As expected…
The story is leaking out piece by piece….
Was there a quid-pro- quo?
Was money involved?
Or was it just a political effort to make Trump look good?
…..A person familiar with the whistle-blower’s complaint said it involved in part a commitment that Mr. Trump made in a communication with another world leader. No single communication was at the root of the complaint, another person familiar with it said.
The intelligence official filed the formal whistle-blower complaint on Aug. 12. Such a complaint is lodged through a formal process intended to protect a whistle-blower from retaliation.
Though it is not clear how exactly Ukraine fits into the allegations, questions have already emerged about Mr. Trump’s dealing with its government. He spoke on July 25 with President Volodymyr Zelensky and said he was convinced that Ukraine’s new government would quickly improve the country’s image and investigate corruption, which “inhibited the interaction” between the two nations, according to a Ukrainian government summary of the call.
Mr. Trump’s close allies, including his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, were also urging the Ukrainian government to investigate matters that could help Mr. Trump by embarrassing his political rivals, including former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.
According to government officials who handle foreign policy in the United States and Ukraine, Mr. Giuliani’s efforts created the impression that the Trump administration’s willingness to back Mr. Zelensky was linked to his government’s readiness to in turn pursue the investigations sought by Mr. Trump’s allies.
Mr. Giuliani said he did not know whether Mr. Trump discussed those matters with Mr. Zelensky, but argued it would not be appropriate.
The president has the right to tell another country’s leader to investigate corruption, particularly if it “bleeds over” into the United States, Mr. Giuliani said on Thursday. “If I were president, I would say that,” he added.
Around the same time, a separate issue was brewing. Congressional aides and administration officials who work on Ukraine issues had become concerned that the White House was slow-walking a military assistance package for Kiev, according to people involved in an effort to free up the assistance….
And where are the elected Republicans on this?
The GOP lawmakers are gonna say away from the media that the DNI HAS to go and say something to the House Dem’s….
Out loud?
They will mostly be silent or have Trump’s back….
What happened IS that Trump made the calls and offered things…
Rudy G is ALSO in this…
And Barr, his AG is again, covering his rear…
Trump just held a ‘presser’….
I think Rudy is suffering from advancing senility.
His weird remarks whereby he contradicts himself every few minutes are happening with increasing frequency.
I don’t understand why the cable networks continue to have him on.
The left will say Rudy is senile. The right will say Biden is senile.
Troubling news for bald men everywhere..
In the meantime, I’m stuck in an office without one working printer that I can easily have access to…..
At least I’m not bald or senile.
Patience…
Rudy is in a universe farther than Trump’s…
or he’s doing an act deliberately… maybe he is much smarter than Trump.
Trump is the one who wanted to testify to Mueller,.,
This is impeachable as hell. The House needs to do its job and demand answers.
Republicans ought to do their”job” and denounce the Leader of their party,demand that the House impeach him ,and then have all the Republican Senators standing behind Mitch as they pledge that if the allegations are proven they will vote for removal from office.
Now that we have had our fairy tale moment for today,let’s move on….
Republicans don’t run the House. They can’t set the vote.
Set the vote, see how they vote, and judge them accordingly then.
What I am referring to specifically in this situation is the subepeona power House Democrats have.
They should demand to know what the whistleblower was concerned about and what was actually said. They should demand the Administration not cover anything up. It is doubtful it involves classified information, but if it did, there is a process for that too.
*If* Trump literally did something illegal, after years of being investigated and supposedly “cleared” of collusion with a foreign government to influence an election, the House has a Constitutional responsibility to act, irregardless of the politics, and frankly, they should be able to use the politics to help themselves too.
With Trump and Barr?
‘Demands’ don’t mean Shit….
They drag everything to court if Barr can’t just upfront shit can anything…
I’ve said this before…
Trump IS winning the short game…
(But doesn’t actually get most of what he wants)
But WHEN, not if he exits the stage?
It WILL be interesting…
*If* he did what we are willing to believe he did involving Ukraine and Biden and his opposition cannot score great political points over it… I don’t know what that says about the party.
Democrats need to stop being wimps in this regard. Why should partisan Republicans expect to do anything when they see the Democrats being nothing but pansies?
What Republicans will vote to impeach and it remove Trump?
Present the evidence, if it exists, and see.
One thing should have nothing to do with the other.
*If* he promised something to Ukraine in exchange for them going after Biden for political reasons, it is a pretty cut and dry case. Goes well beyond anything Nixon or any other President would have ever dreamed of.
If Trump gets away with it without any effort to hold him accountable (and maybe even gets reelected), who knows what another President one day may try.
Ah?
THAT IS Exactly what Trump wants….
As with Mueller….
The evidence presented gets attacked…
With Barr and McConnell NOT acting on anything ?
All charges are disposed of…
Only NYS has got a piece of Trump…
But again?
