The headlines boast a good sized jump…..
Read the fine print….
Economists believe that a LOT of trade was accelerated to get ahead of Trump possible tariff’s….
Products been rushed to market to beat price increases ….
Economist believe the economy will start to slow due to the trade fee’s increase on consumer prices….
Trump is all happy about what seems be something he caused that will in the typical Trump fashion need to be put back together….
The U.S. economy grew 4.1% in the second quarter, the fastest growth since 2014. Economists surveyed by Bloomberg were expecting 4.2% growth.
Bottom line: The economy is booming (U.S. GDP growth last topped 4% in 2014), but growth is expected to slow later this year, Bloomberg reports, as benefits from the tax cuts fade and the Fed again raises interest rates.
A normal President with this economy would likely have an approval rating near 60% or so.
Trump, however, is no “normal “President.
Jack is right of course. But Trump is already stepping all over this good news, and Don Jr. is busy helping.
I appreciate my stock portfolio I really do. Using this month’s returns to write checks to some of my favorite Democrats.
Hey Jack, what do you think of Joe Cunningham’s chances?
For some people, the economy is ALL that matters, “stupid.”
Not foreign policy, not personal character, not the moral health of the nation, not wealth disparity, but just all about how the economy is affecting their lives, at the moment. In effect, everyone else be damned.
This has been to my great frustration in the past when a President of a different party was in office and I felt there were other matters that the American people should be considering. I think that again now too, and perhaps the folks on the left now join me in those thoughts.
I do NOT think that MOST Americans feel the story of a booming Economy….
And the ‘bump’ right now is artificial ….
Maybe 30% or so.
Arrington is sort of a Sarah Palin type so that helps him .He will likely win Charleston but the suburbs vote fairly heavily Republican.
Too bad .
Cunningham is a smart guy and would make a good Congressman.
All Arrington does is talk all over herself and tells everyone what a big supporter of Trump she is.
and she also seems fairly good at recovering from devastating physical injuries that could have killed her.
You’re opposed to Arrington right?
I don’t live there. I wanted Sanford to win the primary, but correctly predicted he would not. Regardless of how I would vote, I am glad she is recovering from her accident.
Who isn’t?
It would be entertaining to hear in court the theory that an injured passenger in a car that was going down the road the correct way, and was struck by a car going down the road the wrong way is someone the responsible party for “almost killing themselves.”
I suppose Mary Jo Kopechne was at fault as well back in the day.
I thought you were opposed to Republicans who support Trump?
Support of Trump seems to be Arrington only real issue.
It is her only issue, she stands with the President. Sanford must be kicking himself for not toning it down.
Amazing, Republicans blaming a man for telling the truth.
Cunningham seems to be getting a few big name Republicans to endorse him over the offshore issue.
Maybe you should get involved Jack.
Sanford has spoken publicly and said he regrets nothing. He recently gave some remarks that were very harsh on Trump. Why should he have any regrets over this? He’s already been a “laughingstock” and he doesn’t need the job for a paycheck. Maybe he will attempt a comeback again one day.
When that result happened, it looked all but certain that Martha Robey would lose in Alabama too, but she just won her runoff in a landslide. I guess it helps that her opponent was a Pelosi-voting former Democrat House member.
Trump endorsed Robey, which of course all but ended her vulnerability, there’s no denying that, but it’s not like she has ever apologized for or taken back the fact that she did not vote for him in 2016. She seems to have gotten the best out of the “deal.”
If somebody can find me a documented source in which this Mr. Cunningham expresses his opposition to Obama’s Iran Deal, I will send him a check for $5.
I made a contribution.Thats about the extent of my active involvement anymore.
A few Republican lawyers I know told me they intend to vote for Cunningham.
One of them called her an “airhead.” I didn’t go that far;however, the woman is singularly unimptressive.
Speaking of “airheads” who have knocked off incumbents in primaries, that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has been saying some pretty dumb things lately, that might even have Palin shaking her head.
I will say though that she is probably the most attractive socialist I have ever seen (apologies to DSD) and that probably counts for something in politics.
She certainly does seem like an airhead Jack, perhaps she can prove it along the way this fall.
Campaigns usually need lawyers on election day, perhaps you will change you mind.
