I didn’t get a chance to see the whole debate…
I had something to do with overseeing Census workers sign-ups….
Here’s a look from Politico ….
Low-polling candidates who need a big night to sustain their struggling campaigns wasted little time going after the top candidates on Tuesday night’s debate stage.
Former Maryland Rep. John Delaney and former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper opened the debate attacking Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren for their liberal policies, setting the stage for a spirited debate over health care.
Here’s a look at the key moments of the two-hour debate on CNN:
Sanders to Delaney: ‘You’re wrong’ on Medicare for All
Former Maryland Rep. John Delaney used his opening statement to bash Sanders’ and Warren’s progressive policies, branding them as a surefire way to cost Democrats the general election in 2020.
“Folks, we have a choice,” Delaney said. “We can go down the road that Sen. Sanders and Sen. Warren wanna take us with bad policies like Medicare for All, free everything and impossible promises that’ll turn off independent voters and get Trump reelected.” He went on: “Or we can nominate someone with new ideas to create universal health care for every American, with choice.”
Given a chance to respond, Sanders said to Delaney, “You’re wrong.” Sanders said he believes health care is a right, not a privilege, that he will fight for.
“I’m right about this,” Delaney shot back, advocating for a universal health care system that gives everyone basic coverage for free but doesn’t take away private health insurance.
Warren added that Democrats aren’t trying to take away health care from Americans. “That’s what the Republicans are trying to do,” she said. “And we should stop using Republican talking points in order to talk with each other about how to best provide that health care.”
Dems battle over border policy
Warren and Sanders defended their positions on decriminalizing illegal border crossings. Warren said the current criminalization statute gives President Donald Trump the authority to separate children from their parents and detain people at the border.
“We need to continue to have border security, and we can do that. But what we can’t do is not live our values,” she said. “The point is not about criminalization. That has given Donald Trump the tool to break families apart.”
Sanders insisted that as president he would end Trump’s “demonization.”
“If a mother and a child walk thousands of miles on a dangerous path, in my view, they are not criminals,” he said. “They are people fleeing violence.”
He added that as president he would convene the entire hemisphere to discuss why people are willing to walk thousands of miles into the U.S. to flee their home countries.
Progressives versus moderates
The liberal and moderate candidates sparred over electability, arguing over which mold of candidate has the best chance of defeating Trump in November.
- Sanders: “Well, the truth is that every credible poll that I have seen has me beating Donald Trump, including the battleground states of Michigan, where I won the Democratic primary, Wisconsin, where I won the Demoratic primary, and Pennsylvania.”
- Hickenlooper: “I think if we’re gonna force Americans to make these radical changes, they’re not gonna go along. Throw your hands up! … You can’t just spring a plan on the world and expect it to succeed.”
- Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan: “I would just say Hillary Clinton was winning in the polls, too. To take a snapshot of the polls today and apply it 16 months from now, whenever it is, I don’t think is accurate.”
- Warren: “There is a lot at stake, and people are scared. But we can’t choose a candidate we don’t believe in just because we’re too scared to do anything else. … I don’t understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States just to talk about what we can’t do and shouldn’t fight for.”
Democrats respond to Trump on race
Democrats were asked to respond to Trump’s repeated attacks on minority lawmakers and community leaders, including a House committee chairman and four progressive congresswomen.
Note…
The last parts of the debate I saw had Warren and Buttigieg sounding good…
The moderator’s did NOT let the contestants talk past their time, which I think is partly wrong…
The debate isn’t completely over I may add to this post….
image…WashPost
All this impeachment attention is a waste of time….
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Candidates on stage during the first night of the second Democratic presidential debate on Tuesday night made no mention of either special counsel Robert Mueller’s report or impeachment.
The ten candidates on the stage in Detroit, Mich., were asked questions on a variety of topics like health care, race, immigration, climate change and the economy, but they did not mention Mueller or possible impeachment of President Trump over roughly two and a half hours of debate, nor were they asked about them. There also was no talk of foreign interference in U.S. elections….
The Hill….
The media IS gonna give Elizabeth Warren the win for tonight….
I watched her for a while….
She was good…..
Chris Matthews is shell-shocked over the ideological divide in this debate and how the Warren/Sanders tag team stood firm together to beat back all the others who dared to challenge their far left vision.
This was quite a contrast, as far as intra-party debates go. Looking at the reaction on left-wing Twitter, those folks think that Delaney, Ryan, Hickenlooper, and Bullock might as well have been wearing MAGA hats (or worse.)
Not a cross word between Sanders and Warren. Biden was not mentioned as far as I could tell (the debate did not have my undivided attention) and clearly, Sanders and Warren own the heart and soul of the party and even the back of the pack folks onstage are clearly worried about losing to Trump because of that.
I found myself sort of oddly liking Delaney and almost wishing he could run as a Republican. This is despite the fact that if he said everything he said tonight back on a Democrat debate stage in 1988, he probably would have been considered among the most liberal of the candidates.
Did Zreebs drop out of society to join Marianne Williamson’s secret cult?
Just kidding..
This is the first cycle with more than two women on stage debating each other. (Easy to forget that HRC and CMB shared some stages over a decade ago), but tonight, Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar literally showed up wearing the same outfit. To their credit, I don’t think CNN mentioned it on air.
A couple cycles ago, Chris Matthews went full thrill up his leg for Obama and now he is begging these “moderate” also-rans to save the party and insisting that it is a horrible idea to not say how to pay for everything.
CG?
Sanders and Warren could NOT beat Trump from the left….
I don’t think they can even get the nomination like u’d want them to….
Easy pickings , eh?
NOPE…
As soon as the candidates came out on stage, they presented the National Anthem. That was pretty brazen of CNN to do that for this particular debate. None of the candidates took a knee, which might have been a minor upset.
