They Know what they have in their party leader in the White House…
Don’t matter….
They have turned their backs on who they where and what they stood for….
And they want their supporters to accept ‘their guy’ even if he’s the President and makes shit up for them to chew on….
What will they do when he leaves the stage?
Fox News host Tucker Carlson called President Trump a “compulsive self-promoter” and a “full-blown BS artist” while seeking to defend him against negative media coverage during his show on Wednesday night.
During the segment on “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” the Fox News host noted that fact-checkers at The Washington Post have documented more than 13,000 false or misleading statements Trump has made since taking office in 2017.
“One of the reasons progressives say they hate Donald Trump is because he lies a lot,” Carlson said at the start of the segment. “Trump, they’ll tell you, is a committed liar.”
“As the Post points out, the lying began at the inauguration. Perhaps you remember this claim, which, at the time, deeply offended official Washington,” Carlson said before going on to play a clip of Trump claiming that his inauguration drew the largest audience “ever.”
“We’re not going to lie to you,” Carlson said. “That was untrue. The crowd at the 2017 inauguration was not the largest ever measured on the National Mall. Sorry, it wasn’t.”
“Why did the president claim it was? Well, because that’s who he is,” the Fox News host continued. “Donald Trump is a salesman. He’s a talker. He’s a boaster, a booster, a compulsive self-promoter. At times, he’s a full-blown BS artist. If Trump hadn’t gotten rich in real estate, he could have made a fortune selling cars.”…
image….thedailybanter.com
New Open Thread is HERE….
Thanks for the open thread idea Jack….
Morning People…..
To me the most telling moment of the Republican carnival rally in Florida was the woman in the second or third row wearing a shirt that said JESUS on it laughing and applauding when Trump said “bullshit”
At least when I was a kid evangelicals pretended to be paragons of moral virtue.
Now they flaunt how full of shit they are.
Not with Trumpism….
The second coming, eh?
Former Vice President Joe Biden called for “restoring the soul of America” in his Thanksgiving message to Americans on Thursday.
“Our campaign is about restoring the soul of America by recognizing that our differences are precious and our similarities infinite,” the White House hopeful said in a statement with his wife, Jill. “This Thanksgiving, let’s come together, declare who we are, and lift up each other. And it starts with saying thank you.” …
More…..
This is actually a significant development.
Carlson is widely watched by Right Wingers.Even some of them have ,at times ,been discomfited by Trumps lies.Now?One of their media heroes is instructing them that it’s ok if Trump is a pathological liar.Doesnt matter
And the rabble nods in vigorous agreement !
From reports….
Kamala Harris’s campaign is on the verge of collapse.Internal dissension and poor campaign decisions have roiled it.
Apparently they are going “all in”in Iowa in hopes of making a good showing then moving on with some momentum.Thats probably another bad decision!
one of Harri’s top people has jumped to Bloomberg….
One would assume there will be no missed paydays with Money Mike….
Harris might want to save face now. Drio out. Claim that her efforts could be better served in voter registration and organization. Make herself a viable VP candidate.
VP or Atty Gen?
According to Political wire Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp plans to appoint businesswoman Kelly Loeffler to the Senate to replace Johnny Isaakson.
Trump has been asking him to appoint Rep. Doug Collins–a staunch defender of the President.
Stay tuned.
Except for some things with the military?
Trump has been losing his touch that he never had….
Morning All….
I’m watching a National Geographic episode or Running Wild with President Obama in 2015 walking thru a forest with Bear Gylls….
Can U image Donald Trump without a suit walking off the beaten paths?
Palmer Report
@palmer
Donald Trump’s day so far:
– Hasn’t tweeted in 26 hours
– Maybe he fled to Moscow
– House impeachment hearings resume this week
– Trump-Sondland Sept 9th phone call never happened
– The coverup is unraveling in real time
– Trump is going to prison
– It’s still only 10:30am
CG’s exhaustive rundown on all 20 candidates (2 R, 18 D) who hope to replace Donald Trump:
http://cgpolitics.blogspot.com/
CG’s piece is remarkable in that it is exhaustive in it’s coverage….
