I wasn’t able to watch it….
Here’s the review from Politico…
Buttigieg takes a beating, Biden concedes N.H., and Klobuchar goes big: Key debate moments
The Democratic candidates came out hot on Friday night in New Hampshire, going after each other on issues of race, experience, health care and campaign fundraising, among other things. The target for much of the night was Pete Buttigieg, the former mayor of South Bend, Ind., who posted a surprise finish in Iowa, and has taken heat for much of the week.
Amy Klobuchar was one of main aggressors throughout the night, while the billionaire Tom Steyer also sought to score points on issues like race and climate change, as he polls well in South Carolina. Joe Biden, still reeling from a disappointing finish in Iowa, struggled to find his footing at times, and even went so far as to acknowledge he doesn’t expect a strong finish in New Hampshire.
Here are some of the key moments from the debate:
Biden essentially concedes a poor showing in New Hampshire
Biden’s backers were hopeful that a scrappy new candidate would take the stage and take it to Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders.
Instead, Biden, who finished a disappointing fourth in Iowa, all but conceded a poor showing in the coming primary.
“It’s a long race. I took a hit in Iowa and I’ll probably take one here,” Biden said. “Bernie won by 20 points last time. Usually it’s the neighboring senators that do well.”
Biden, eliding the fact that he once said he would win in New Hampshire and Iowa, changed his tune and said that “I’ve always viewed the first four encounters, the two caucuses and the two primaries as a starting point.”
Warren scores on Buttigieg over record on race
One of Buttigieg’s biggest weaknesses is among black voters, specifically when it comes to his record as mayor of South Bend, Ind. And it’s a record that he didn’t want to talk about when it came to an increase of marijuana arrests among African-Americans when he led the city.
“The reality is, on my watch, drug arrests in South Bend were lower than the national average, and specifically lower than in Indiana,” Buttigieg said, avoiding the question about the increase of arrests over marijuana during his term. He then spoke about opiate arrests and the crack epidemic of the 1990s.
ABC debate moderator Linsey Davis then steered the issue back to the question, noting that arrests of black people for marijuana possession went up. Buttigieg said the arrests only increased in drug cases connected to serious crimes like “gun violence and gang violence, which was slaughtering so many in our community — burying teenagers, disproportionately black teenagers.”
Davis then asked Warren if Buttigieg answered the question.
“No,” Warren said. Applause rippled through the crowd.
“You have to own up to the facts and it’s important to own up to the facts about how race has totally permeated our justice system,” Warren said, pointing out that “study after study now shows African-Americans are more likely than whites to be detained, arrested, to be taken to trial, to be taken to trial to be convicted and receive harsher sentences.”
Buttigieg spars with Biden, Klobuchar over experience
Buttigieg looked to parry criticism that he lacks the experience necessary to be president, conceding that “if you’re looking for the person with the most years of Washington establishment experience under their belt, you’ve got your candidate, and of course it’s not me.”
“We need a perspective right now,” he added, citing his credentials as an openly gay man, a former South Bend, Ind., mayor and a veteran, “that will finally allow us to leave the politics of the past in the past, turn the page and bring change to Washington before it’s too late.”
“The politics of the past were not all that bad,” Biden shot back, going on to cycle through his accomplishments, such as the Violence Against Women Act, the $900 billion Recovery Act and his own early support for gay marriage as an elected official.
“So I don’t know what about the past of Barack Obama and Joe Biden was so bad,” Biden added.
Buttigieg conceded that “those achievements were phenomenally important because they met the moment, but now we have to meet this moment, and this moment is different.”
Note….
There are two other debates this month…
One in Nevada….
The other in South Carolina…
Super Tuesday is less than a month away….
From the Politico narrative it seems that the two guys likely to be around in the end didn’t do much?
image…Politico…
New CNN poll probably has the Tuesday NH vote correct..
Sanders
Buttigieg
Biden
Not good for Biden
Worst for Warren
Props to Biden for admitting the obvious
There has been no Nevada poll for almost a month….
I wonder what the internals show for the top guys ?
A shit load of N.H. polls are out in the last few hours…
The race appears to be fir 3rd place …
Biden and Warren
BTW JACK?
SC poll out yesterday has Biden by double digits over STEYER in 2nd….
Second SC poll had Biden +8 over Sanders…
Joe Biden’s fire wall is holding fine
less than 2 weeks till Nev
less than 3 weeks till SC…
These two will make things SERIOUS
The East Carolina University Poll?
A poll so new that your former buddies at 538 dont even have ranking for?
I wouldn’t put much stock in that.
The Post and Courier Poll ,a poll which concentrates only on S, C.and is closely followed by S.C. politicos, showed Biden with a five point lead and about a week ago.
Biden may still win S.C. but I certainly don’t see it by double digits .Indeed if he does win ?It will likely be fairly close..