I am pressing all my big talking friends who hate Trump to sign up for volunteer work in November, and I am having some great success.
But, they all agree with George Will so it isn’t tough to get them to agree.
As I believe I’ve mentioned before I’m a Prosecutor in a town near Charleston.
When appointed the council ,which is elected in nonpartisan elections, requested that I refrain from public partisan political activities .Accordingly, I restrict my involvement to monetary contributions.
Understood Jack, your check is clearly a more substantive contribution to real political action than that of almost everyone on the blog.
Congratulations!
Count me as another one who sends a check in addition to mentions here….
I agree Jack, he is a great candidate, and I sent him some money the other day. He was very gracious to his Trumpster opponent when she almost killed herself. A classy guy. I wonder where the Mark Sanford voters will go on this one at the end of the day?
A Republican candidate gets hit, I believe by a drunk driver, (who died) and SHE is the only who almost “killed herself?” What logic!
She was almost killed. I am happy she is recovering. Still doesn’t mean I want a rubber stamp for Trump in Congress.
You want to find offense in so many things, when you should really be offended by your Republican President.
Do you want this Trump clone to go to Congress Corey? Or, do you follow a true conservative like George Will and want the Democrats to take over Congress as a stop against the Orange Scrotum in the White House?
You phrased it as if she were at fault in the accident,
Now, show some class and correct what you first said.
Do you have a fainting couch in your office Corey?
You appear to be so sensitive these days.
What do you think of Gym Jordan’s campaign for Speaker? Do you support him?
No, I hope and believe that somebody other than Jordan will be the top Republican next year.
Between him and McCarthy, I would prefer Scalise.
The new George Will column has him all but endorsing Bob Mendenez’s Republican opponent, so it must not be a 100% thing for Will.
If I lived where jack does, I probably would not cast a vote for Arrington. She is going to still win though.
She certainly should.Its a gerrymandered Republican District.The Majority minority areas of Charleston were placed in Clyburns district.
Cunningham’s only chance is that enough usually Republican voters in the coastal area get turned off by her Sarah Palin style and her flip flop on offshore drilling.
No, it was about stopping Trump.
I agree with Will’s position. Loyal Americans who want to protect our democracy should vote to stop Trump this November. That means voting Democratic.
Will has made it clear that he supports the Republican for Governor in Illinois, so I will go along with him on that, even if ultimately futile, and he just wrote a column in which he talks about how corrupt Bob Menendez should be defeated. So, maybe Zreebs can go along with Will on that.
Menendez was cleared….
As I said?
He’ll have no problem getting re-elected…
I will be pretty shocked if Menendez does not ultimately win, but there was a poll out this week only showing him by up 3 points.
His primary result against an unknown socialist type candidate was horrible and apparently a backlash is building in NJ against the new Democrat Governor over tax increases.
It’s going to be a race to watch.
(First up though on Sunday, kicking off the “Race of the Day” will be the contest for Alabama Governor. No spoilers allowed at the moment…)
You know they do the Jersey GOP Thing every
Election season….
Except for Christie?
Democrats almost ALWAYS get elected anyways,,.
A very big issue here is offshore oil drilling which the Trump Administration is allowing.
It is a hot issue and all the Mayors of the coastal cities are opposed to it.
Even Trumps boy Henry McMaster belatedly came out in opposition as did many local Republicans.
Arrington ,however ,initially said she favored the drilling ,then when met with a backlash hurriedly reversed herself.
There has been a lot of grumbling among the anti drilling Republicans about that.Enough to make them support aDemocrat?Doubtful.
In my ongoing effort to keep Republicans from rewriting history, here’s the Will column where he encourages everyone to vote against the GOP this November.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/vote-against-the-gop-this-november/2018/06/22/a6378306-7575-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c6f7c955cc6a
Someone is obsessed with George Will lately.
I wonder how much George Will knew about our friend back in the ’80s…
I have always liked George Will, not sure what he thinks about me, but that didn’t take long did it?
I am flattered to think Mr. Will would even know who I was.
So, the premier conservative columnists in America and a friend to Ronald Reagan tells us to vote against the GOP and we aren’t supposed to listen to him?
Because Will is advocating a complete change in Congressional leadership. He said vote the GOP out of office. Why is that so difficult to understand?
