought by the coronavirus pandemic that has killed more than 100,000 Americans and put millions out of work as well as the enduring effects of systemic racism being challenged by a newly energized protest movement….
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Some liberals, while optimistic, aren’t yet convinced.
They see Biden, 77, who as a senator and vice president was known for seeking compromise with Republicans, as a politician from the establishment wing of his party — and they wonder if he is truly changing.
“I heard him say, ‘I’m going to have an FDR-style administration.’ I was like, ‘Whoa. Really? Interesting. That’s not at all what you’ve been saying the last two years or your entire political career,’” said Varshini Prakash, the executive director of the liberal Sunrise Movement, a climate advocacy group.
Prakash and several other prominent liberals, including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), have joined policy discussions with the Biden campaign as members of newly formed policy task forces designed to forge an agenda that would help win over the pro-Sanders wing of the party.
“I’m hopeful,” Prakash said of Biden’s rhetorical shifts and the work being done on the climate task force. “But it’s too soon to say whether it’s real or not.”
image…meduim.com
Strike while the iron is hot.
Almost 70% of Americans think the country is seriously on the wrong track.
The last thing we need now is more of the same. We need more of the sane, but we need some drastic New Deal type change.
I doubt that is gonna happen Scott…
We ain’t even gonna get another stimulus check and the extra jobless $600 a week is probably gone….
The REALITY is Joe Biden will have enough work on his hands ….
The Sanders agenda was and is just a pipe dream…
I just want Trump gone and Biden &Co. to get things going back in the Right direction…
Well you also thought Democrats were going to steer clear of discussions of common sense gun control to avoid angering the 95% Republican NRA.
They didn’t, and they won big in the Midterms anyway.
Times they are a changin’.
Hey Scott?
when was the last time u heard mention of gun control?
That while gun sales have rocked off the charts ?
Sure it’s off the headlines now. But that doesn’t change the fact that the NRA is now an arm of the Republican Party and Democrats have no fear of discussing common sense gun control measures.
Unless you have proof of Biden adjusting his positions on this?
Biden position will be the same as his Obama/Biden admin was….
Background checks, no auto machine guns
But as Obama made ?
Unlike Beto
He will NOT call for taking away people’s guns…
Actually?
The NY AG has done more to hurt the NRA in the wallet then anyone else …
The Sanders agenda is not a pipe dream any more than FDR’s New Deal was a pipe dream. I still think Biden is a transitional candidate not a transformational candidate. He will not choose Elizabeth Warren as VP because Wall Street doesn’t want her chosen.
Transition or transformative, Joes’s the guy we have to elect to start cleaning up this mess.
Patriots will vote for Joe.
Amen Keith…
The choice IS CLEAR….
We are all voting for Joe. He will bring people together.
Agreed ronnie. I think even intelligent conservatives like George Will and David Brooks recognize the need to put their ideology on the back burner, at least for now, to defeat the threat to our nation that is Donald Trump.
Biden is a team builder. He’s not a one man show. So he’s bringing in those with some “revolutionary” ideas on how to manage the current maladies that our nation finds itself in.
I think if he wins, some of you guys will be calling on him to resign within the first year and let the VP take over.
I’ll file that prediction along side that there will be a vibrant third party contender in 2020.
The latter was never a prediction, just a wish.
The first is not necessarily a prediction either, but I’ll go with it. Biden has one job. Considering what became the main alternative, the party chose best. After that, I think there are a lot of Democrats who do not want him to be President or do think he is up to it.
How many Democrats do you talk to?
Because every Democrat I know is going to crawl over broken glass to vote for him, even if he wasn’t their first choice. I’ve seen critics of him slowly embrace and are now enthusiastic about his Presidency.
That said, yes with his age he will be a transitional President.
It’s funny that you scoff at Libertarians. Because you and them have the same college bull session mindset. Talking about stuff that’s never going to happen and finding every fault with all realistic scenarios.
As Keith has noted, it’s a position of privilege. Americans that do not have that luxury and those of us who fight for them will leave it to college Libertarians and….you…to sit on your moral high ground and talk about stuff that will never occur.
The rest of us will accept the reality we have and work like hell to make it better.
Approximately 306. I hear others on tv, etc.
Sure, they’ll vote for him, as I said. They will be happy he beats Trump, assuming he can do so.
Then, he’s going to be President for a bit and these Democrats are going to want someone else than Uncle Joe. Just a hunch.
I am privileged to be an American, as you are. You of course are hypocritical because you have twice voted for non major party options to be President.
Everyone should always proceed in life to satisfy what they view as the moral high ground. We would have a much better society if everyone did that.
