Same thing went on during the last Democratic Presidential nomination run….
Bernie Sanders and his campaign are angry at how a party he doesn’t even belong to0 will run it’s party platform and rules…
Yes….
Bernie Sanders WILL BE having issues with the Democratic establishment, which he is actually running against also…
(Could remind one of the Donald Trump GOP takeover story, eh?)
Some Democratic National Committee (DNC) members and supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) are venting frustration at DNC Chairman Tom Perez over his initial appointments to the committees that will oversee the rules and party platform at the nominating convention in Milwaukee later this year.
Sanders’s allies are incensed by two names in particular: former Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), who will co-chair the rules committee, and Hillary Clinton’s former campaign chairman John Podesta, who will have a seat on that committee.
The Sanders campaign unsuccessfully sought to have Frank removed from the rules committee in 2016, describing him as an “aggressive attack surrogate for the Clinton campaign.”
And Podesta, a longtime Washington political consultant and Clinton confidant, is viewed with contempt by some on the left. One of Podesta’s hacked emails from 2016 showed him asking a Democratic strategist where to “stick the knife in” Sanders, who lost the nomination to Clinton that year after a divisive primary contest.
“There’s a very small number of appointments of allies to Sen. Sanders,” said Yasmine Taeb, a DNC member from Virginia who has not endorsed a candidate in 2020 but attended the 2016 convention as a delegate for Sanders.
“The appointments also include individuals that are outright hostile to Bernie Sanders and his supporters,” she added. “It’s not the message the DNC should be sending to the grassroots right now when we’re all working aggressively to defeat the racist in the White House.”…
Of course Sanders is a Democrat – look it up. And unlike you he has promised to vote for the Democratic nominee. So as far as I am concerned, he is more of a Democrat than you.
Sure Z
The part that lists Senator Bernie Sanders as the INDEPENDENT Senator for Vermont?
Bernard Sanders is an American politician who has served as the junior United States Senator from Vermont since 2007. The U.S. Representative for the state’s at-large congressional district from 1991 to 2007, he is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history and a member of the Democratic caucus.
Wikipedia
Being a member of the caucus does NOT mean he’s a party member….
He had to join the party to run for President. He did do last year.
SO?
After all the talk here about being a Democrat?
I’m the ONLY one who IS a money paying one with the DNC?🙄
Looks that way.
So the rest of us are “independents “ I presume?
?
Hey?
My point is simply that ole’Bernie ain’t part of the party….
But yet he has the most intense popularity in the party and looks as likely as anyone else currently to win a Presidential nomination. Go figure.
I think james shows a double standard though since Michael Bloomberg declared himself an “Independent” during his time as Mayor of NYC and said he was formally leaving the Republican Party. That means he wasn’t a Republican.
Bloomberg WAS a GOP mayor of NYC….
I’m waiting for the op-Research pictures of Bloomberg glad-handing Trump….
No double standard ….
Wait and see
I will general another of my ‘ I Told ya So’s’
But people DO paint a BROAD labeling thing everyday here and in the political discourse here and in the media ACCORDING TO ONE’s Political PARTY…
Bloomberg was not nearly as close to Trump as Hillary once was.
CG?
There ARE pictures of the Clinton’s at Donald’s wedding and there ARE pictures of Money Mike at Trump AND OTHER propionate GOPer’s smiling….
I seem to remember a former Jersey Governor having pictures of himself and the Democratic President NOT doing him any favors?
Actually using the criteria that is used here.
I’m Not a Democrat.
SC has no registration by party.I have not been to a Democratic Party meeting in the last twenty years or so.I have no license plate or other identifying emblem on my car.I only contribute to candidates in local races which are usually non partisan.I sometimes criticize prominent Democrats.In the past week, I have criticized AOC and Elizabeth Warren .
I usually support Democratic policies and feel that it would be better for the country to have aDemocratic President instead of Donald Trump.
AsAdmiral James Stockdale famously said in the Vice Presidential debate in 1992,
Who am I?
What am I doing here?
LOL Jack, I guess I wouldn’t make the cut either using this story as a guide. I even voted for a Republican here in California once, and when I lived in DC too.
I guess this also means that you didn’t go to Joe Cunningham’s beer festival either then? It looks like it was fun. Joe is on my contribution list this year.
