Donald Trump’s going hard hasn’t really worked much….
It didn’t work much when he was a New York Real Estate guy….
After a why people stoped lending him money….
They knew they wouldn’t get much back…
He almost went broke in 10980’s…
So he bull shitted his way back…
His tough guy act DID work back in 2016 with Republicans and Democratic voters who handed him the Presidency even though he last the popular vote….
As President?
Donald Trump has NOT closed one Trade deal….
He has NOT got a ‘deal’ with North Korea and Iran….
Nor has got a border wall…
Democratic House Speaker and a batch of Federal judges seem too have his number….
And….
It seems so has a ever increasing number of foreign countries that have got past their initial jitters and dug in against Trump…
It seems that he has run into a brick wall….
People ain’t having his tough guy bluffs ….
How real are Donald Trump’s temper tantrums? Not very, says professional Trump observer Nancy Pelosi.
On Thursday, the House speaker called Trump’s latest tantrum—stagedduring a Wednesday White House session on infrastructure spending with the president and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer—a “stunt” and one of his “bag of tricks” he uses to “change the subject.” Schumer called the outburst “concocted.” Trump tweeted back a complete denial, asserting that he had been “extremely calm” during the meeting, and that the bogus charges were a product of Pelosi and Schumer’s scheming “with their partner, the Fake News Media.”
Trump’s fit or nonfit, depending on whose side you take, was allegedly triggered by Pelosi’s Wednesday morning comments about him engaging in a “cover-up.” I’d dig deeper on the origins of the Trump-Pelosi-Schumer dust-up except that it’s already starting to remind me too much of one of those interfamily disputes you enter and immediately wish you could find the exit. But let’s agree for the moment that it doesn’t matter whether Trump’s umbrage was real, ersatz, or nonexistent, only that he has acted similarly in the past. The genuine issue is why Trump thinks blowing his top will get him what he wants in Washington when the record indicates otherwise….
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Maybe Trump had success bullying real estate moguls and other businessmen and thinks the tactic will work in Washington, even after two years of experience show that it doesn’t. Maybe he flies off the handle and plays the tough guy because he likes it, thinking the White House stage as a version of The Apprentice. Trump has been strategically consistent in using anger to connect with his supporters during his presidency. He’s angry about immigrants. He’s angry about Chinese imports “stealing” America jobs. He’s angry on behalf of working people. He’s angry in general about Democrats, and every time he pops off on these topics at rallies he collects cheers and applause.
Emotional terror of the Trump variety works on underlings or his fellow Republican officeholders who fear they’ll lose their positions if they defy the angry king. It also works on the preternaturally polite, who will happily fold if by folding they can cool tempers. But the more Trump puts on the fright wig, the less scary he becomes…
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Tantrums don’t work very well in government as opposed to business, because there are so many more moving parts—separation of powers, political parties, scores of agencies, 50 states and 245 million eligible voters—than in Manhattan real estate….
image…CNN.Com
This is the new Thread for May 26, 2019…
Morning People….
British political parties with a clear position for or against Brexit did very well in last Thursday’s elections for the European Parliament, while the deeply-divided and incoherent Labout and Conservative Parties did very poorly.
Anti-Brexit parties (Liberal Dem, Green, Scottish National Party, Plaid Cymru [Welsh Party] & Change UK:
40.4 % of the vote;
29 Members of the European Parliament (MEP’s) + 1 Democratic Unionist in N. Ireland
Pro-Brexit parties (Brexit & UK Independence):
34.9 %;;
27 MEP’s + 2 in Northern Ireland (Sinn Féin & Alliance Patty)
Labour:
14.1 %;
10 MEP’s
Conservative:
9.1 %
4 MEP’s
In the last European elections, more than half of the vote went to Labour and the Tories; this year, it’s less than a quarter.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48403131
Oh, Snap!…
40% of the vote went to Anti-Brexit parties????!!!
