This is my main issue with the guy….
Bedsides him not actually being a Democrat?
His ‘Single-Payer’ idea would be impossible to pay for….
The bill on this might not be correct….
But it points to a problem that Sanders has…
A new study from the Mercatus Center, a libertarian policy center at George Mason University, projects that progressive Democrats’ “Medicare for All” plan would cost the government $32.6 trillion over 10 years.
Why it matters: The study concludes that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not be enough to cover the added costs of the plan.
James, Please explain your theory as to why most developed countries can afford the equivalent of “Medicare for all”, but the US can’t.
Simple….
They have HAD the system…
We would have to institute the system from ground up….
Now since the Republicans TRIED to repeal Obamacare and made it MORE popular?
HTF could we start a brand new system that would COMPLETELY change the way this country does healthcare?
Do you think for one moment Z that the rich people that Republicans listen to are gonna dumb down their health insurance choices to help the poor?
America IS a land of choice….
Sanders system would erase that…
At a cost NO ONE, even Democrats, would accept….
It’s NOT gonna happen…..
It is the status quo that is unacceptable – high costs and inadequate coverage.
Be that the case Z?
U just got one program
There is NO CHANCE for a New one at the cosr is projected to approach
That is the gross cost. The net cost is what really counts. And You don’t recognize the additional cost in our current system of having each provider with their own forms and other inefficiencies. And as someone who is older, you should recognize that your out-of-pocket medical costs can be enormous.
The ACA may be popular now, but it is unstable – especially with GOP actions intended to destabilize it.
Z?
WTF is gonna try for a NEW. Healthcare system NOW after Obamacare has just got accepted?
Congress has short term goals
What ‘net’ number is gonna counter the media having theses people vote on something that cost in the TRULLIONS. And the government is gonna tell you which doctor you HAVE TO USE?
Reality Check Z?
His idea is JUST NOT gonna get anywhere
Well hopefully you won’t need major surgery.
The country is not ready for a single payer system either today or 2020, but it eill never be ready for it if no one talks about it.
I have more to say but you wouldn’t Understand it. I genuinely wish you good luck in your future health.
I have more to say but you wouldn’t understand it…”
Zreebs
And truer words were never spoken.
Thanks Jack
We wouldn’t want you to miss a chance to compliment me!
I have insurance
And i’m Old enough to be covered by a program the Republicans would probably get rid of it they could….
No one says you shouldn’t talk about any system you want
But we’re not politically naive here….
We ALL know the chances for Sanders program are slim to none….
The UK did not have the system before 1947, and Canada did not have the system before the 1960’s (it started in Saskatchewan).
Like the U.S. today (or before the ACA), they had a patchwork of private, voluntary (non-profit), employment-based and very limited government programmes. I don’t have the gnarly details (both David Lloyd George and Neville Chamberlain had a hand in expanding and improving British social insurance and public health before and after World War I), but the British and Canadian Medical Associations put up just as vigorous and contentious fight against single-payer universal national health insurance as the opponents of the Affordable Care Act put up more recently. (In 1962, Saskatchewan’s doctors, many of them self-exiled from the British National Health Service, launched a brief but earnest strike against the implementation of the pioneer plan by the provincial government of Tommy Douglas’ Co-operative Commonwealth Federation [New Democratic Party].)
Thank you DSD
SO?
The systems ARE DECADES old?
They are accepted?
Because they are ALL most the people in those countries know
They where changed when you COULD change things more readily then now….
Single-Payer has NO CHANCE in this country no matter how good it maybe in theory
Sez who?
Me…..
And the American Congress will give the same answer for the several reasons I gave here today….
And May I add?
Republicans are NEVER gonna but into a grandiose Social program BIGGER times a hundred of Obamacare that would be called Sanders care….
You guys gotta give this dream up…
There is NO CHANCE for something like this
And you guys KNOW THIS
And what have you learned from making predictions with certainty in which you turned out to be wrong?
Come on Z?
What do YOU Think the odds of Single-Payer getting enacted are?
I’ll ask DSD and ‘of course Jack’s right’ the same question
Odds of of Sanders dream becoming a law?
The fact that some posters occasionally agree with me drives you to distraction doesn’t it?
Pathetic
As to your “question?”This is like the twentieth or so time we have discussed this issue and I will give the same answer I have given each time.
I regard Obamacare as unsustainable long term.(I don’t “oppose” it, a lie you unsurprisingly continue to tell).Eventually, and this is not an unusual view by any means ,the country will adopt a single payer type program.What it will look like,I’m not sure and the exact time frame I don’t know.
A guess ,and that’s all it is would be ,is over the next ten to fifteen years or so.
Likely some of us here,including myself, might not be around to see it.
Yes
You have had doubts about the ACA since day one…..
But the program IS STILL here and parts of it have grown …..
So this is one ya didn’t get right…
As you would say?
I don’t give my point of view to get applause here
I get agreement when I can
Even from you occasionally
I am waiting for people here to give their view on the percentage of a chance single -payer has of becoming the basic OVERALL America healthcare program..
I haven’t gotten one person to DISAGREE with my view of its chances ….
Odds of a single payer system in 30 years? 70%
You get recognition for the joke of the night Z!
James would have laughed @ Thurgood Marshall in the 1940s.
Not comparing Zreebs to Marshall,only making the salient point that big ideas often take years to come to fruition.
Of course, he doesn’t understand things like that and such is hilarious coming from one who insists that others can’t see “greys.”
Finally the likes of James calling anyone else here a “joke?”
Well there truly is only one response to that…
Hahaha!
Jack?
I’d say you only eat one meal at a time….
ACA is still being digested….
I see that NO ONE here actually disagrees with me that a Single-Payer system has a chance of enactment….
Dancing doesn’t get it…..
Here is what will happen..
The 2020 Democrat nominee, whomever she or he may be, will be running on a party platform of “Medicare for All.”
While we can agree it is unlikely to be implemented anytime soon, the debate is over in the party and Sanders has won. Democrats support European style Single Payer.