Back to the story. I actually support the reforms that were outlined at the last convention and think the new Chairman is doing a good job. I find it amusing the Nina Turner is offended about Barney Frank, she hates the old “fairy” as she once called him. But, this story is so much “indoor baseball” as Bill Daley used to describe it. And, it’s important to remember the Sanders folks were given a huge roll in writing the Democratic rules and platform last time, and then people like Nina Turner and Cornell West (who served on the platform committee) promptly went out and endorsed Jill Stein.
But, that’s ancient history, right, until it isn’t of course.
I think we all need to keep our eyes on the prize of defeating Donald Trump and his Republican enablers. Who are now trashing John Bolton, not that the old fuck doesn’t need trashing for trying repeatedly to get us into wars. But, no one I know thinks Bolton lies.
Now the Senate Republicans think they can just read Bolton’s book as testimony. These people are down right treasonous.
I find this whole question of who’s what beyond ridiculous.
I hope Cunningham is re-elected.The Republicans are coming after him with all they’ve got.Their presumptive candidate is Nancy Mace, a State Legislator.Her claim to fame is she was one of the first two women to graduate from The Citadel, the formerly all male military college in Charleston.Six years ago she was one of the challengers to Lindsay Graham in the Republican Senate primary.
She’s a better candidate than Katie Arrington but Cunningham remains popular in Charleston.
Will likely be close again.
When Barney Frank and Bernie Sanders were serving together in the U.S. House of Representatives, I was always perplexed by their antagonism (or at least Barney Frank’s hostility towards Bernie Sanders.
Not only did their fiercely anti-corporate views, well to the left of the prevailing Third Way agenda, seem very close, but both were immigrants to New England from the Mid-Atlantic (Sanders was born in New York City and Frank in Bayonne, N.J., just across the Hudson from the City) who never discarded their accents.
Frank did say once that he was not a socialist but a capitalist, although the difference between Frank’s anti-bank policy seemed indistinguishable from Sanders’ to the untrained, non-expert eye.
Perhaps Keith knows more..
Hillary WAS RIGHT….
The Democratic establishments is. NOT. gonna let. bernie Sanders have the party without a fight….
I agree with DSD ‘s analysis of the Frank-Sanders feud. The two men have a noticeable dislike of the other – and it is stronger on the Barney Frank side. Frank’s sarcasm towards Sanders was every bit as hostile as we have come to expect even from James.
Some of the appointments encouraged by Sanders have turned out to be terrible choices. As Keith indicated, Cornel West did eventually endorse Jill Stein, although I don’t recall Nina Tuner doing so. Nina Turner was offered the VP by Stein, but she turned it down. Keith Ellison was another horrible choice who was promoted by Sanders.
Which leads me back to Barney Frank. Barney Frank is both brilliant and talented, but I fear he will also be one of the biggest impediments to uniting the party in 2020 after the nomination fight is over. Perhaps Frank can change or already has changed, but ultimately the best committee people are people who can work effectively together for the good of the Democratic nominee. Count me as someone with severe doubts about the selection of Barney Frank.
Bernie Sanders does NOT want to unite the party….
A indepnedent …
He wants to take the party to the HARD Left….
He wants to INCREASE TAXES….
He wants to do things counter to what more than HALF of the parties people want….
For some of us?
Most of what Sanders has been trying to sell for the last few years simply is NOT what we want….
Wikipedia says he is a registered Democrat. Sanders has pledged to support the Democratic nominee if it is not him. And he worked hard for the Hillary campaign – even if she was totally ungrateful and blamed him (and others) for her failures.
Sanders consistently scores at or among the highest favorability ratings among Democrats. But people such as yourself who prefer Republican talking points don’t like him much.
The Wiki piece lists Bernie as an Indie….
Which IS what he is on the record…
He hangs with the Dem’s….
Stick to the facts….
I do stick to the facts. Here is a cut and paste from the wiki piece on Sanders,
Political party
Democratic (2015–2016; 2019–present)
Sorry that the source you referenced doesn’t make up shit like you do.
The EXACT read back….
Bernard Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is an American politician who has served as the junior United States Senator from Vermont since 2007. The U.S. Representative for the state’s at-large congressional district from 1991 to 2007, he is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history and a member of the Democratic caucus. Sanders ran unsuccessfully for the 2016 Democratic nomination for president and is running again in 2020….
