Hillary Clinton got close….
But mostly male non-college voters in several state’s helped hand Donald Trump a wild card win…That after eight years of a Black/Mixed race President….(Is that one of the reasons’ Trump won?)
Republicans do not even entertain the notion of a serious nominee for President…
This time?
There are several Democratic women candidates that could earn the nomination should Joe Biden fail to keep his lead…
Can one of those do what Hillary Clinton could not?
A good amount of the world’s democracies HAVE elected women to lead…
Can America?
Some people whisper it, some apologize for it, and some are very careful to mention their neighbors — their neighbors would be the ones to ask.
“Do you really think a woman could be elected president?”
In ways subtle and overt, Democrats keep hearing that same question, even days after debates where Senator Kamala Harris commanded the stage and Senator Elizabeth Warren dominated the policy discussion.
It’s the anxiety of a party still carrying the scars of its 2016 defeat.
“My colleagues, some have said that to me, and I just have to push back and say, ‘Wait just a minute,’” said Representative Barbara Lee, a California congresswoman, who worked as a young organizer for former Representative Shirley Chisholm’s 1972 presidential bid. “I’m just quite frankly shocked to still hear them in 2019.”
Three years after nominating the first woman in history to head a presidential ticket, nearly six months after a wave of energized women swept Democrats into power in the House, and as a record number of women run for president, the party finds itself grappling with the strangely enduring question of the electability of women — and with the challenge for the candidates of refuting it before it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Of course a woman can….
The question is more when?
As requires constant reiteration ,Trumps victory was by a very narrow margin and Clinton showed hereself to be a flawed candidate in many respects and ran an ,in retrospect, overly cautious campaign.
Oprah would win.
she is smart enough to not run…..
a win for her would NOT be assured…
Bill Maher ,who I watch occasionally, has consistantly boosted an Oprah candidacy.
Apparently though ,Oprah either doesn’t want to endure a campaign or even want to be President.
As I remember it, there are 6 women in the top 20 (those who debated last week), or 30%.
The five female legislators (legislatrices?) posed for a photo-op last week:
Senators Warren, Harris, Gillibrand and Klobuchar plus Rep. Tulsi Gabbard).
The sixth female candidate is Marianne Williamson. (If Jerry Brown was “Governor Moonbeam”, how would one characterize her?)
Warren and Harris are only first or high second tier women…
I do think there are a small number of voters who would never ever vote for a woman for President.
I do thonk that number gets exponentially smaller with every election cycle and almost every single one of those voters would never vote for a Dem0cratoc Presidential nominee in the 21at Century.
I believe that a sizable number of older Obama voters, who always vote Democrat for every other race, including many African-Americans and Latinos, and including men and women alike, just were uncomfortable with the idea of a female President, especially one of a certain advanced age.
So, those that did not vote for Trump likely stayed home.
Eventually, this factor will fade away.
“Of a certain advanced age”
Trump is one year older than Hillary Clinton.
I would have no qualms voting for a woman but my point is that there are older Democrats (specifically African-Americans and Latinos, who maintain a old-fashioned preference for or belief in a patricharchial society) who did not vote for Hillary for that reason.
I completely disagree with the idea that anyone who voted “sexist” never votes Democrat.
There may be a few, but the vast majority of people who “maintain a old fashioned preference for or belief in a patriarchal society” are conservative Republicans in the 21st Century.
And you have reached that conclusion from what specific data set?
There are people on both sides who feel that way of course.
The instances of sexism from the left in the attacks on Sarah Palin in 2008 were certainly impossible to ignore.
I do believe a female Presidential nominee has a higher bar to clear than an African-American for this reason, and I think people of all political stripes have reached that conclusion before as well.
The same data set that you reach your “conclusions “ from.
My opinion like you have yours.
She ran a crummy campaign and was way too cautious.She did a poor job of turning out Minority voters in the three states that cost her the election.
Further, if Nikki Haley would oppose Donald Trump in the Republican primaries your alleged “worries” about a female candidate would disappear in the snap of a finger.
I don’t know what you are saying.
Of course I would vote for Nikki Haley to be President over Trump (and Democrats.)
I have voted for a female for every possible office (except the Presidency itself) thus far.
At least you don’t call Haley the “little girl” anymore. It’s been years!
I don’t recall referring to Nikki Haley as a “little girl.”
If Scott ,DSD, James, Zreebs,Keith or anyone else here but you says that I did I will accept that I did.
Actually it sounds more like something Keith might have said.
I remember it from years ago (you said she would be defeated in a primary for reelection ) and years ago I found it in the archives, and you said that you didn’ remember saying it, but but there it was…
The archives are all gone now.
Keith would have said worse.
I remember you saying about a year ago that you would never vote for anyone who voted for Donald Trump.
Yet, now you say you would vote for Nikki Haley , aTrump appointee.
Big deal.