However ,a win would be a win and it would certainly revive his candidacy.
Likewise a loss and it will do him in.
This “firewall” you refer to? More like a mass of twigs right now.
Bidens entire campaign right now is riding on South Carolina.
He must Win here.No second. No third .
He must Win.
If he doesn’t ?He should immediately withdraw and ,in my view, endorse Bloomberg.
He needs to win the Nevada caucus also..
Losing that to Sanders would be a one – two advantage for Sanders…
Biden is likely to lose Nevada.
It’s a Caucus State where I can see Sanders doing well and after Iowa, Buttigieg.
The last polls there were almost a month ago and showed a close race between Biden and Sanders with Buttigieg way back..
Iowa ,and with a strong finish in NH(first or second) ,will likely propel Buttigieg past Biden.
Right now?Looks like aThird place finish.
He could still survive a second or third there.
I would hurt him ,but not finish him.
One of Bidens big selling points is that he has the Black vote.Indeed, it is one of the rationales for his candidacy.
If he loses S.C. ,he can’t claim that anymore
So at that point he would have lost in overwhelmingly White voting states and then in an overwhelming Black voting state..
There would no longer be a rationale to continue.
Biden is now essentially tied in Nevada. The Latino vote has now surpassed the black vote nationwide.
I think that Biden has to win at least one of the next three primaries to be considered a serious candidate. And if he finishes third or worse in the first three primaries, then he won’t win in SC.
anybody have a poll to show me for Nevada since the last ones showing Biden with a lead?
The last one I’ve seen was By Suffolk University and was from Jan.8-11.
I don’t think that one has much validity currently.
Yea….
Biden did have solid lead then….
I would expect some closing by Sanders who lost to Hillary by a slight margin ….
It was touch and go i think if my memory is correct….
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/nevada/
538 is NOT based on the polling alone…
They are projecting based on Iowa and other factors as they say….
Sanders leads in their projection , not straight average by .5%
Earlier i said and stand by my feeling that Silver is teaching for Sanders….
But thanks for the link into the discussion…
Sanders does better with latino’s as Biden does better with blacks…
All of the polls for Nev and SC Show the brick wall Buttigieg will run into…
Z?
It IS gonna Biden vs Sanders when the dust clears….
If Sanders should look like he could pull it out?
Look for Bloomberg to come down on Biden’s side i’d think
538 projections are better than polls.
We have had this discussion before, you just don’t understand how they make their projections.
If Buttigieg wins in New Hampshire or even comes in a close second?
That “brick wall” you refer to will crumble like a sack of ashes.
Either you don’t understand the idea of momentum and how perceptions work into presidential campaigns or you’re just a mindless cheerleader .Probably both.
I am voting for Biden in the S.C. primary.
If Bloomberg were on the ballot I would probably vote for him.
Unlike James though,I’m not a cheerleader.I try to be realistic.
Biden is in trouble and gasping at irrelevant polls and engaging in self delusion is a waste of time.His numbers have been declining across the board in reputable polling and his organization appears to be weak.His campaigning has been lackluster and his television appearances uninspiring.These are the simple facts.
Right now ?It is as likely that by this time next month the contest will be among Sanders, Buttigieg and Bloomberg as that Biden will even be still a candidate.
Jack?
Biden IS counting on people like u voting for him in Nevada and SC to get his campaign ‘mo’ back…or started for Super Tuesday…
As for Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar?
I have expressed the view that Klobuchar might be the best GE candidate in the field.I also have commented that her only chance was a Biden collapse.Biden is in trouble.Unfortunately for Klobuchar, Bloomberg entered the race and has displaced her as the likely beneficiary of Bidens problems.
Warren was thought early on to be the inheritor of Bernies Army.Sanders, however, has shown much more resilience and has seemingly fought off Warrens challenge to displace him as the “Left” candidate.Warren needs something big to happen in New Hampshire or Nevada;otherwise, her candidacy will either end or be relegated to a dead woman walking.
Both women will NOT be there nominee…
Klobuchar, with her tired voice, does VERY well in the debate format which is terrible…
Well I presume everyone agrees with that statement.
Trip Gabriel
@tripgabriel
NEW from Iowa Dems:
DES MOINES — Today the Iowa Democratic Party announced it is reviewing reports of 95 precincts – 5% of the 1,765 precincts…any corrections will be released before Monday at 12pm CST in a single update – prior to the allocation of national delegates.
Klobuchar raised $2m after her NH debate performance – and the Emerson poll had Klobuchar had of Biden. She could pass Biden.
Amy Klobuchar is gonna be distant memory in two weeks…
This could very well come down to Sanders vs Biden with Bloomberg standing around for the results…
Sanders will likely be in the race for the nomination. Biden might be too, but that is much less likely.
I’m on Biden vs Sanders after Super Tuesday with Biden on top in the count and the media pundits crying their asses off…
It seems to me that the media likes Biden
James apparently is upset that the “media” reported that Biden came in fourth in Iowa.