Liberal Democratic leader Jo Swinson forcefully advocates immigration in the UK General Election debate. The last two embedded video clips, — about immigrants and the NHS — converted into campaign ads are quite stirring.
https://www.libdemvoice.org/jos-best-bits-from-the-bbc-debate-62771.html
… For me, it was hearing her celebrating immigration that made me happiest. “Immigration is a good thing,” she said, “in fact, immigration is a brilliant thing.”
Elaine Bagshaw
@esbagshaw
“Immigration is a good thing. In fact immigration is a brilliant thing”.
Yes, finally, a national party leader stood up and said that on TV 👏👏 @joswinson #BBCDebate
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All in all, a very good job by our leader.
Immigration is hot subject around the world….
It will become an even bigger issue due to global warming as some marginal places now become esssentially impossible for human life.
Morning All….
Yes indeed….
There HAS been a mass migration from the Middle East to Europe of the American type as from South and Central America here…..
Senator John Kennedy (In The Cult-La.) says ,with no evidence whatsoever, that the Ukrainian government assisted Hillary Clinton in her presidential run in 2016.
In a party of Trump ass kissers Kennedy and Graham really stand out for their complete sunservience.
Note that prior to Trump, these guys would be considered moderate by Republican standards.
True. Kennedy was a Democrat until 2007.
And the fact that theclikes of Kennedy and Trump”left”the Democratic Party should be asource of pride for Democrats.
Amen Jack on no love lost from us Democrats on those two….
Yes and it points out the effect Trump is having on the Republican Party.
All this “talk” about how Republicans “really” don’t like him, wish he would go away etc?
Well if that be true?Why are so many Republicans now simply imitating Trump,just Lying,out and out ,no effort to even pretend, and implicitly asserting that in theirv “war” with libruls?
Nothing is out of bounds.
Meanwhile they will all be in “church” on Sunday because after all they are “good “ people.
I STILL feel that most Republican lawmakers do NOT LIKE Donald Trump as they kiss his rear….
And the fact that senators who are considered moderate by Republican standards are willing to go on national TV to blame Ukraine for interfering in our elections is a sign that Republicans aren’t going to change after Trump. It is so preposterous on so many levels that a country that is arguably dependent on the US for its survival and is engaged in a civil war would use its resources and risk everything to interfere in our elections.
I might disagree with ya Z on post Trump GOPer’s…
He’s the centre stage act…The entertainer…
Some of us believe that the party will certainly survive…
But will have a period wondering around a bit shell shocked….
What would this change when Trump’s strategy clearly works with their base? Why wouldn’t the next Republican president demand loyalty from Republican senators the way this one did and threaten all who opposed him.
And perhaps of more importance, if the Republican Senators followed Trump – who is obviously immoral, incompetent and corrupt – why would they not follow the next Republican President with the exact same fervor.
Because the NEXT Republican nominee will be NO match for the foolery of Donald J. Trump….
Trump campaign to blacklist Bloomberg News
The big picture: It’s a reaction to Bloomberg News’ announcement that it would no longer do investigative journalism on 2020 Democrats, following the entry of Mike Bloomberg into the presidential race…
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You have no way of knowing that.
Look we all understand this certain”empathy “ you seem to possess for the Republican Party.
Actually it’s sort of insulting.You seem to believe they are like children.The big bad wolf (Trump) has lead them astray and when the wolf is gone?Why these Republicans will simply revert back to how you seem to think they ought to be?
Dumb.
Zreebs remarks were spot on.Yours?BS with no evidence whatsoever but your “wish.”
Might be dumb….
But?
Trump IS the pack leader
And without him?
I ‘m betting they WILL be messed up for a while and some may even come to their senses
In the end Jack….
There needs to be some sort of move back to compromise
Not for Trump…
But for EVERYBODY ELSE
“Might be dumb”
Well at least you got something right in your otherwise inanaepost.
Uh ,you’re “betting?”
There’s some real “facts” for you!
Well Jack ?
Ain’t nothing gonna get done that way things are now….
House has 400 bill’s passed on to the Senate that are just sitting around…
THAT isn’t the way things should run….
Well you better understand what has happened to the Republican Party rather than posting things that are demonstrably not true.
Morning…..
Polling side bar updated….
Biden cruising…..