I don’t think I said “ever.” Was I maybe saying that in the context of a theoretical primary race in which a NeverTrump candidate was running.? If so, I would go for the NeverTrump primary candidate most likely.
I am not sure exactly what you are referring to but I might have said I was not going to vote for an extra-Trumpy midterm candidate. None existed where I lived that got nominated.
I will say though that I have changed my thinking in a way about down ballot races after seeing how the Democrats acted on Kavanaugh and now after the “all Democrats must even oppose the Hyde Amendment edict.”
For something like Congress, I might have to theoretically hold my nose and vote for someone just because they have an R next to their name, simply to do what I can to counter the Democrats, in all but the most extreme examples (i.e. Roy Moore or Steve King).
I feel though at the Presidential level I can be more stubborn.
RBG gave Kavanaugh props for hiring all women law clerks
I’ll tell you exactly what I’m referring to.
In one of your rages back then you said I would never vote for a Republican.
I then said that I had voted for Molly Spearman the Republican Supt Of Education In S.C.
Apparently you googled her and found out she had supported Trump(like Wow!).
You then sanctimoniously declared you wouldn’t vote for anyone who supported Trump.
Yeah we all knew it was BS.
And as you point out the archives are gone.
Ah ‘tis ashame!
I said I wasn’t voting for a pro-Trump Republican (like the two you voted for). There were none on my ballot for the general election.
For an inconsequential statewide election that was already easily decided, I probably would not have voted for them though because of Trump.
But If I had to choose between Nikki Haley and Elizabeth Warren or Nikki Haley and Bernie Sanders for President (and this would be a tremendous relief if I actually could), yes, I would vote for her and maintain my criticism of her for coddling Trump.
Most of the archives for this site are still available at that link to the Wayback Machine (Internet Archive).
If you’re fishing all the way back to the discussion forum for Politics1, then you’re going back over a decade, which is a stretch.
About a sixth of the Politics1 Discussion Pages (which closed in 2007 or 2008) can still be retrieved (via weird links to defunct storage sites) through the Wayback Machine. I still kick myself from time to time for not saving all of them before the second storage site closed down.
¶ But in one sense, that’s a blessing because they include someone’s baiting Kyle Rice’s struggle to reconcile his sincere faith with his sexual identity (while CG, I and Moderate Mark–despite our own different religious and political beliefs—urged the baiting to stop). But that, too, was over a decade ago and probably best sent down the Memory Hole.
I would not know how to go about finding *any* of the P1 comment archives. I would love to see them. Especially Election Night 2004.
The person who was the worst to Kyle regarding all that is one of the handful of people who posts on here of course.
i agree on the higher bar..
and i agree with Jack That Hillary wasn’t the best a woman to win
Wow, you sure were saying otherwise that entire cycle.
It will be interesting to see how you turn on Biden.
About as interesting in seeing you on Election Night.
Does anyone here believe CG will “secretly “ be pulling for a Democratic “leftie”to win?
Somehow I believe the faded echoes of the old Dick Nixon fans shouting “Four More Years” will be sounding in his ears.
Well, I won’t have $1000 bet on the line this time.
No, I won’t be shouting “Four More Years” in any positive way.
If I can be excited about anything, it will be that the Democrats lost, but I still think I want to see Trump lose more than that. It’s not up to me.
Maybe the Cubs can win the World Series again next year (and this year) right before the Election, so I can be distracted.
Gambling is a bad habit…
You should be glad you lost!
Let me tell you, CG, from personal experience in 2004.
I and my fellow Rhode Islanders were all ecstatic when the Red Sox won the World Series, but that was only a slight balm when George W. Bush (unpopular in most of New England) won re-election a week afterwards.
Scott?
Hillary Clinton lost by only a few thousand votes in enough states to lose an election that she won the popular vote by millions….
it doesn’t take a lot of people against the concept of a women President to keep it from happening
I don’t think Hillary Clinton lost the election because she is a woman.
The race being as close as it was, Hillary Clinton lost the election for literally dozens and dozens of reasons.
It is certainly true that a significant number of Obama voters voted for Trump (which I think was essentially countered by the McCain/Romney voters who voted for Clinton), but also of more significance, the numbers of Obama voters who simply did not vote, many of whom were African-American and Latino.
I agree and that is why she lost,not because she is a woman.
So back to the original question…
Can a woman be elected President today?Yes she can .Her victory or defeat will depend on the same variables present in any campaign.
The point I am making is not complex.
There are older voters. Men and women. Certainly older white voters, but also older African-Americans and Hispanics, who were troubled by the concept of a woman President.
With the white folk who feel that way, they may vote heavily Republican to begin with or they may tend to be more mixed in their voting behavior.
On the contrary, it is very likely that these older African-Americans and Latinos are far more likely to be Democrats, which is what Hillary was, and thus she was hurt in her base by her gender.
(For the record I do not think these specific voters would have been keen on voting for a 75 year Jewish socialist either.)