And,of course,he Did come in fourth in Iowa.
When the apparent frontrunner comes in fourth?Yeah that’s news.
They have shit canned him from the jump…
A good part of that is because Biden DID stay away from them…
While that worked back in the day?
Its does NOT anymore….
We DO continually get Biden is ‘out’ stories only too have the guy keep going…
Yes AS EXPECTED….
Joe Biden did NOT do we’ll in Iowa….
Nor will he get above 3rd in NH out likely….
But after that?
He should be on his way….
He’s gotten better….
On his way where?
Up hopefully….
A woman in NH today questioned Biden and he called her a “lying dog-faced pony soldier.”
U mean like Trump would say?
Chris Cillizza
@CillizzaCNN
Everything is fine! Nothing to see here!
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Jon Ward
@jonward11
A young woman asks Biden “How do you explain the performance in Iowa and why should the voters believe that you can win a national election?”
Biden’s response: “You ever been to a caucus?”
Woman says yes.
Biden: “No you haven’t. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier.”
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Jon Ward
@jonward11
Biden goes on to say, “You gotta be honest. I’m gonna be honest with you. It was a little bit confusing in Iowa. But let’s assume it was all exactly right.” He talks about how Iowa doesn’t predict who wins states like PA, Michigan, etc.
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Jon Ward
@jonward11
“You have to take the first four as one,” Biden says of IA/NH/NV/SC. “Not a single person has won without overwhelming support from the black community, overwhelming, overwhelming. Ok? … Right now I am far and ahead in the African-American community … it remains to be seen.”
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Jon Ward
@jonward11
Bidens event ended around 1:15. He took photos & spoke with virtually everyone who waited: a solid 45 min, as I’m told is customary. He bent down and kissed the hand of this woman, Shelley Bell, 63, who suffers from Seckel Syndrome. They stuck their tongues out at each other.
I saw the clip. The phrase is very weird, but as weird as it was, I don’t think there was animosity in the comment.
Biden makes a bunch of weird comments. There are Other importent issues than this.
So, at this point, it looks like Biden will most likely finish anywhere from third (U of NH) to fifth (Emerson) in NH and will most likely gather at most 1/7 of the vote. I recall a few months ago, James said Biden May wrap this up by Super Tuesday. If he finishes worst than third on Tuesday, Janes might be right this time – that Biden will wrap up his campaign.
z?
if Biden was to get Nevada, SC, Texas and 2nd in Ca? and ALL the southern state on Super Tuesday ?
Do the delegate math….
yeah – Well Biden winning Nevada is a big stretch just by itself. As of today, Biden is more likely to finish third or worse in NV than win it.
Where do U get THAT Z?
Outta thin air?
that is my opinion. Just as it was my opinion that Biden would not finish in the top two in both Iowa and N.H.
by the way, you most likely will owe me lunch on that bet. Assuming I am right on Tuesday, When can I collect?
Ya’ll need to catch the new Bloomberg “presidential “ Ad.
It’s pretty powerful and has bipartisan appeal.
IF Bernie looks good after Super Tuesday there WILL bet a turn to Money Mike I’d think….
Latest is he has 2,000 on payroll and WILL stay with his efforts thru November….
Seriously?
The Trump people SHOULD be worried about THAT…
Jack, The Bloomberg ad with Romney’s speech?
Here’s the link….
There’s another one
I saw it this morning at Democratic Underground Latest Threads.
It showed various Presidents at their finest moments including,JFK,LBJ, Reagan, GWB, and Obama interspersed with Trump blabbing his most outrageous comments.
haven’t seen it.
His commercials are very effective.
I’ve now seen commercials on WBZ-TV (CBS, channel 4, Boston reaching southern NH) for just about everyone except Biden. I think I may have seen an Elizabeth Warren ad, and conceivably (unless it’s a false memory from 2016) one for Bernie Sanders.
I just saw my first Andrew Yang commercial on Sunday, so all three billionaires (Steyer, Yang & Bloomberg) have made themselves seen, as have Pete Buttigieg, Tulsi Gabbard & Amy Klobuchar.
It’s no surprise that I haven’t seen anything from Michael Bennet or Deval Patrick, who basically no longer count.
Where are you getting this ridiculous idea that Yang is a billionaire? He’s barely a millionaire.
Want a partial explanation as to why Biden did poorly in Iowa? This morning Mayor Pete appeared in 5 broadcasts and Sanders appeared in 4, Biden sent in a pre-recorded interview.
Now each candidate has to go with their strengths. Mayor Pete in particular is good in interviews. Sanders is too. At the risk of an understatement, Biden is not – and voters have to determine if that is important.
My point exactly on Biden starting off with the ole’ Hillary hid in place BS….
THAT just ain’t gonna get it….
Good point Z….