He definitely wrote about Council Wars and your old boss. I can link something if you want. (I even checked to make sure you weren’t named in the column)
Yes, I remember now how that tactic backfired on CMB in the ’98 Senate race. She also used the n word and said that Will was calling her that because he criticized her in a column, where he most certainly did not use that word and most certainly was not being racist at all.
Here is the most recent George Will column in which he lays out the case against the Democrat candidate for U.S. Senate in New Jersey and speaks as to why the Republican might win there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/menendez-was-meant-to-be-safe-is-this-how-new-jerseys-46-year-drought-ends/2018/07/20/de603eda-8c5e-11e8-a345-a1bf7847b375_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7e032daca244
Of course,you’re not for Hugin are you?
From what I have seen, Hugin has gone to lengths to express his differences with Trump. He does not seem a Trump apologist at all, so based on what I know, I would vote for Hugin over the corrupt Menendez.
(though Menendez is the rare Democrat who is right on issues like Cuba, Iran, and Israel.. go figure)
So you will vote for someone who contributed $5000 to Trumps campaign because he has “gone to lengths” to separate himself from Trump?
Yeah political ambition will cause people to do lots of things.
Hahaha.
Where is the documentation that it was to Trump’s campaign?
I think the Democrats have tried to use that as a talking point, when the contribution was to the Republican party pre-Trump.
If he donated money directly to Trump, I would not vote for him.
According to the New Jersey Globe Hugin gave 5000 to Trumps campaign and contributed to several SuperPacs that supported Trump.
Generally speaking, political ambition motivates just about all these candidates. They could embrace Trump because of it or they can walk away from him because of it.
Ultimately, I want to see more Republicans walking away from Trump. I don’t know exactly what Hugin did and when and why but in this campaign, he is running as a contrast to Trump.
Hugin’s 2016 choice was almost certainly Chris Christie (which is bad enough)
Nope, you set the standard.
I was labeled a “hypocrite” by you on Monday because I previously said that I would vote for Molly Spearman , the SC Supt of Education, who apparently in 2016 had said she supported Trump(as an SC Republican she sure as Hell better have,)
According to you then ,it is impermissible to even support someone who supports Trump.
Accordingly, you certainly can’t support someone who contributed a large amount to his campaign and according to the Globe,was also aTrump delegate to the convention.
Now,look, I know you were flailing around. the other day ,all upset about Trump s Putin remarks and the tepid Republican response thereto(you erroneously claimed that “most” Republicans opposed him on the issue.”Most” Republicans in fact said nothing about it).
So,if you want to “amend” your “standard?Fine with me,otherwise I don’t really see many Republicans you can support.
I don’t live in NJ, whereas you live in SC, so I do not know precisely what I would do. I would do more due diligence on the matter, as I suggested you do for the Republicans you are going to vote for.
What we can see is presently, Hugin is positioning himself not as a Trump ally, while my theory is those two in SC have not doing anything to distance themselves from Trump.
So I never said Hugin was sufficiently “NeverTrump” but maybe he is “NoLongerTrump” or “LimitedTrump.”
People like me are going to have to take what we can get. If I want to see the Republican Party rebuilt, it’s going to have to include people who voted for Donald Trump in 2016 and people who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016.
By all means, you should vote for the Republicans on your ballot whom you think are better than the Democrats. I personally would find it very hard to vote for someone who is an unrepentant Trump fan, which is different than someone among the how many millions of people who voted for him in November.
Nonetheless, living as I do in Illinois, I am pretty sure that the Republicans I will actually vote for (at least in the only two races that might be remotely competitive) did not vote for Trump at all.
Ok.. So you have “revised” your “standard.”
Good for you.
Molly Spearman, the Republican Supt Of Education, has done a good job in my view and the Democratic candidate,in my view, would not do well in that office.Accordingly I made what I view was the thoroughly rational choice to vote for her.
Spearman has been attacked by some Republicans for not being sufficiently “Republican “(whatever that means ) and ,as I noted, would likely have been in a difficult position if she hadn’t at least verbally offered her support to the party’s presidential candidate.I don’t fault her for that.
I will now presume that your previous “standard” was the result of your not having fully thought out its implications and will not raise the matter again.
No, same standard.