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Caucus memberships
Sanders was only the third senator from Vermont to caucus with the Democrats, after Jeffords and Leahy. His caucusing with the Democrats gave them a 51–49 majority in the Senate during the 110th Congress in 2007–08. The Democrats needed 51 seats to control the Senate because Vice President Dick Cheney would have broken any tie in favor of the Republicans.[148] He is a member of the following caucuses..
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Starting in November 2015, in connection with his presidential campaign, Sanders’s announcements suggested that not only was he running as a Democrat, but that he would run as a Democrat in future elections.[356][357][358] When challenged by Clinton about his party commitment, he said, “Of course I am a Democrat and running for the Democratic nomination.”[359] Since he remained a senator, elected as an independent, the United States Senate website continued to refer to Sanders as an independent during the campaign and upon his return to the Senate.[360] He confirmed at the end of the campaign that he remained an independent in the senate for the balance of his term, since that was how he was elected.[361]…
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In October 2017, Sanders said he would run for reelection as an independent in 2018 though he was pressured to run as a Democrat.[368] Sanders joined Vermont’s Liberty Union Party in 1971 and was a candidate for several offices, never coming close to winning election. He became party chairman,[56] but quit in 1977 to become an independent.[369] In 1980 he served as an elector for the Socialist Workers Party.[370]…
More…
You and Bernie can dance….
But the guy’s an Independent US Senator from Vermont that runs with the Democrats , but goes his own way….
In what specific way does he “go” or “run” in a different direction than the base of the Dem party?
By the way, Biden yesterday refused to commit to supporting Sanders as the nominee. Sure, he probably would if it comes to it, but the fact that all these party establishment types are refusing to say so now is very telling.
CG?
You ARE being funny on Trump vs the Dem establishment right?
Funny how? How am I funny to you? How do I amuse you?
Just saw this question.
Bernie and Barney never liked each other as far as I can tell. It was actually openly talked about by staffers from both offices and others on the Hill.
Both have huge egos. Both are smart and ambitious.
I think truly that it all stems from the fact that no one felt particularly close to Bernie, he isn’t popular with his colleagues and that’s common knowledge, and lots of them resented Bernie’s “it’s my way or the highway.” Something happened early between the two.
I recall a conversation my old boss had with some of his colleagues about Barney when Frank was going through his little “scandal” of the boyfriend who was turning afternoon tricks while Barney was at the House of Representatives. One of them, I cannot recall which one, had been in the hospital for a serious operation and received a visit from Barney on several occasions. He said of Frank, “other Members would have been in my office measuring the space to see if they wanted to move in after I was gone, Barney came to visit.”
Barney may be publicly abrasive, Bernie is privately abrasive. Lots of folks want to have a drink with Barney — Bernie not so much.
I had a theory that staff takes on the personality of their boss in their business interactions. Folks like Nina Turner, Cornell West, and even Jeff Weaver are miserable to deal with on a professional level. And, of course, those are some of the people who are so critical of the folks the Democratic National Committee selected to plan the convention.
Having said that, if Bernie is the nominee, I’m all in. I would rather have an abrasive President than a fat orange Tony Soprano wannabe.
James, I did a cut and paste – just like you. Go to the box to the right under the category “Personal Details”. And “Political Party” under that.
If you think the wiki piece is wrong, then request to change it. Until then, it will continue to correctly state that he is a Democrat.
No problem….
He IS listed in Congress as a Independent…
The piece has several directed and linked quotes of him as a Indie….
Of course u can believe whatever u want…..
I always want to believe the truth – whatever it is. Do you?
I try Z….
But on Bernie?
We simply do NOT agree…
And if he’s the nominee ?
We’re fucked with another 4 years of Trump…
I don’t think that any of the Democrats either will definitely beat Trump or will definitely lose to Trump. But I am actually more convinced now than six months ago that Sanders would be a strong nominee – and perhaps even the strongest – and I am serious. Bernie has a stronger populist support than any of the other Democrats. He is definitely not the choice of college educated voters, but most college educated voters will still support him over Trump. The truth is that Hillary can whine about him, but it only makes him more popular with those who dislike Hillary – and most Hillary voters will vote for Sanders anyway. Only voters such as yourself would consider voting for a corrupt, lying, immoral, and clueless Republican who encourages hate and division over Sanders.
RNC, etc, is sitting on hours and hours of video of Sanders going back decades that have never been unearthed.
As he has never been in a national general election, nobody has ever had to use that stuff against him.
