If the House actually gets to articles of impeachment vote and approval….
(Something House Speaker Pelosi does NOT want)…
The reality IS there will be NO vote to convict President Trump of anything…
For the 100th time….
There needs to be 67 Senator’s to vote to convict….
There are 53 Republican Senators and several Democratic Senators will NOT vote to convict either…
This whole thing as about over 100 House Democrats that are riding a media wave against their House leader and most Americans wish NOT to impeach Trump as bad as he comes across in the last 3 years…
Apparently, Nancy Pelosi spoke with Mitt Romney yesterday before going public and Romney told here there is Republican support in the Senate for impeachment.
Well,that “support” doesn’t include Lindsay Graham(InTheCult-SC).Hes read the transcript and has announced his full support for Trump.
That ,I suspect, will be the typical Republican response to all this.
Indeed, Its thoroughly possible that a sufficient number of Senate Republicans take that position in the next few weeks (34 or more) which would make convicting impossible and make this impeachment inquiry superfluous.
I cannot understand the logic in saying that something so critical is superfluous unless immediately successful.
That is certainly not how Dr. King approached activism.
Again, let’s assume this winds up where the House votes for impeachment and this heads to the Senate for a trial…
House members tend to not be that vulnerable, especially not in general elections, based on how polarized we are and how districts are comprised. So, the vote will mostly go along party lines and impeachment will pass.
The Senate however, which is only up every six years, and where more Senators are theoretically at risk of losing in a general election, will follow the polls and public opinion?
If Trump becomes deeply unpopular and a drag on the political fortunes of others in the party, the party will turn on him. That’s simply how politics works. It would have been the same case for Bill Clinton a generation ago. As soon as that scandal broke, the media and all the “old hands” among the Democrat punditry thought he would have to resign. That is before they realized that the rules hand changed and the public could be convinced of something that would never have flown before.
Will enough Americans care that the President basically conducts himself as a mob boss and will abuse his office in order to go after anyone in his way? That remains to be seen. It certainly not mean that people should just throw their hands up in the air and let him or any future President get away with it.
I Think Graham’s position will be that of most Republicans in Congress and the Republican public at large.
That’s where the battle for hearts and minds comes in.
Those who were elected on a platform of opposing Trump need to at least try.
They should have a strong case to make here.
How many Republicans in Congress were “elected on a platform of opposing Trump?”
Essentially zero.
That’s how politics works.
Democrats had a big 2018 midterm for a reason. We have a two party system (which is what you say you prefer in all circumstances) for a reason. This should be their battle to lead. History will judge how others in the other party reacted to it.
History might well “Judge”
But with the votes of the Republican Senators Donald Trump will remain President.
And despitev all this rhetoric?
That remains the political reality in 2019.
And again-
If so?
So what?
Is it the right thing to do or not.
If you are purely looking at this from the 2020 aspect, unless you think Trump did nothing wrong (or that this is going to turn out horribly for Biden as a side effect), how would this process not hurt Trump?
I guarantee despite their public bluster an impeachment is definitely not something Trump and his people want.
Trump himself called Pelosi yesterday and offered to “work something out.” To her credit, she said no.
Donald J. Trump and his enablers in the government HAVE been doing numerous things WRONG and probably illegal….
But as I keep pointing out?
Trump has the position of President, The loyalty of his AG and a sacred US Senate majority to afford him a get out of jail card…
They HAVE out manoeuvred the Democrats, No Doubt….
How have Democrats been out-maneuvered?
Democrats have cards they have not even played. You simply want the Democrats to lose on this, stubbornly.
Democrats should though be better at asking questions of witnesses at public hearings.
Impeachment is based on legality ….
BUT?
In process is actually purely POLITICAL….
As you point out Jack NO prosecutor is gonna pass up and indictment if they KNOW a jury would not convict…
Trump does NOT have to actually commit any crime for a House indictment…
The vote in this case is purely about party membership NOT a verdict that would be based on a crime…
It’s actually not based on “legality” although I clearly think a case can be made that Trump has taken part in an actual crime in this matter.
And yes, there is precedent, the Republican House voted to impeach Bill Clinton and tried the case knowing that they were not going to get a conviction (and realizing had they gotten a conviction, Al Gore was probably going to be unbeatable in 2000). They still determined it was the necessary thing to do.
It seems like you guys just want all this to pass by without any notice, because one day a Democrat will be President and you want them to be able to do anything and everything “because that’s what Trump got to do.”
Ands the Republicans fruitless efforts where rewarded with Bill Clinton’s approval numbers CLIMBING….
Pelosi was around for all that…
A LOT of those clambering for impeachment where NOT…
She is smart….
She’s gonna do whatever she can to NOT help Trump get a possible second term…
Do you expect Trump’s numbers to climb over this? Yes or no.
Clinton’s party lost the White House in 2000 (even amid perceived peace and prosperity, when historical trends suggested they should have won easily) because people became fatigued with the sleaze associated with Clinton.
I think the horse is already out of the barn. The transcript that was released is not going to mollify Democrats, nor should it. The whistleblower going public will also make it worse for Trump.
A vote will be held and it is impossible to see it not getting 218 yes for impeachment.
Your only hope is that Mitch McConnell decides the Senate will sit on it until after the election. That would be wrong.
Don’t need to sit till the election….
Just to Feb 2020 primary season…
I don’t get what you are trying to say there.
If there is a trial, it will be next year, during the campaign. The country can handle it.
This has nothing to do with “activism” or Martin Luther King.
As requires constant reiteration impeachment is both a legal and political process.
If the above scenario occurs (and it very well may) ,that’s the equivalent of a jury telling a prosecutor that no matter what you present we will not convict.And yes that makes prosecution superfluous as it obviously is not going to be successful.
Apparently ,you support the process just for the sake of the process,even knowing that it would have no legitimate chance of success.That is a strange position to take.Since, in this scenario, the “legal” action would be a nullity ,then the prosecution thereof would devolve into a straight political battle.
Then ,maybe again, that is exactly what you desire?
Maybe the term I was looking for was “justice.”
What is that saying about the arc of justice?
This should be about the Constitution, not polls. Period.
If it’s part political as you concede, how do you know it has no chance of success?
Politics should be about doing the right thing. For those who are being represented today and for generations unborn.
Historically, we have always had a change in parties as well whenever an impeachment or a near impeachment occurred.
What I “desire” is for the American people to recognize what is right and what is wrong and to make their voices heard. I cannot help but to try to be an optimist and believe that will happen and the result will be the Constitutional removal (or resignation) of the worst stain upon the Presidency ever to exist.
And despite your best efforts to obfuscate the situation, let’s get down to it shall we?
When you use the term “American public” what you really are trying to say (without admitting it ) is
“Republicans.”
Republicans, Democrats, Independents, everyone.
Why would it be anything else?
And it’s not like I haven’t supported an impeachment before when the polls were against it and the end result was all but certain. It was still the right thing to do and my respect for the Constitution is not transactional.