Sanders eclipses Warren who seems to be losing steam…
Bloomberg moves in to 5th place with an amazing 4% ‼️
Jimmy Carter Back in the Hospital
The 39th president was treated over the weekend for a urinary tract infection and “is feeling better,” his spokeswoman said. Mr. Carter, 95, has endured several medical issues in recent months…
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The Boston Globe
@BostonGlobe
During a meeting Tuesday, President Trump asked French president Macron if he wanted to take “some nice ISIS fighters,” and Macron replied in English, “let’s get serious.”
Trump at a London NATO meeting showing how out of wack he is with the rest of America’s ‘friends’?
Trump is seems usually more comfortable with Leaders of China, Russia, Turkey and North Korea?
Leaders do NOT want to kiss Trump’s ass anymore….
BREAKING…..
Kamala Harris throws in the towel….
She is out of the race for the Democratic nomination….
Post later…
Steyer HAS qualified for the December debate….
Booker is begging for more money….
Today’s plea deal for Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) means that the first two members of Congress to endorse Donald Trump for president in 2016 will be convicted criminals.
Hunter and Rep. Chris Collins (R-NY) both backed Trump in February of that year.
Politicalwire…
“America’s Friends.”
Most Republicans wouldn’t describe those you are apparently referring to as “friends.”
Republicans now largely follow the Trump line in foreign affairs as everything else.
Your vain attempts to claim differently not withstanding.
Spare me Jack….
YES…..
Most GOPer’s would follow the guy off a cliff….
The few who won’t are in hiding….
Or up front and watching their backs..,.
Your so called “upfront” neverTrumpers” are mostly a motley crew of fairly insignificant Republicans who have received outsized media coverage.
Take Charlie Sykes.Before introducing himself as a “NeverTrumper?” He had a radio show in Milwaukee. he has transformed himself into a national figure.Good work if you can get it.
Rick Wilson is another
“NeverTrumper.”Introduced usually as a Republican “strategist “ Wilson was mostly known to work on Florida campaigns but has made a real name for himself with this gig.
I have no problem with these guys really but let’s recognize that neither is a power within the Republican Party .Their role could be played by just about anyone who wants to put “R” by their name.
Actually my old antagonist CG who has been MIA of late could do as good if not better job than they do.
Morning people….
Breaking….
Trump is about to send up to 14,000 US troops BACK to the Middle East…..
Post later….
Is the first of several reversals?
We also see a new line from Republicans that not only is what Trump did not impeachable,it’s not even wrong.
This represents a change from a few weeks ago when the line was that he shouldn’t have done it and yes it was a “mistake.”
Now Congress. Doug Collins(InTheCult-Ga.) says that Trump didn’t do anything wrong and was simply “concerned” about corruption in Ukraine.
As we all know Trump is the type of guy very concerned about corruption !
I guess when you’re the “chosen one”( see Perry,Rick) ones work is never done.
The new bull shit lines seem to be three fold….
Mainly to let Trump supporters know the GOPer supporters KNOW that they are kissing Trump’s butt….
And?
To make Trump feel better…
On backgrounders the reports STILL are that Trump is wrong….
And lawmakers can read polling numbers in their districts/states
Former Congressman and Admiral Joe Sestak has dropped out of the Presidential race.
Are there still 17 left?
Joe Sestak announced Sunday evening that he is dropping out of the 2020 presidential race, leaving the total number of Democrats left in the field at 17….
Axios…
Montana Gov.Steve Bullock has ended his presidential campaign.
Bullock never gained any traction largely because he never was well known and the “moderate”side of the spectrum was coopted early on by Joe Biden.
Too bad really.
Bullock uniquely had shown an ability to win in a deep red state.
Unless you are extremely well known or exceedingly wealthy, it is not realistic to start your campaign late – as Bulloch did.
I agree with Jack that he would have been a good candidate this election. This is one election we have to win – for our democracy’s sake.
Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, who pitched himself to Democratic voters as a campaign finance reformer who could win in red states, is ending his bid for the party’s presidential nomination….
More…
Do you begin your day by checking your Twitter feed for the latest political outrage out of Washington? Do you jump on Facebook to cheer or boo, argue and debate? Do you rage to friends and family about President Trump — or the Democrats opposing Trump?
If so, you might be engaging in “political hobbyism,” according to a new book by Tufts University political science Professor Eitan D. Hersch, a Providence native and 2001 Classical High School graduate.
While political hobbyists tell themselves they’re informed and engaged, Hersch warns that there’s a downside to their activity and it’s a poor substitute for the real work that leads to political power.