Anti-Brexit = Remain;
Pro-Brexit = Leave even if without a deal
Let me tweak and correct that table a little (I was rushing off to see rather than read the BBC):
Anti-Brexit parties (16 Liberal Dem, 7 Green, 3 Scottish National Party, 1 Plaid Cymru [Welsh Party] & no Change UK Members of the European Parliament [MEP’s] ):
40.4 % of the vote;
27 MEP’s + 2 in Northern Ireland (Sinn Féin & Alliance Patty)
Pro-Brexit parties (29 Brexit Party & no UK Independence Party MEP’s):
34.9 %;;
29 MEP’s + 1 Democratic Unionist (DUP) in N. Ireland
Labour:
14.1 %;
10 MEP’s
Conservative:
9.1 %
4 MEP’s
In the last European elections, nearly half of the vote [47.5 %] went to Labour and the Tories; this year, it’s less than a quarter [23.2 %].
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48403131
Morning All….
2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination
RCP Average
Date….5/10 – 5/20
Biden….34.7
Sanders…17.7
Warren…9.8
Harris…8.0
Buttigieg…6.2
O’Rourke…3.7
Booker…2.0
Klobuchar…1.7
Castro…1.3
Yang….1.0
Gabbard…0.8
Gillibrand…0.5
Ryan…0.7
Spread…Biden +17.0
Chris Cillizza
@CillizzaCNN
40% of Americans think Donald Trump has the personality and leadership qualities a president should have
twitter….
Just like his approval numbers..
Most of us don’t think he’s all that….
Eric Boehlert
@EricBoehlert
Trump has a 3% approval rating among black voters
Eric Boehlert added,
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
….Super Predator was the term associated with the 1994 Crime Bill that Sleepy Joe Biden was so heavily involved in passing. That was a dark period in American History, but has Sleepy Joe apologized? No!
4:22 PM – 27 May 2019
twitter ….
Donald Trump isn’t gonna get much of the Black vote no matter what he says about Joe Biden
Trump is such a supposed right-wing ideologue that he is trying to get to the left of Biden on crime and criminal justice.
He tried the exact same thing against Hillary in the last election, after she was forced to apologize for using the term “super predators” in the 1990s, which is something she never should have apologized for.
Trump’s right wing apologists who actually are willing to acknowledge what he is doing just choose to shrug their shoulders at it.
So, if we take Trump at his word, he thinks that too many murderers have been put to death and too many violent criminals have been locked up for too long..
Oh, but the five minority teenagers known as the Central Park Five in 1989 who it turns out were falsely charged with rape and assault… they should have been executed.
Trump will never get to the left of Biden…
This early throw down against Biden means that Trump & Cp. can read the polling and like some of us think that Biden will be the nominee …
Trump operates by continually saying the same thing over and over when he’s scared
Biden should want Trump to get to his left.
If Biden starts apologizing for the 1994 Crime Bill, etc, it is a tremendous sign of weakness and fear of Trump.
“Biden should want Trump to get to his left”
I see you still hold out your hope that Trump will rwveal himsekc as a secret liberal. He won’t. He is a conseevative Republucan who enjoys 90% support of other conservative Republicans. Other than his views in trade (which are no more “liberal” than those of Pat Buchanan) he champions all of the same issues that the base of the Republican Party supports. He is not going to “pivot”. Haven’t you learned that yet?
Trump has no principles.
He is attacking Biden now as if he were a Black Lives Matters activist.
He’ll say or do anything to help himself. We all ought to realize that by now.
Will Biden hang firm by his convinctions?
I just know that in 1994 the Republicans who opposed the Crime Bill were not opposing it because they thought it went too far.
I remember the pieces in the media about the rampant crime…
Some of them went into ‘ghetto’ neighborhoods where blacks where crying out for help against their crime ridden area’s…
The throwdown against Biden you’ll notice has some whites that never have set foot in black neigborhoidnuntil they became gentrified…
Facts….
Bernie Sanders supported the Bill Clinton Crime Bill…
So did a good numbers of blacks who where the subject of black on black crime in their neighborhoods….
Kamala Harris was a DA and AG …
She put a lot of minority people in jail…
The whole crime bill thing against Biden is Bull Shit
Should he say so?
Will he?