He exists ?
He’s gonna have problems come home
No guilty person wants to be put on trial if it can be avoided.
Trust me.
This could possibly be the gift of all gifts for Democrats.
It is simple to understand and if it actually happened, it is a whole lot more cut and dry and easy to prove than the years spent on Russian collusion.
But instead, Democrats are worried people will actually want to look into the Biden situation too so they will divert to something a teenage boy might have possibly done in the 1980s that nobody can even remember happening.
Demand that the transcript of the call be released to the public.
If anything was classified (which is doubtful), it can be redacted.
Yeah haha,
Nice talking point
He, he, he….
THAT IS funny!
There will be NO impeachment on Trump or Kavanaugh…
Removal will be voting ONLY….
This has nothing to do with Kavanaugh. Democrats already embarrassed themselves there.
If Trump literally did something illegal in this regard a month or so ago, action has to be taken. Waiting until the next election is not appropriate checks or balances.
And maybe the AG needs to appoint a new Special Counsel.
Bill Barr appointing a “special counsel” to “investigate” Trump?
Damn the comedy here never stops.
Well, it is Friday afternoon.
Is CG already drinking since his printer isn’t working?
CG I think you shoukd go to your local GOP meetings and proudly proclaim that Trump should be impeached.
And let us know how that goes.
I didn’t want to get up that early on Saturday mornings when I was happy with the party.
How effective are walkers and canes as projectiles?
My point is that in order for impeachment to be successful Republicans minds need to be changed.
So get to work!
Sounds like Democrats need to change their minds first.
Since this has only been in the news for a few days, how do you know what the Democrats are going to do?
Republicans?We Know What they are going to do.
Back Trump of course.
Since nobody seems to believe otherwise, I must be the only one here who thinks that Trump offering a quid pro quo to a foreign government in exchange for them going after Joe Biden or any political opponent is illegal or an impeachable offense.
I’d probably be the only one on HHR too.
How do you know this all isn’t “fake news?”
We need to find out.
Do you think it might be? Are you taking Trump at his word?
I saw Rudy on tv last night and I read what Trump said today at the presser.
They are all but admitting he did it.
Right now Democrars are split on the effectiveness of impeachment. If 100% if them sign on do you expect Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell to join along?
Hahaha!
The proverbial,
When Hell freezes over.
Shouldn’t matter. There is a process for all this. The House is the Grand Jury and the Senate is the jury. One step at a time.
Crime is crime. There might be a reason why Democrats are considered soft on crime.
I guess that means every elected Republican in Congress is “soft on crime” then if not removing this President is tge definition.
Silly.
Ive heard several Republicans quoted today already saying what a problem this would be if true.
Democrats need to take the lead (since they are the majority) in finding out what is true.
Your party sure can’t make the case that Republicans are being soft on Trump when you are doing the same thing.
Lead by example. Don’t give them an excuse. Politics101.
What Republicans are saying that?
Adam Kinzinger had a detailed statement.
George Conway knows what is up with all this of course, You guys are trying to give aid and comfort to his wife.
And “ your” party is led and controlled by Donald Trump.
That’s all we need to know about “your” party.h
Not soft on crime.
They KNOW Trump is a liar and a croak
but he’s THEIR GUY!
You Tripping CG!
Trumpism has NO following process…
Just giving the finger with the advice ‘see us in court’ ….
There will be NO impeachment for Trump , Kavanaugh or even Barr…
Trump and his people OWN McConnell , the Senate and even any Democrat in a Trump state or district…
Pelosi knows this….
Nadler knows this even if he tries to make some Dem’s in safe districts happy…
The fact is ?
The GOPer’s are mostly running circles around the dem’s in Congress …
Democrats should stop talking impeachment and work their assess off to get out the vote in safe Blue area’s and the edges in Purple and Red area’s like they did in last years midterms..
Trump MUST be beat in the ELECTORAL COLLEGE not just the popular vote which he’ll probably lose again…
It’s the LONG GAME that counts…
Democrats get the Congress and the White House and thEY can STOP fucking up among THEMSELVES we have a short game…
It’s just like that in the REAL🙄
Winning over the hearts and minds of those who have sold their soul to The Trump?
That’s a huge weekend chore you’re demanding of Corey on top of his weekly Prognostication.
About as easy as persuading Dr Faustus away from the lures of Mephistopheles. (Is this the face that launched a thousand drones?)
Kinzinger and Conway are the “several Republicans saying this will be a problem for Trump if true”
Get back to me when it’s McCarthy, McConnell and Graham saying that.
That’s being too selective. We will see what they have to say. (I know McCarthy yesterday said people shouldn’t get carried away.)
My question is simple.
What are Democrats afraid of? Why would they not want to do anything possible to find out what happened and then act accordingly?
McCarthy?Yeah there’s a profile in courage.