If you genuinely are enthusiastic about Biden, that’s wonderful. It seems though like you are trying to give yourself pep talks on here and needing to convince yourself. Just an observation.
I strongly regretted that third party vote in 2000, I stand by it from 1992.
Of course the stakes were never nearly as high as they are now.
Our Republic is very unlikely to withstand another four years of Trump.
Hell I’m worried we won’t make it another four months.
I’m enthusiastic about voting for Biden AND I give myself pep talks because otherwise I’d break down and cry over the damage Trump and his minions have done to this country I love.
I bet we all give ourselves pep talks to reaffirm our own positions.
Like you proudly proclaiming how happy you are to not vote for Biden this year when you found out he’s actually a Democrat and will stand for Democratic values.
What was that if not a pep talk to vote for nothing?
The stakes are always high.
What about 1996? Does that make it three times? I thought you never voted for a winner until 2008.
I’m not happy to not vote for Biden and I am not happy to not vote Republican. I have been very disappointed with politics since 2016. I just feel I have no other choice .
“I feel I have no choice”
Like I said, we all give ourselves pep talks. Yours is to withhold your vote since there isn’t even a third party candidate unlike 1992 and 2000 (1996 I voted for Dole).
Most people who hold that position do so because they are low information or just tuned out of politics. They think it doesn’t matter.
Your pep talk is to convince yourself that in your case it is a principled position.
Knock yourself out
Low info people tend to know they are. I know I am not, and you know I am not as well.
And of course, as you also very well know, the outcome of my state is not in doubt. The outcome of my eternal soul may be in doubt and I am not going to risk anything by formally sanctioning something that I genuinely believe would not be good.
Even if I can “root” for him if there were debates (which there likely won’t be) or on Election Night.
If GWB or Mitt Romney do as you say you want them to, I will be willing to listen to their reasoning and then still make up my own mind of course.
I note though that last time, when it was clear before the election and after that GHWB voted for Hillary, it didn’t mean anything to you people here. He was still attacked on partisan grounds, and in the case of Zreebs, using the rhetoric and unfounded allegations of the Trumpists, who were angry that he voted for Hillary.
Biden can stay for as he wants for my sake
Yeah, you won’t turn on him. I admire loyalty and I will also note that you like the dynastic angle of politics more than anything else. Maybe Scott won’t either (or at least wouldn’t admit it on here), but there will be voices within the party that will say, “ok, he won, We don’t actually have to keep him for four years do we?” Especially since he is claiming now he would plan to seek a second term.
For the record, I would personally prefer a semi-doddery Biden as President instead of a younger, more liberal activist type. I will pray for his health, etc.
You probably should be more concerned about voices in the Republican Party that wonder if they have to wait four years to make Donald or Donald Jr. the official nominee of the Republican Party for 2024.
Biden, health willing, will be President for four years if he wins. There will be four years for the next generation of Democratic leaders to emerge and position themselves to grab the mantle,
He wouldn’t take a one term pledge, which I thought would have been politically smart to do (and I said the same about Bloomberg.)
So, he will start off as a candidate for reelection, since these cycles never really end, so will you support him or oppose him as the incumbent?
Just because he didn’t make a one term pledge doesn’t mean he will run for reelection.
Again the bigger question for you should be what will you do if Trump or Trump Jr. is the GOP nominee in 2024.
My view?
Joe Biden HAS TOO run for re-election….
The call HAS to be made actually in 2021….
The Midterm will depend on it…
Certainly 2023/2024 depends on it…
Biden would become a Lame duck President with a year in office and EVERYTHING would flow to the VP….
VERY DAMN awkward and politically nearly impossible…
Biden should planing for 8 years…he can’t step down until AFTER running and winning the 2024 election…
Bear in m ind?
ALL of the GOPer’s running 2024 will be decades younger than him…
And he will have to be super tired from carrying a screwed situation that Trump gave him…
The Democratic future guys?
IS REALLY rough …
I won’t vote for Trump Sr or Jr. I don’t think one will be the next nominee.
As for Biden, whom was the last first term elected President to not attempt to seek reelection? Polk?
You have to assume he is running. So from Day 1, are you going to be for him or against him? We know james will be for him.
What james laid out is why I think a bunch Democrats will say, after Biden has a celebratory few months enjoying the perks of office, that he needs to step down for the sake of the future of the party and let Madame Vice President take over and prepare for the next election.
Maybe you can write in that Straw Man for President CG.
Like i say in the post?
Biden gonna be too busy just getting stuff put back in place to be entertaining ‘new deal’ and ‘ transforming ‘ stuff,…
Warren WOULD want that…
i do NOT See her as the choice either
If Biden is calling for “revolution” and another New Deal, then I am definitely correct to not vote for him.