Several of his primary opponents are attacking him for it now, including Sanders and Harris…(I will have to look up the Sanders vote) and Trump was trying to parrot them.
Who remembers former Politics1 poster Phil Collins?
He used to live near me and ran for numerous offices in Illinois (even getting elected to a couple local posts) and then moved to Nevada were a few months ago, he was the runner-up for Las Vegas Mayor.
Now, he is setting his sights even higher and is the Vice Presidential nominee of the Prohibition Party.
Yeah I remember that guy.
That’s funny!
Believe it or not:
(1) The Prohibition Party candidate, John G.. Woolley, actually came in third (behind McKinley & Bryan) in the election of 1900 with about 1.5% of the national popular vote. [That election also happened to be the closest a Rhode Islander, Henry Metcalf (Woolley’s running0-mate), has ever come to the Presidency.]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Woolley
(2) The late David McReynolds, a long-time pacifist and socialist leader, who was sometime Presidential candidate of the Socialist Party USA, actually started his political formation in the Young Prohibitionists.
But as he and his comrades were sailing to a prohibitionist or temperance conference in Europe, the Prohibition National Committee expelled the Young Prohibitionists as too radical at just about the time (around 1950) that the latter were finding that the Prohibition Party was no longer a useful vehicle for their own ideas and policies..
Yes, Rep. Bernie Sanders (Ind.-Vt) did vote with 239 Democrats to support the crime control bill of 1994.
173 Republicans and 2 black Democrats (Cardiss Collins of Illinois & Earl Hilliard of Alabama) opposed it.
15 Democrats (including Nancy Pelosi)* and 3 Republicans** did not vote.
*
Andrews
Bryant (TX)
Gonzalez
Lambert
LaRocco
Mazzoli
Moran
Natcher
Ortiz
Pelosi
Spratt
Taylor (MS)
Towns
Washington
Woolsey
**
Gallo
McMillan
Weldon (PA)
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1994/roll084.xml
Interesting on the Crime Bill vote, eh?
Pelosi NO vote at all?
Only 2 Black Democrats voted ‘Nay’ , eh?
I rest my case
Morning people…
BREAKING…..
Robert Mueller will make a on camera statement @ 11:00AM
Morning people….
Glad to have people back for conversation….
Where is Keith?
Former Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) died on Thursday, following health concerns that led him to resign from the Senate in 2018, the office of Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith announced….
Axios…
RIP to a distinguished statesman.
Morning….
Warriors are in trouble….
Judge keeps sole Missouri abortion clinic open (Planned Parent) for another week…
I finally got the Senate roll-call webmaster to fix a glitch, and was able to pull out the Senate roll-call on the one discussed above,
Joe Biden voted for it, as did every Democratic Senator but Russ Feingold (Wis.) and Richard Shelby (Alab.) in addition to six Republicans from the more liberal and moderate side of their caucus (John Chafee-RI, William Cohen-Maine, John Danfotth-Mo, Jim Jeffords-Vt, Nancy Landon Kassebaum-Ks, William Roth-Del., & Arlen Specter-Pa).
All but one of the other 36 Republicans voted against the bill which I recall was fostered by the Clinton administration. [Malcolm Wallop of Wyoming didn’t vote.]
See https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&session=2&vote=00295
I can’t count correctly when I’m sleepy: Seven (not 6) Republican Senators voted for the 1994 crime bill.
Soooooo?
DEMOCRATS should NOT be trying to solely nail Biden to the wall on the Clinton Crime Bill, eh?
They ALL where in support of it in the Senate….
AT THE TIME….
Thanks DSD!
Morning….
RCP Poll Trump vs Warren…..
RCP Average 3/27 – 5/23 — — 47.2 /Warren…. 44.8/Trump ….
Warren by +2.4….
Link…
Morning people….
Conservative commentator Laura Ingraham, who promotes herself as a free speech advocate included Paul Nehlen in a graphic of people who are being denied a voice on social media.
Nehlen admits to owning a t-shirt of that guy (Robert Bowers?) who killed 11 people at the pittsburgh synagogue. Nehlen said we don’t need a million people like Bowers, but we need lots of people pushing in the same direction.