In the book — “Politics is for Power,” which comes out Jan. 14 — Hersch reports that one-third of Americans spend at least two hours a day on politics. But four out of five say that activity involves TV news, podcasts, social media – and not a minute of real political work.
Hersch says treating politics like a game – like an outsized Red Sox/Yankees rivalry – makes politics worse by encouraging politicians to feed “the red meat of outrage to their respective bases.” And, he says, “Hobbyism is a serious threat to democracy because it is taking well-meaning citizens away from pursuing power. The power vacuum will be filled.”
The book provides examples of ordinary people making extraordinary impacts on their communities by getting involved in politics. And it suggests five ways to be politically active: Do it in person, do it with friends, do it with empathy, do it locally, and do it forever.
“My whole life I’ve heard Rhode Islanders complain about corruption and dysfunction in state and local politics,” Hersch told the Globe. Listening to podcasts or following the drama in Washington won’t bring about the needed change, he said. “If you really care, you need to be willing to engage in the slow and steady process face-to-face.”
— from “Rhode Map”, The Boston Globe’s daily newsletter for Rhode Island.
Morning All……
Thanks DSD…
Post coming up on this…
300+ Trump ads taken down by Google, YouTube….
60 Minutes…
BBC’s poll tracker as of yesterday (Tues 3 Dec). The General Election takes place on the Thursday after tomorrow or December 12th.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49798197
Party
Average (%)
Likely range (-4% to + 4%)
The combined +/- 4% margins could stretch the Tory-Labour range from as close as 38-36% to as far as 48-28%. As in the U.S. Electoral College, these percentages of the national popular vote wouldn’t translate directly into the number of Members of Parliament belonging to each party. The British electoral system is notorious for under-representing smaller parties such as the Greens (and for many years the Liberals) whose vote is spread out fairly evenly across the country (as opposed to concentrated nationalist or unionist votes in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland).
CONS
42
(38-46)
LAB
32
(28-36)
Lib Dem
14
(10-18)
Brexit Party
4
(0-8)
SNP (Scottish National Party)
3
–*
Green
3
(0-7)
Plaid Cymru (the Welsh Party)
0
–*
UKIP (UK Independence Party)
0
–*
The Independent Group for Change
0
–*
Ole’ Boris looks good…..Maybe?
A fundraising letter sent last week by congressional candidate George Buck (R) suggested Rep. Ilhan Onar (R-MN) and other Democrats should be executed, the Tampa Bay Times reports.
The lengthy email repeated an unsupported accusation that Omar secretly works for the country of Qatar and should be gravely punished for it.
Said Buck: “We should hang these traitors where they stand.”
Politicalwire
Recent Tweet from Nate Silver
Endorsement points in November:
Biden 20
Harris 6
Buttigieg 6
Bennet 5
Castro 4
Warren 3
Bloomberg 3
Sanders 1
everyone else 0
Actually, Biden’s best month since his launch in April, and a pretty bad month for the rest of the field.
https://53eig.ht/2L9kdC5
Biden Cruzin…..
Nate Silver
@NateSilver538
538 national polling average for Dec. 4, 2019:
Biden 26.0
Sanders 16.2
Warren 15.6
Buttigieg 10.1
Bloomberg 3.8
Yang 3.2
Klobuchar 2.2
Booker 1.6
Gabbard 1.4
Steyer 1.3
Castro 1.1
Patrick 0.7
Bennet 0.6
Williamson 0.5
Delaney 0.4
Good Morning People….
Whew!
A reporter got Pelosi ‘pissed’ asking if she ‘hates’ Donald Trump…..
Post coming on her presser….
Pam Keith
@pamkeithFL
Trump is going to be impeached
The GOP is likely to acquit him… UNLESS…. we give them a reason NOT to.
In short order, we will have a timeline for when we need to show up in DC.
Mass protests of a scale never seen before is the ONLY thing that CAN make a difference.
Is this coming?
This is funny.
She really believes that some people “demonstrating “ will somehow cause twenty something Trump Senators to desert him?
Get real!
Corny!
I agree…..
But just like the impeachment itself?
I’ve come to theses things as important to state opposition to Trump and Co. actions…
Well she seems to think it might change Republican minds and that’s absurd.
I doubt that Pelosi thinks that….
I feel she had no way too stop the train that progressives and the media sent at her….