You can do what you want, but I would have to do more research into Spearman and the other Republican you mentioned. That doesn’t mean I would vote for the Democrat if I thought they would do a lousy job either.
When it comes down to it, we actually agree on this more than you realize, which might upset you. You just have to be willing to admit though that you part ways with the other folks here who say “no vote for any Republican for any office. No excuses. Defeat them *all.*” Both you and I differ with them. Accept it.
and it’s not like they even need your vote. They are going to win anyways there.
You said you understood why Spearman said what she did. Yes, I understand too, which means we also both understand why the Republican cowards in Congress feel like they have no choice to be cowards. It’s the exact same thing, whether someone wants to be a Senator or an Education Superintendent or George P. Bush wanting to stay as Land Commissioner in Texas.
However, I cannot help but have more respect for those who *never* backed Trump, even putting their careers at risk, and feel like I have to do what I can to support them first and foremost.
So maybe I’d write in Mark Sanford for Education Commissioner. The children of South Carolina would learn a great deal about the Appalachian Trail.
Ok we will keep it going then.
I will examine every Republican you speak favorably of here aorvany Republican you support in light of the following…
If they support Trump IN Any Way or support anyone who supports Trump..
They are a hypocrite.
Let the games begin…
What’s this “due diligence rigamarole?Hugins supported TrumP and gave him money. If you support him, you are,by your definition a hypocrite.
Well jack, if I commit to actually voting for them, then you can raise the point.
But if I am not voting for them, or contributing money to them, or displaying some sort of campaign material for them, or volunteering for them, that doesn’t mean I “support” them. I may “agree” with them on some things, unrelated to Trump, but that is far different than “support.”
No, *if* I lived in New Jersey and *if* I voted for Hugin (which I have said I do not know if I would at this point), it would simply put me exactly on the same level as you on this matter of voting for Republicans.
And furthermore Hugin is now running away from Trump, where there is nothing to suggest your Republicans are.
I never said any such thing .
Why are you trying to imply that I agreed with what others have said?
I never said that I did.
No, you might not have said that you did yourself, but you remain silent when they say it, which is fine, but it’s just like how Republicans in Congress say silent when Trump says dumb things.
The bottom-line to all of this is that both you and I think it is ok to vote for a Republican over a Democrat. Do you disagree?
Sure.
Indeed, that was my original statement when you once again wrongly accused me of never voting for and “hating” all Republicans (once again more of your emotional flailing around).
I don’t comment on every comment here.Further, you seem to “defend” yourself just fine.
Indeed, I could just not have said anything about supporting any Republicans.So all the other posters saw my comment too.
I’m not hiding anything.
But back to the original point (after all your obfuscating)
Those who support Trump and those who support someone who supports Trump cannot be supported by someone who opposes Trump without being a hypocrite.Is that still your position?
What comes across to me is that on this blog and the old place you are far more vitriolic in talking about Republicans here than I sense you are in real life, which is why I have used the pro-wrestling analogy in the past. You are putting on a “performance” to an extent here. I know you aren’t a Republican yourself, but there is a difference I think between internet jack and jack at the Lodge or at the Piggy Wiggly or whatever you people have there.
“Those who support Trump and those who support someone who supports Trump cannot be supported by someone who opposes Trump without being a hypocrite.Is that still your position?”
No, never my position. The hypocrisy only comes in from those who say some people are allowed to do it and some people are not.
You outed yourself as a Republican voter (for a couple offices). Props.
Everyone here should vote for a Republican if they are better for the job than a Democrat. And if a Republican running is a child predator or a white supremacist, everyone here should vote against them.
Competence, character, and ideology should be factors in *all* elections, with or without, before, during, or after DJT.
More obfuscation and trying to change the subject(another Jameslike move).
None of us “know” each other.(I believe Keith and Zreebs met once).
Accordingly, you can speculate all you want about what I “really”am ,like ,or think.
And I can do the same but I don’t.
Because I don’t really care.
For purposes of what we do here?We are what we post and mindless speculations on our personal lives are a waste of time.
However,if it makes you happy?Speculate away!
Ah Jack?
You dance her just as good as everyone else …
And seldom admit when you are wrong….
That despite all the ‘ of course Jack is right’s’….