Shame on Ingraham for giving this lunatic press in a way that implied support,
Morning People….
Here’s a good idea…
Some Republican House members led by South Carolina backbencher Ralph Norman are trying to get racist kook Steve King reinstated to his committee assignment.
So far GOP House members, who stripped him of the same due to his racist diatribes ,aren’t biting.
Does that mean there is some hope?
Meanwhile, in Labama this day if you needed your license renewed?
You were out of luck.
All state offices were closed in celebration of Jefferson Davis’s Birthday, a state holiday .
Several southern states still wallow in this Confederista nonsense.In South Carolina,Confederate Memorial Day is an official state holiday.
Like I said aid the other day,in the south …
The “past” isn’t even past.
Ok….
There isn’t THAT much hope….
Just after 7 p.m. on Monday night, the disaster relief bill passed the House 354-58 en route to the President’s desk.
All 58 of the Nays came from Republicans too numerous to post here (liberal-progressive quasi-demi-hero Justin Amash of Michigan among them).
However 132 Republicans voted for the bill (more than twice the number of GOP nays) while 7 more did not vote.
222 Democratic Representatives voted for the bill, while 12 did not vote.
See: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll232.xml
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll233.xml
and this story from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution:
https://www.ajc.com/news/state–regional-govt–politics/house-clears-disaster-relief-bill-for-trump-signature/WPAMiwiyfrIsaXRE6thmvL/
The Bill supplies money across America…
It was written the way things ARE SUPPOSED to be….
Keith phoned this in….
Exchange of the Day
June 3, 2019 at 10:20 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 108 Comments
Jared Kushner wouldn’t answer Jonathan Swan directly when asked if he disapproves of President Trump’s promotion of birtherism:
SWAN: Have you ever seen him say or do anything that you would describe as racist or bigoted?
KUSHNER: So, the answer is un — uh, no. Absolutely not. You can’t not be a racist for 69 years, then run for president and be a racist. What I’ll say is that, when a lot of the Democrats call the president a racist, I think they’re doing a disservice to people who suffer because of real racism in this country.
SWAN: Was birtherism racist?
KUSHNER: Um, look I wasn’t really involved in that…
And we are told we have to worry about Joe Biden’s uh
“Gaffes.”
James, Good to hear you are keeping in touch with our friend Keith. How is he doing?
I assume he’s good
And busy
I have invited him drop in
SE maybe?
Brandon ?
Ill Jim? ?
RepublICAN ?
TerryGreen ?
NY Republican?
Ah, the alumni group…..
Certainly NOT the crazy assed drop in from HHR people….
I remember THAT month….
Whew!
I also saw the exchange. Excellent follow-up question. Of course, Swan had other examples he could have given, like the Department of Justice suing Trump in the 70s over housing discrimination against blacks, his preference for Scandinavian immigration instead of S-hole countries, his documented use of n-word, “good people on both sides” in Charlottesville, Central Park 5, and these are just off the top of my head.
If the above does not meet the threshold of being a racist, then I have never met a racist in my life.
Morning people
Mitt Romney gave his first Senate floor speech today. Apparently it addressed the importance of international alliances but did not mention Trump by name. The Hill is calling ut a “gentle ribbing”. From what I heard it’s more of a snoozefest. Still waiting for any Senate Republicans to show some real balls.
Roll Call described the speech as “hammering the Administration” on foreign policy.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/romneys-maiden-speech-hammers-administrations-foreign-policy
Good Morning People….
Keith is out there guys….
He’s saw the Texas Biden-Trump numbers we have in the post on Biden’s leaf
Last time I talked to Keith. he was for Harris. James, You seem to be talking with him fairly regularly. Did he switch to Biden?
I was about to leave Zreebs. I think you still have my email.
I am for no one at the moment. I have been called by three campaigns and offered one staff job. I will wait to see how the debates go. But, I am serious about this being a binary choice. I will actively support (maximum donation, fundraising, and field work) any Democrat next year, and that includes Bernie, because we need to get people like Steven Miller out of the White House. The damage they are doing will take years to repair.