Look at what “happened” to John Kerry. What do you think is going to happen for a guy who will be on tape praising the Soviet Union and expressing his belief their system is superior to the U.S.?
His supporters would have absolutely no idea about what would be coming if he actually wins the nomination.
Others DO…..
But don’t worry, James agreed with you last year and he agrees with you now.
The main reason I was wrong on Trump is I thought Hillary wouldn’t be as horrible as a candidate as she was.
Hillary lost far more than Trump won. That is very clear from all states’ exit polls. People disliked and distrusted Trump in huge numbers and still enough voted for him to win those swing states. A more “normal” Republican would have won much bigger.
So, james and I disagreed on the force of Hillary as a candidate.
And besides james, I think just about everyone else here agrees that Sanders would have a much tougher time winning than an alternative. That is why nobody is even thinking of backing him in a primary. So, it’s not just me.
But I am also seeing online now that pro-Trump people, without a Republican primary to take part in, want to take Democrat ballots to try to help nominate Sanders. They definitely think he would be the easiest to beat. I happen to agree, which is why I will plan to vote strategically in a primary for Bloomberg or the most viable non-Sanders.
I’m not worried about Trump trying to tie Sanders to the Soviet Union. In fact, I would welcome it.
Recall how, unlike me, you said that Trump couldn’t get elected. Hell, you even said he couldn’t get nominated! If you are wondering why you got that so wrong, it is because you failed to appreciate the populist appeal of Trump- just as you are failing to appreciate the populist appeal of Sanders. This may surprise you, but most people know Sanders is a socialist – and they mostly know exactly what means.
Right populism will always beat Left populism.
I deplore populism in general.
and actually I don’t think most people know Sanders is a socialist or what that means exactly.
You can’t he a populist if you champion tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans.
But totally free college and totally free health care for the wealthiest Americans… that’s just fine.
I stand by my assertion that among Democrat primary voters, Sanders easily is ahead among those with post-graduate degrees.
Warren would lead among those with post-graduate degrees. And I bet she would lead by a lot.
Maybe a couple months ago, not sure anymore.
If we want to limit it to just college professors.. Bernie by a landslide!
Democrats have done very poorly in recent elections on winning the poorly educated white vote. Sanders doesn’t have to “win” that demographic to get elected.
Neither of us will convince the other on this.
I don’t see Sanders doing as well with the “poorly educated white vote” as you do. He will do better with the Ph.D white vote.
You think he can actually win over a ton of Trump voters? Against Trump? With people thinking the economy is strong?
How many Hillary voters from 2016 will find themselves unable to vote for Sanders? Can you really afford to lose those voters?
Democrats will have to make up their own minds, but everything I know about politics indicates that nominating Sanders would be a monumentally bad idea for a party that wants to actually win and should have a chance of winning.
Bye for now.
Sanders doesn’t do well among educated voters- of which we here are all educated. Sanders also does poorly among older voters- of which we are disproportionately older.
Your explanation that Hillary was a poor candidate doesn’t explain why Trump easily got nominated – even though you were saying that wasn’t possible.
You seem to be thinking about the primaries while I am talking about the general election.
If Sanders gets nominated, it will be the same sort of dynamic that nominated Trump. People being told that the “system is rigged” against them and propelling them to rebel against the establishment/elite. It’s very possible this will propel Sanders to the nomination but I don’t see how that will help him in the general.
There are a couple paths that would be best for Democrats in the general election. One would be greatly increasing turnout among African-Americans and other minorities. We would have to surmise from the primaries that Biden would be better equipped to do that.
The other is to follow the path successfully used by Democrats in the 2018 midterms and appeal to centrist pro-business types in the suburbs to move even further away from potential past Republican voter behavior. Sanders doesn’t seem to be a very good bet to that either.
If Sanders is nominated, his general election rallies might have way bigger crowds than any other potential nominee. He has his loyal cadre of supporters of course. But what matters is votes, and he would probably get far less than Biden, Buttigieg, Bloomberg, Klobuchar, or basically anyone else.
I happen to agree with CG on the Sanders phenomena….
I think it be WILL quite similar to Trump’s….
Presidential candidates of BOTH parties run on change…
Donald Trump IS trying to do exactly what he was elected to do…
Sanders will only seek to go to the other extreme throwing the country 180 degrees….
Of course they have different policies views
except on trade, foreign policy isolationism, entitlements, etc. etc.