So since I never said anything to the effect that people should never vote for Republicans ,how was I a “hypocrite?”
Yes, speculation to an extent (I remain convinced though that Keith is abhorrent in real life as he is here) but I do not think you are someone who goes around with a megaphone yelling “Conservatism is bunk.”
Again, speculation, but this weekend, you will probably associate cordially with people who are today unrepentant Donald Trump fans. If I wind up talking to anyone this weekend who tries to tell me how good Trump is, I will likely get pissed off and not wish to speak to them.
I used the term hypocrite because you claimed in a critical way that I “supported” politicians (that I was not even voting for) for having the same beliefs as politicians you are going to vote for.
Then I find it extremely odd that you come on here daily often defending Republicans who support Trump from criticism by a poster here,yet you would get piased off at some random person who defends Trump?
That weird.
As for me being a hypocrite?After reading these numerous posts by you today,many self contradictory, obfuscatory to the nth degree and whiney(you need me to defend you from big bad Scott and Keith (whoooo,) I proudly accept the label as it is essentially meaningless.
Now off to the Elk Lodge for a bar b que dinner , several beers, and probably a poke or two at a few Trumpites(then again?Maybe it’s all but a “performance?”)
Depends on the merits or the truth in the arguments presented against the Republicans mentioned.
And just because I may disagree with someone or they may piss me off doesn’t mean I should think they are a horrible person or automatically a bigot, etc.
I still do not see though how anything I type here is someone an excuse for anything related to Trump. There’s always an effort to try to someone “tie” me to Trump, which is ridiculous.
is it along the lines of being glad that Kavanaugh is going to the Supreme Court? Well, guilty as charged. That’s how the system works.
It’s good that Democrats like George Will now.
I remember 20 years ago, when incumbent Illinois Senator Carol Moseley-Braun publicly referred to Will as Klansman during her unsuccessful bid for reelection.
Carol Braun?!!
Really?
Don’t you have work to do?
You didn’t back her?
I mean at least after Harold died and Fast Eddie left the party (temporarily?)
Somehow, I find it hard to imagine that you wrote a eheck to Peter Fitzgerald.
Ah yes crazy talking Carol Mosley Braun who got nowhere the Democratic nomination 14 yrs ago. Let’s talk about her instead of the madman the Republicans nominated, elected and steadfastly support as President–today!!
She got nowhere near the nomination, but had Barack Obama on the ballot as one of her delegates.
She was thinking about running for the Senate again in 2004 that year but the polls showed she had no chance, so she launched a vanity run for President.
Had she run for Senate instead, Obama would not have run and who knows where Obama would be today.. (perhaps a former Governor of IL or current Mayor of Chicago, but probably not President)
What if, what if.
What if Republicans like Mitt Romney didn’t smile and accept Trump’s support and called the birther out for tgevracist he is he wouldn’t be President now
I don’t think it had any effect on the Nevada primary or general election.
CG liked that.,but I was labeled a “hypocrite “by him because I said I was going to vote for a minor statewide official who was running on the Republican ticket because she supported Trump in 2016.
Mitt gladly accepts Trumps endorsement (obviously because he knew it would help him with Trump voters) and CG sees that as a clever move.
You aren’t a hypocrite for voting for them. You are a hypocrite if you suggest that anybody else who votes for a Republican for any reason is wrong. If you get to do it, they get to as well, including me.
It does appear though that I have a lower “Trump support threshold” than you do. That’s fine.
Are we talking Trump’s endorsement of Romney in 2016? That was a long time ago. What we know is that Trump has now twice endorsed Romney for different offices and Romney has never endorsed Trump. Romney very recently called Trump a disgrace. He is correct.
I didn’t suggest any such thing.
You labeled me a hypocrite for voting for aRepublican who said she supported Trump.
As for Romney,he “thanked” Trump for his support in his present race.Apparently he has no problem with accepting support from those he views as a”disgrace.”
That appears to be ok with you.
Maybe you should “re-examine”those you label “hypocrite?”
If you are admitting that you and I have the same standard, you need to accept that Keith and Scott and whomever are attacking you for voting for Republicans when they attack me too, (which of course you remain silent about) and you also had a ridiculous definition of what it means for me to “support” a candidate. The definition fit you more than it did me as it relates to Trump backers.