My litmus test, who can beat Trump. That’s my only test. Pleased California moved our primary up and I will be active here.
Can Bernie beat Trump?
No….
Bernie probably CANNOT beat Trump…
For the hundredth time?
For the primaries the Dem left vote is split
He has little black vote
He isn’t gonna win
Of course Bernie can best Trump.
I’ll have another post later showing how bad Trump is doing in states he needs to win in the electoral college next year…
Morning everyone…..
Interesting….
No discussion on how shitty Trump is doing in the polls less then a year half out from the election….
I discussed it yesterday I believe.
The Idiot totally embarrassed himself during his British visit.
His supporters loved it of course.You know them snotty British bastards…they ain’t no better than them damn “ libruls” and the damn “ fake news” news media.
His fans see himself at 50 % today in Rasmussen and think he is in great shape.
If his polls numbers were horrific, you guys would be pushing more for impeachment. Perhaps that should be the case.
Rasmussen🙄????
Come ON?????!!!!!
George Will ,the conservative writer and columnist who left the Republican Party after the nomination of Trump ,today labeled the Republican Party a”Cult.”
He joins others with the description….
I’m not sure if it was mentioned here but Trump cutting off travel to Cuba is another example of his simply trying to erase Obama’s legacy. There’s no good reason to do this. Even politically the returns are diminishing as the old Cubans in FL who still get riled up over this stuff are dying off.
Just more efforts of isolationist policy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/06/05/boys-pointe-du-hoc-reagan-d-day-speech-that-moved-nation/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cac871c81239
“Today, the living here assembled-officials, veterans, citizens-are a tribute to what was achieved here 40 years ago. This land is secure. We are free. These things are worth fighting and dying for.
Lisa Zannata Henn began her story by quoting her father, who promised that he would return to Normandy. She ended with a promise to her father, who died 8 years ago of cancer: “I’m going there, Dad, and I’ll see the beaches and the barricades and the monuments. I’ll see the graves, and I’ll put flowers there just like you wanted to do. I’ll never forget what you went through, Dad, nor will I let any one else forget. And, Dad, I’ll always be proud.”
Through the words of his loving daughter, who is here with us today, a D-Day veteran has shown us the meaning of this day far better than any President can. It is enough to say about Private Zannata and all the men of honor and courage who fought beside him four decades ago: We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we may always be free.”
President Ronald Reagan
6/6/84
Proper!
From a President that would be scratching his head today…
If you want to keep yourself up at night, imagine Donald Trump instead of FDR (or else Wendell Willkie, Tom Dewey, Henry Wallace or Harry Truman) as the U.S, President during World War II.
He wouldn’t have supported the British Empire before Pearl Harbor and instead would have threatened to tear up Lend-Lease (if he’d ever signed it) if the British didn’t pay off their war debts from both world wars.
Can you imagine him proposing or signing the Atlantic Charter ?
Before Pearl Harbor, he would have tried some shillelagh-and-carrort approach to Imperial Japan (scrap metal, anyone?)
And Stalin would have played him like a puppet.
And as for admitting all those refugee scientists and linguists who helped America win the war, forget it.
Yes DSD…
We’d be FUCKED
Morning people ….
Theresa May officially steps down as Tory leader
BBC, 8 hours ago
Theresa May has officially stepped down as the leader of the Conservative Party, but will remain as prime minister until her successor is chosen.
She has handed in her private resignation letter to the backbench 1922 Committee, two weeks after announcing her intention to leave.
Eleven Conservative MPs are vying to replace her as party leader and, ultimately, prime minister.
The winner of the contest is expected to be announced in the week of 22 July.
Mrs May, who has said it was a matter of deep regret that she had been unable to deliver Brexit, remains acting party leader during the leadership election process.
Meanwhile, the Conservatives fell to third place in the Peterborough by-election, behind winners Labour and the Brexit Party in second place, in what is traditionally a Tory-Labour marginal seat….
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48550452
I wonder if they will every actually do it?
It ay be time for a new open thread, as this one approaches 80 comments.
Will do by tomorrow midday
Happy to have to
Morning People…
New Open Thread moves to here...