Four years ago, Donald Trump accused Megyn Kelly of having “blood coming out of her whatever.”
Tonight, Bernie Sanders accused Jake Tapper of using “Republican talking points.”
Bernie Sanders isn’t gonna be the nominee….
He’s just gonna help Biden get the nomination by being in the race with Warren….
Anyways?
This debate will be forgotten tomorrow night when the heavy hitters do their act on stage….
¿ ¿ And Senators Sanders and Warren are not “heavy hitters” ? ? It’s been a very long time since I’ve heard or read that (maybe 2013 or 2014).
Joe Biden is clearly a heavy hitter, but are Kamala Harris and Cory Booker, for example, heavy hitters when fellow Senators Sanders & Warren are not ?
Are Julián Castro, Kirsten Gillibrand, Bill de Blasio, Michael Bennet, Jay Inslee, Andrew Yang or Tulsi Gabbard heavy hitters ?
Ok DSD…..
I’ll grant you that Warren and Sanders ARE HEAVY hitters….
They ARE numbers 2 and 3 ….
My mistake….
At what point in the GOP debate did Trump brag that he had a big dick?
Such a pivotal moment when the religious right and party of personal responsibility said “that’s pur guy!”
Fans of Warren and Sanders have been finding it cute tonight to alter the Wikipedia entries for candidates such as Delaney and Ryan to say they died tonight in Detroit or were “murdered” by Warren or Sanders.
Not even the Trump fools thought of something so stupid to do last time.
I never watch these “debates”as I’ve stated on many occasions.
However, I will reiterate…
Anyone ,I don’t care who ,that claims we can provide a Medicare For All system without major tax increases is a Liar.
I agree on the AGAINST* Medicare for aLL sell….
It would NOT be free….
We need to fix what we have…
I spoke to several people last night who absolutely do NOT want to give their ability to pick their own doctor and not have the government do so….
(*I added this)
Ok…
The media sees on last night is coming out was Sanders/Warren carrying the water for the left….
I STILL see the Warren/Sanders healthcare sell as bogus…
Democrats voters do NOT want to get rid of Obmamcare, nor do they want to lose their doctor choice ….
Make not mistake…
Bernie Sanders is STILL shopping his heartfelt socialist view …..
My feeling IS with the moderate’s last night…
The big ticket lefties policies are unrealistic among Democrats and would cost Democrats the election in November…
Remember ….
Warren and Sanders ARE about taxing the Rich to pay for everyone else…
I like that…
But there is absolutely NO CHANCE for their wishes to get thru Congress , even if Democrats where to get a 50/50 US Senate and keep their majority in the House…
While there are some arguments against Medicare-for-All that are worth considering seriously, Jack and James brought up two arguments that don’t hold water with me.
(1) Anyone who claims that it won’t raise taxes is, of course, disingenuous. There will be a palpable increase in FICA and Self-Employment taxes. However, what Bernie Sanders asserts is that this increase will be more than balanced by individual savings on premiums, co-pays, deductibles, etc.
(2) Obamacare couldn’t keep Barack Obama’s promises that “if you like your doctor,you can keep him” because it was based on the previous structure of private insurers and HMO’s that bargained with and selected approved (“within the plan”) providers of health care.
The National Health Service in the U.K. basically does allow any of its members see any nearby doctor, because almost all doctors are NHS providers. Bargaining is done collectively between the NHS and doctors’ groups (such as the British Medical Association), rather than by competing health plans with individual medical practices.
I think the same model applies to Canada and the Irish Republic. (However, there may be less patient choice with a system like France’s or Germany’s that organizes around a handful of non-profit health plans.)
If you’re prepared to pay rather more extra, you can see one of the relatively-few doctors and specialists outside the NHS (as I did, when, during a possible epidemic, I needed an inoculation in time for my return flight to the U.S. instead of waiting in a long queue with other Britons.) Individuals and employers offering extra incentives and perks can sign up with the private alternative to the NHS, the British United Provident Association or BUPA.
One reason (which is persuasive to me) that there should be positive net difference between increased employment taxes and lowered or cancelled premiums & co-pays is that a universal system wouldn’t need the vast private expense for advertising, administration, pre-approval and billing.
(I could go on but fatigue is getting the better of me.)
I don’t understand where you we disagree DSD.
I used the word “lie.”You used the more ambiguous term, “disingenuous.”
I’m not opposed to a national health care system and regard all the hullabaloo about “keeping my own doctor” as no big deal.(I’ve had ten or so different doctors in my life and never noticed much difference.)
Still, people need to understand that it is going to cost and to pretend that it can be done on the cheap is false.
Likely though, it will be cheaper than the current system which is long term unsustainable in my view.
Yes Jack….
TRILLIONS and Sanders says he don’t give a shit about the cost?
His plan would earn Trump more middle class Democratic voters support…
There will be NO American health plan that requires u to ask the government if you can have your own doctor…
Currently you are equrorgaed to have a doctor in ur healthcare network to have them pay…
Sanders/Warren plan’s would have ur choice dictated…
It just so your #1 I see scant chance …
on ur #2…
Me and most people I have spoken to do NOT want ANOTHER overhaul of the American healthcare system that will cost US even MORE money…
Sanders and Warren can talk until they are blue in the face…
The ‘Free’ healthcare replacement they are selling isn’t free…
And working people who already have coverage ain’t gonna vote for the great plan for EVERYONE that they have to pay for…
Oh, to think a President Warren could get her life goal to tax the rich to support the poor, but not middle class is another pipe dream…
Sanders and Warren are selling stuff that has NO chance of ever becoming anything…
Which is one of the reasons Biden’s numbers are higher then theirs