As for Romney, yes, he is a gracious person (maybe to a fault) that perhaps comes from all his experience in his Church, where they are very nice, polite people (except for Harry Reid). so he got Trump’s endorsement and the label of “straight shooter” and he is still free to speak out when he thinks Trump has disgraced his office.
If Romney wanted to go on national tv and use some four letter words to describe Trump, I would applaud, but it wouldn’t be in keeping with his character.
What?You need me to “defend” you?
You’re joking right.
And of course you’re trying to deflect.
Nope,under your standard, Romney is a hypocrite and Wrong.
He should have rejected Trump support because he is a”disgrace.”
The rest of that cow manure about him being “gracious” and all that other twat is irrelevant to the point.
He’s Wrong about this.
Right?
I don’t *need* you to, but sometimes, doing the right thing is worth it on its own. I’ve defended you in the past from “The Dog” and I know you didn’t *need* me too either.
When Keith and Scott say that any vote under any circumstance for a Republican is unacceptable, and that ALL must be defeated, simply for having the R next to their name, they never realized for a moment that you might be planning to vote for conservative Republicans this November. So, let’s just have it all out in the open at least amongst ourselves.
There was no reason for Romney to reject Trump’s Senate endorsement. It doesn’t seem like it was sought in the first place and there was no joint appearance or anything surrounding it. Trump simply Tweeted, and Mitt, as a nice person, said “thanks”, which is what any politician should say to someone who says they would vote for them.
Trump endorsed Romney. Romney does not endorse Trump. That makes what Romney has to say about Trump even more valuable down the road.
I did.
I posted here that I intended to vote for a couple of Republicans.
If I hadn’t,How would you have known?
I presume the other posters read it too.
It’s been out in the “open” as you say.
Your post is Nonsensical.
Extra crazy conversation today.
Clearly don’t know how difficult it is to connect the political dots. Trump is President, the Republicans in Congress support Trump, and, if you want to stop Trump from being Trump you need to vote for a Democrat.
Pretty easy to understand, right?
So, for anyone who professes to oppose Trump to continue to support this asshole’s enablers is beyond me.
All of the obfuscating today notwithstanding there are some known facts. All of the people that contribute to this blog have obviously voted for a Republican at one point in their lifetime, except one.
Our friend Corey has never, by his own admission, ever voted for a Democrat for a Federal or statewide office. Not one.
People want to put a brake on Trump, and Corey professes to hate him, but he won’t, by his own admission, vote for a Democrat to help stop Trump.
And, at the end of the day, isn’t that what it is all about?
You either love America and want to save it from a Trump Administration or you don’t.
Oh, and they weren’t serving soup tonight. Only finger food and really good wine, and I would never piss in the wine.
I guess our friend has typed himself into a corner, time to claim he’ll be busy for the rest of the afternoon.
And I will be, gym and then charity (cancer) fundraiser at the neighbor’s winery.
Have a great day everyone!
Try not to piss in anyone’s soup Keith, even if they are Republicans.
My position is very consistent. People should not be attacked (including jack) simply because they prefer Republicans over Democrats. They should be criticized if they defend Trump on the matters in which there is no defense for Trump.
I think I am more stubborn and have more of an anti-Trump grudge though than jack, despite what he wanted us to believe here all along. It’s kind of funny. If most of his peers there voted for Trump happily, he has to find a way to not hate them I suppose. Personally, I know very few people who actually voted for Trump and associate with almost nobody who was glad to vote for him.
Notice the subtlety here.
He doesn’t associate with anyone who was “glad” to vote for Trump.
In other words he freely associates with anyone he wants because ,in a view he has expressed here many times,most Republicans weren’t “glad” to vote for Trump but felt they “had” to because of the damn “libruls.”(CG himself once expressed the view that due to Scott and my criticism of it,he had to support Trumps s tax cut for the wealthy).
Accordingly this whole chimera he has projected that he doesn’t “associate” with his fellow Republicans is pure bunk.
He freely “associates” with whom he wants ,supports whom he wants and their support of Trump concerns him not in the least.After all they weren’t “glad” to do it.