Others can feel free though. I am not trying to stop them.
Bull Shit CG…
You’re just acting like the normal GOPer with this comment…
Don’t like Trump…
But don’t like DEMOCRATS MORE.…
So transparent, eh?
“Normal GOPers” as you describe them are voting for Trump. I am not. Clearly you can understand the difference.
Also, do not forget, it was not long ago, when you refused to say you would vote for a Democrat over Trump if Biden was not nominated.
You specifically said you would not vote for Sanders over Trump. You have said you would never vote for Kirsten Gillibrand for any office. So, who are you kidding?
Of course you won’t vote for him CG. You never were. You had fever dreams that the Democrats should just sit this election out and let a Reagan Republican like John Kasich running as an Independent go up against Trump.
Only problem(s) with that
1. The Democrats don’t want that
2. Kasich (or any Republican for that matter) didn’t want that
3. Self described Reagan Republicans don’t want that–They by and large want Trump.
So you are more certain than ever in your decision to sit out this election. So what?
A better question, who are you kidding?
The last time this country was in such bad shape a Republican named Bush ran it.
This is a National emergency and you spend your work days baiting James.
You look for the slightest justification for your pro-Trump voting intentions. You know that if Biden wins by any significant margin he’ll bring in a Democratic Senate and that scares the shit out of you.
But with that Senate and Miss Nancy, Joe Biden will have a good 18 months to enact a sweeping agenda. Can anyone argue that it isn’t needed?
Are you better off today than you were four years ago?
Hey CG?
Biden IS the nominee….
THAT that IS WHO I’m voting FOR
Like I said, patriots will be voting for Biden to save our Nation from the “Bunker Bitch” in the White House.
I just read that Mark Meadows is blaming Ivanka for the tear gas photo op at St. Johns. Daddy isn’t going to like that.
Patriots will vote for Biden and patriots will not for Biden.
That is always how it has worked in America that we accept we live in a democracy where people have different beliefs are are free to make different choices, with only the most self-serving and insecure megalomaniacs like Donald Trump and Keith disagreeing.
There has to be some kind of transformation, because the trends that existed before February are just plain unsustainable even after (if ever) the pandemic and its socio-economic effects have faded.
Tinkering won’t solve the problem of funding higher education, medical care or safe, adequate housing for everyone.
That doesn’t mean that I don’t support the Public Option (as a path to something like Medicare for All on a single or multiple payer basis) or timely relief for student-loan borrowers, or restoring Section 8 and public housing, or raising the minimum wage, or enabling private-sector workers to form and join strong, democratic labor unions.
But as patchwork fixes, they can’t solve the problems.
FDR once quipped that American capitalists would never forgive him for the unpardonable sin of saving capitalism.
He wasn’t a radical or (in the usual sense) a revolutionary. For example, he wouldn’t support Upton Sinclair’s EPIC (End Poverty in California) campaign for Governor in 1934 even though Sinclair, a former socialist muckraker, had won the Democratic nomination.
But he wasn’t on what might call the centre-right of the Democratic Party (confining the right wing to the arch-segregationist ultra-reactionary Southern Democrats). He had been bitterly opposed by Al Smith (Democratic nominee for President in 1928, but leader of the Liberty League in the 1930’s), Speaker John Nance Garner of Texas (who had to be given the Vice Presidency in 1932 and 1936), or the Democratic financier John J. Raskob.
And, given the situation after 1929, FDR had to institute (or at least attempt, the Supreme Court willing) radical changes rather than the grudging, timid, in-the-system efforts of his predecessor Herbert Hoover.
Barack Obama had a strong reformist agenda (beginning with the ACA), but Joe Biden if elected will have to go further and deeper.
I feel ya DSD…
But?
Barack Obama WAS able to get something momentous …
A healthcares program for 300 million American!….
YES!
BUT?
The final program was a COMPROMISE ….
Even WITH the compromise?
It cost Democrats the House…
The other constraint in Congress and time…
No matter what we ALL might want?
The American Congress works slow and has diverse wants…
Obama HAD a majority…A Democratic majority…
Unlike under Trump?
Democrats do NOT fall in line to get things done…
They ain’t even doing THAT right now for Biden…
I understand the calls for going ‘BIG” for Democrats …
But it just IS NOT gonna work I believe…
As I explain in the post?
Joseph R. Biden has a TON of things to do from day one…
There just isn’t enough time and effort that could be marshalled to be very ‘transformational’…
The system just isn’t made to work that way….
Donald Trump IS trying…
But he’s bleeding politically more and more EVERY DAY….