The twitter woman is one of them that just wants Trump gone….
I hope she votes next November instead of just tweeting and running her mouth…
But protests are fine…
Good actually…
But again?
People HAVE TO VOTE‼️
Election Projection still has Trump losing both the popular and EC vote right now for next year by a good amount…
Morning All….
And i’ll have a piece on Biden in Iowa mixing it up with guy in audience ….
According to Political Wire,talk of Nikki Haley replacing Mike Pence as Trump VP candidate has fizzled.The move,apparently being pushed by Ivanka and Jared Kushner, is no longer regarded as a plus by Haley in pursuit of the 2024 nomination.
The new court ordered reapportionment map in North Carolina should net Democrats two additional House seats.
YES!
Nikki Haley has offered a weird defense of the Confederate flag She says that it represented “sacrifice and heritage” until “hijacked”by Dylan Roof.
In other words before this obviously disturbed fellow came along,flying the Confederate flag was ok with Nikki.
This is unsurprising.
Haley always likes to have it both ways.
This is nothing more than an effort to placate Trump Cultists in the south who like this Confederate hogwash.
Oh and this is what passes for a”moderate” in today’s Trump led Republican Party.
I’m guessing most Republicans are just fine with Haley’s assessment of the Confederate flag.
She should spend some time off the beaten path in her state…
Where is CG to bring up SC Democratic politicians from 20-30 yrs ago who were pro Confederate flag.
Most of the guys are dead now or in nursing homes.
However ,a noted survivor is State Senator Hugh Leatherman ,who at 85yoa ,remains the most powerful legislator in the state.
He is of course now,a Republican.
The GOPer’s don’t last here….
The quick list of dropouts….
CG…?
SE….
Daniel….
NYCMike….
The HHR posse….
And a thrown out guy….
Add Kyle Rice to the list of retiring Republican contributors.
Both he and CG were genuinely enthusiastic about Mitt Romney, even before he won the GOP nomination.
Trump is concerned about how many times people are flushing their toilets.
Trump is ONLY concerned about HIMSELF….
I agree the jury is in Trump’s pocket….
Unless there is a snow storm at the equator…
Again?
I think it is GOOD that this is occurring …
Congress DOES show it CAN do something Trump has to stand and watch if he gets over….
There real suspense is the Supreme’s call on Trump’s pre-Presidency taxes….
Current countdown:
Saturday, December 7, 2019 TODAY
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Wednesday, December 25, 2019 18 days, or 2 week(s) & 4 day(s) until Christmas 2019
Monday, February 3, 2020 58 days, or 8 week(s) & 2 day(s) (presumably) until the 2020 Iowa Democratic presidential caucuses
Tuesday, February 11, 2020 66 days, or 9 week(s) & 3 day(s) (presumably) until the 2020 N.H. presidential primary
Tuesday, November 3, 2020 332 days, or 47 week(s) & 3 day(s) until the 2020 General Election
Monday, January 4, 2021 394 days, or 56 week(s) & 2 day(s) until the 117th Congress sits
Wednesday, January 20, 2021 410 days, or 58 week(s) & 4 day(s) until Inauguration Day, 2021
Morning People….
Thanks DSD…
I will post ur countdown up a bit later….
Polling sidebar updated…..
Biden almost 2-1against the field….
Warren gets a good poll in Ca, moves ahead there for now….
Trump vs Biden RCP 13 states?
Biden ahead in 11….
Only Iowa and Texas Trump leads….
Mohammed is now the tenth most common name for boys in the US.
None of the top 10 names for either boys or girls was popular when I was a kid.
America IS changing no matter how HARD Trump and Miller are trying to keep it what it was.…
Morning People….
(1) This is the 104th comment on this open thread. Probably time to cut a new one.
(2) CG’s political prognostications this week chiefly consider Kamala Harris, candidate diversity, the Trumps. and Joe Biden’s temper.
http://cgpolitics.blogspot.com/
Will do DSD….
As to CGs commentary?
Not bad ,except for his criticism of Bidens ability to “unite the country.”
Does anybody believe that if Donald Trump is defeated , his followers are going to “unite” behind Biden or any other Democrat for that matter?
Quite frankly that “unite the country” stuff is just media pablum that is drug out every four years for some “feelgood” backslapping for media types.
Meaningless.