Take his hero,Mitt Romney,After calling Trump a “disgrace” (CG calls him “scum”) and claiming hi didn’t want Trumps s support,when offered?He accepted it.Obvious hypocrisy of course, but I guess since he didn’t do it “gladly?” It’s acceptable.
When anyone else “associates” with anyone who supports Trump?Then CG will “analyze” that support and declare if such is “acceptable.”
Really you cant make this cow manure up.
The “subtlety” is that I do not know whom everyone I associated with voted for. Politics is not something I discuss with anyone.
Among those whom I do know how they voted, very few voted for Trump. They either already were Democrats (yes, I can be friends with Democrats), people who voted for Hillary just because of Trump, as well as many others like me who did not vote for either major party candidate.
jack is just trying to come to terms with the double standard of what he demands on here and how he acts in Charleston and Zreebs remains an extremist if he thinks there is an ounce of credibility to the claim that George H.W. Bush committed sexual assault.
*everyone*
Since you have no knowledge of what I discuss or don’t discuss in Charleston ,your statement is nothing more than mindless speculation.(a common trait of yours that all here are used to).
You’re the one who wrote that you”associate with almost no one who gladly voted for” Trump.Certainly that implies that you have some knowledge of their voting and whether said ballot was cast “gladly.”
Also, what do we know of your “associates” in Illinois?Maybe I will engage in some “mindless speculation.”
Methinks you are far less verbally disapproving of Trump supporters there than you are here.
See anyone can play this “game.”
I have a couple of friends who said they voted for Trump, not that they liked him, but because of Hillary. I have said that I did not think that was a good enough reason. That’s it. I don’t associate with anyone who is #MAGA. Most people, around my age, where I live, would be unlikely to have those views, whereas, your age and where you live, means that a lot more people probably feel that way. I actually argue with my father about Trump all the time (though he says he didn’t vote for him) because somehow he buys into all the pro-Trump talking points he sees on Facebook now that he is retired. He’s somebody who grew up in a staunchly Democrat family and who has never really been that into politics, who buys into this stuff, so that at least partly explains the appeal of Trump to low-info non traditional Republicans.
Among the Democrats I know at work and elsewhere and discuss politics with, I am just as insulting of Trump as I am with the Democrats here.
I don’t know why this is so hard for you to understand, except that you feel self-conscious about all you attempted guilt by association against me.
You’re the one who engaged in mindless speculation about me and what I do off this board.
I was just pointing out that anybody can play that game and a game it is.
Frankly CG, I don’t give a damn who you talk to in your life away from here, what you do, or anything else.p connected with it.
This is nothing but a little political blog where five or six of us gather to mouth off a little.
Your insistence on acting as if this is a major part of our lives and dredging up matters from thirty years ago about one poster or ,even with a large degree of pseudo psycho babble ,about how I talk or don’t talk in my everyday life with friends or acquaintances is in my view bizarre.
I consider it “mindful speculation” and you do the same thing of course.
No, not a major part of anyone’s life, even though you seem to make a dramatic announcement every week about how you might be leaving the blog, but you very much realize that you feel the need to play the “Trump Blame By Association” game with me, for which there is no basis, and then ironically it turns out that you are voting for pro-Trump Republicans yourself. So, sorry that you painted yourself into that corner. If you want to play “games”, as you clearly always do, then expect the same thing.
and also perhaps you should consider not being so sensitive.
“Sensitive?”
I simply replied to your post.
If you don’t wish to have people “reply” perhaps you should “consider” not posting.
“Paint myself in a corner?”that’s a famous trick when one has nothing to say.
The truth is this whole thing started ,as I recalled yesterday ,because you were flailing around the other day and were pissed off that me ,among others, were pointing out that ,contrary to your overwrought pronouncement that “most” Republicans had come out against Trump on the Putin deal ,such wasn’t the case.
That’s when you brought up that irrelevant thing about Molly Spearman.However, now you’re have said that it is ok to support Trump supporting Republicans as long as they didn’t support him “gladly” or they accept someone they labeled a “disgrace” because they are “gracious”(I presume I’m not “gracious”,heavens me!)
You are sensitive about being called a hypocrite clearly. I don’t know how else to label it though. The good news though is that now that I know that you support pro-Trump Republicans, and regardless of whether I do or not (which I do not), you can stop being hypocritical and just be honest. There are plenty of things we have to disagree on, but “support for Trump” is not one of them. Neither of us are “pro-Trump” by association or anything else.
As for most Republicans on the Putin thing in Helsinki, I was obviously talking about Congressional Republicans who made public statements.
No, there is no way to survey all the millions of Americans who call themselves Republicans. Who are you kidding? Why would you try to distort that?
Among those who did comment though (and the Politics1 Twitter is a great resource for seeing these things) just about every Republican in Congress stated disagreement (at various levels of rhetoric or disappointment) with what Trump said. As we know, Trump was forced to try to clean up his own remarks the next day, and he basically messed that up too.
I agree the ‘back in the day ‘ stuff is unnecessary….
Amazing. Although I actually consider George H.W. Bush’s grabby hands as the act of an old man who is way past doing anything else other than “grab,” I should point out that when Al Franken was accused of the same thing it was described as a sexual assault by our friend Corey.
The Bush stories have been corroborated by more than one woman. Interesting that our friend would be selectively outraged and that outrage would only be directed at Democrats. But, his dismissal of the Gym Jordan story says it all.
However, several times today Corey has talked about “most” Republicans and how they don’t always go along with Trump.
Besides the usual gang of five (McCain, Sasse, Flake, Corker, and Ms. Lindsay) please name others.
We are back to square one after all of the “whataboutism” deflections of a universal fact. The Republican Party is owned by Donald Trump. And the only way to fight back against Trump is to vote for Democrats this November.
Well at least GHWB apologized for the assault, something Corey still defends. It wasn’t just the action of an old innocent man because if it was, then GHWB wouldn’t have tried to hide it. Because he always tried to make sure no one saw him, GHWB knew what he was doing was wrong. Being in a wheelchair (which was the pathetic excuse Corey gave) is remarkable stupid and indefensible. And by the way, GHWB started doing this before he was in a wheelchair.
Here are the woman who accused GHWB of sexual assault, and if I recall, most were Republican.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/who-accused-george-h-w-bush-sexual-harassment-2017-11
According to the Department of Justice, the definition of “sexual assault” is any unwanted sexual touching or behaviors.
So how is it that one is an extremist if he believes these women? And why believe the fewer women who accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault?
It’s totally ridiculous.
The situation that happened when there were mishaps when he was taking photographs in a wheelchair and for which he apologized do not rise to that level in the opinion of just about everyone. Nobody ever claimed this sort of behavior until the actress last year.
Those who accused him long ago are also shown on their social media to be huge Donald Trump fans who have accused the Clintons of various things too, including “Pizzagate.” It should not be misunderstood how much these Trump fanatics hate the Bushes, the Clintons, Obama, or anyone in the “Deep State ” and Clueless Zreebs thinks they are credible..
Well since Bush already apologized for the assault, he essentially admitted he did it. But no one here cares that you look like a fool.
Bush I is how old?
People need to leave the guy alone….
Question: If Bill Clinton was caught grabbing women by the ass from his wheelchair, would the GOP remain silent?
Probably NOT….
But it would still be kinda silly
James, The reason I brought up the GHWB assault was to provide an example of CG’s hypocracy. If you can’t follow the conversation or are confused, please don’t respond. Thanks.
If someone believes EVERTHING Trump says?
They too have entered an Alternate Universe
Posts coming up in about 45 minutes…..🤔
So Corey doesn’t associate with Trump supporters, but if is hard for me to imagine him associating with Democrats either – other than family. There is no one I know of who defended GHWB’s sexual assaults more than him, yet he was the first person I know of who demanded the resignation of Al Franken. He fiercely defends Jordan for his inaction over sexual assaults of the college students, claiming athletes getting fondled was nothing more thsn a joke to them.
So if he wants to accuse others of being hypocrites, he should first look in the mirror at the biggest hypocrite on this board – with the possible exception of James.
Cute how you added me Z……
Of course EVERYBODY here has a little of the “H” in them….
Goes with being human….
I HAVE tried to get the ole GOPer’s back here to spread the discussion around…
But I guess they don’t want to deal with the heat…..
New ones likewise….
People want to roll with their own party and comfort each other….
Yes – all of us can be a hypocrite at times – often without recognizing it. You, especially.